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Uhuru versus Raila 2017
Tokyo
#2381 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 10:59:33 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
The secession card being pulled for Raila by Ndii and Orengo is not workable as there is now much more fear Mwathathe COGS may rain bullets on them and only a few will be in a position to seek assylum as the borders may remain closed as from 26/10/2017 by the Military.
The Military will not sit and wait chaos to erupt, they will guard Kenya in and out.
Raila should not allow his Sentries to come up with unworkable things just to show him they are working for him to be what he dreams to be.
The Nation is bigger than anyone....(George Kinuthia Saitoti)

Kenyans can express freely by either voting or staying away but not limiting each other as each has a right to make decision.

So many "birds of Prey" watching on Nasa Leaders and only history will tell.
Good example is to read what Bisygje of Uganda and Tsvangarai of Zimbabwe have never accomplished

Raila is alienating a community that has also been alienated in South Sudan.
This is a big Danger!!!


Who will decide borders of the new sovereign state?
work to prosper
washiku
#2382 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 11:46:57 AM
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Posts: 13,095
Tokyo wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The secession card being pulled for Raila by Ndii and Orengo is not workable as there is now much more fear Mwathathe COGS may rain bullets on them and only a few will be in a position to seek assylum as the borders may remain closed as from 26/10/2017 by the Military.
The Military will not sit and wait chaos to erupt, they will guard Kenya in and out.
Raila should not allow his Sentries to come up with unworkable things just to show him they are working for him to be what he dreams to be.
The Nation is bigger than anyone....(George Kinuthia Saitoti)

Kenyans can express freely by either voting or staying away but not limiting each other as each has a right to make decision.

So many "birds of Prey" watching on Nasa Leaders and only history will tell.
Good example is to read what Bisygje of Uganda and Tsvangarai of Zimbabwe have never accomplished

Raila is alienating a community that has also been alienated in South Sudan.
This is a big Danger!!!


Who will decide borders of the new sovereign state?


IEBC....B stands for Boundaries you know
Tokyo
#2383 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 12:17:46 PM
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Joined: 10/9/2006
Posts: 1,502
washiku wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The secession card being pulled for Raila by Ndii and Orengo is not workable as there is now much more fear Mwathathe COGS may rain bullets on them and only a few will be in a position to seek assylum as the borders may remain closed as from 26/10/2017 by the Military.
The Military will not sit and wait chaos to erupt, they will guard Kenya in and out.
Raila should not allow his Sentries to come up with unworkable things just to show him they are working for him to be what he dreams to be.
The Nation is bigger than anyone....(George Kinuthia Saitoti)

Kenyans can express freely by either voting or staying away but not limiting each other as each has a right to make decision.

So many "birds of Prey" watching on Nasa Leaders and only history will tell.
Good example is to read what Bisygje of Uganda and Tsvangarai of Zimbabwe have never accomplished

Raila is alienating a community that has also been alienated in South Sudan.
This is a big Danger!!!


Who will decide borders of the new sovereign state?


IEBC....B stands for Boundaries you know


Fiction is different from reality. Where will Kuria community show their allegiance? Luo Nyanza Republic or Kenya 🇰🇪?
work to prosper
Tokyo
#2384 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 12:22:30 PM
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washiku wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The secession card being pulled for Raila by Ndii and Orengo is not workable as there is now much more fear Mwathathe COGS may rain bullets on them and only a few will be in a position to seek assylum as the borders may remain closed as from 26/10/2017 by the Military.
The Military will not sit and wait chaos to erupt, they will guard Kenya in and out.
Raila should not allow his Sentries to come up with unworkable things just to show him they are working for him to be what he dreams to be.
The Nation is bigger than anyone....(George Kinuthia Saitoti)

Kenyans can express freely by either voting or staying away but not limiting each other as each has a right to make decision.

So many "birds of Prey" watching on Nasa Leaders and only history will tell.
Good example is to read what Bisygje of Uganda and Tsvangarai of Zimbabwe have never accomplished

Raila is alienating a community that has also been alienated in South Sudan.
This is a big Danger!!!


Who will decide borders of the new sovereign state?


IEBC....B stands for Boundaries you know


Those are ward/constituencies boundaries. County or Country’s boundaries is beyond their mandates constitutionally.
work to prosper
kaka2za
#2385 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 12:37:38 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,057
Location: Gwitu
Tokyo wrote:
washiku wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The secession card being pulled for Raila by Ndii and Orengo is not workable as there is now much more fear Mwathathe COGS may rain bullets on them and only a few will be in a position to seek assylum as the borders may remain closed as from 26/10/2017 by the Military.
The Military will not sit and wait chaos to erupt, they will guard Kenya in and out.
Raila should not allow his Sentries to come up with unworkable things just to show him they are working for him to be what he dreams to be.
The Nation is bigger than anyone....(George Kinuthia Saitoti)

Kenyans can express freely by either voting or staying away but not limiting each other as each has a right to make decision.

So many "birds of Prey" watching on Nasa Leaders and only history will tell.
Good example is to read what Bisygje of Uganda and Tsvangarai of Zimbabwe have never accomplished

Raila is alienating a community that has also been alienated in South Sudan.
This is a big Danger!!!


Who will decide borders of the new sovereign state?


IEBC....B stands for Boundaries you know


Those are ward/constituencies boundaries. County or Country’s boundaries is beyond their mandates constitutionally.


What is the hullabaloo about secession?? I declared myself the President of the Independent state of My bedroom many years ago!
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
washiku
#2386 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 12:59:04 PM
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quicksand
#2387 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 1:33:14 PM
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washiku wrote:
Watu waende nyumbani kupiga kuraLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly




Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Ala,...is this just a joke ama someone is seriously sponsoring?
So hard to tell what is real out there these days ...
harrydre
#2388 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 1:53:48 PM
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quicksand
#2389 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 2:24:54 PM
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I don't think addressing the guy like this works. In verbal sparring and public spats these guys have phds..kwanza a guy like Babu Owino has honed this to a science due to the 20 years (?) he spent as an undergraduate student.
I would never respond, just put them under investigation and sue mercilessly, no deals, no horse trading...to the end till someone is in jail for criminal incitement or goes bankrupt from all the defence legal fees.
Nothing slaps sense into a man like an empty wallet.
Or at least make one example. Just one politician jailed and all this slanderous talk and hate speech would disappear overnight...from whichever side, Jubilee or Nasa.
Bigchick
#2390 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 2:40:08 PM
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quicksand wrote:


I don't think addressing the guy like this works. In verbal sparring and public spats these guys have phds..kwanza a guy like Babu Owino has honed this to a science due to the 20 years (?) he spent as an undergraduate student.
I would never respond, just put them under investigation and sue mercilessly, no deals, no horse trading...to the end till someone is in jail for criminal incitement or goes bankrupt from all the defence legal fees.
Nothing slaps sense into a man like an empty wallet.
Or at least make one example. Just one politician jailed and all this slanderous talk and hate speech would disappear overnight...from whichever side, Jubilee or Nasa.


Well.....different strokes for different people at different times.
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Njung'e
#2391 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 2:49:47 PM
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The call by Raila for protests on voting day, to me, is a call to violence. Lemme ask, if the likes of Babu go ahead and visit violence on Jubilee supporters in Nairobi who will be going to vote, what will stop retaliations? I actually foresee trouble in such areas as Kikuyu,Thika Limuru,Naivasha, Gilgil, Nakuru, Kericho, Nandi hills and Eldoret......SAD but i can't see how it will be avoided.Pray Pray
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Iganamagana
#2392 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 2:54:09 PM
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Njung'e wrote:


The call by Raila for protests on voting day, to me, is a call to violence. Lemme ask, if the likes of Babu go ahead and visit violence on Jubilee supporters in Nairobi who will be going to vote, what will stop retaliations? I actually foresee trouble in such areas as Kikuyu,Thika Limuru,Naivasha, Gilgil, Nakuru, Kericho, Nandi hills and Eldoret......SAD but i can't see how it will be avoided.Pray Pray


That's what he is hoping for. Please don't let it happen.
murchr
#2393 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 5:24:36 PM
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Applause



Kenya's constitution is supreme. No one should take away the right for the other to vote, no one should take away the others right to demonstrate or stay off the poll.

Jonalists in Kenya are bure. How can you question someone on views expressed in another newspaper just because its foreign.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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washiku
#2394 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 5:30:20 PM
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Njung'e
#2395 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 5:43:46 PM
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Election materials distributed in Kisii as babu campaigns there. He fliflops again and now asks the residents to stay away.....that's better i guess.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
2012
#2396 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 5:53:20 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
The secession card being pulled for Raila by Ndii and Orengo is not workable as there is now much more fear Mwathathe COGS may rain bullets on them and only a few will be in a position to seek assylum as the borders may remain closed as from 26/10/2017 by the Military.
The Military will not sit and wait chaos to erupt, they will guard Kenya in and out.
Raila should not allow his Sentries to come up with unworkable things just to show him they are working for him to be what he dreams to be.
The Nation is bigger than anyone....(George Kinuthia Saitoti)

Kenyans can express freely by either voting or staying away but not limiting each other as each has a right to make decision.

So many "birds of Prey" watching on Nasa Leaders and only history will tell.
Good example is to read what Bisygje of Uganda and Tsvangarai of Zimbabwe have never accomplished

Raila is alienating a community that has also been alienated in South Sudan.
This is a big Danger!!!



It's more complex than they think. For example, the Turkanas with their oil do not want to be in camp Raila, they'd rather go it on their own because they have the resources and don't need to be dictated upon by the Luos and Kambas on what to do. So what happens now that their oil was to be baba's resource of income and bargaining chip?

BBI will solve it
:)
innairobi
#2397 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 6:23:14 PM
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there're only two options for secession: referendum or war. for the former, it's hard to get the majority to agree. on the latter, you need people ready to lay down their lives for their leader in this case raila odinga. so the question becomes, which regions of kenya have an overwhelming majority of people not just supporting mr. odinga but also ready to pick up guns for him? the answer to that question is why secession is very unlikely.

there are two other considerations. one, the international community wont recognize a war-driven secession and if they do it will be after decades. two, majority of nasa leaders have the bulk of their wealth in nairobi. nobody is going to risk that by forfeiting kenyan citizenship.

kumbuka, nairobi success for somalis is majorly why north eastern calls for secession died a natural death. no nairobi-born somali will want to leave the comforts of nairobi and go to start afresh in mandera.
All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
Ryko
#2398 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 6:30:09 PM
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Baba is intelligent
I work so I can afford the amount of alcohol required to continue going to work
harrydre
#2399 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 6:30:30 PM
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2012 wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The secession card being pulled for Raila by Ndii and Orengo is not workable as there is now much more fear Mwathathe COGS may rain bullets on them and only a few will be in a position to seek assylum as the borders may remain closed as from 26/10/2017 by the Military.
The Military will not sit and wait chaos to erupt, they will guard Kenya in and out.
Raila should not allow his Sentries to come up with unworkable things just to show him they are working for him to be what he dreams to be.
The Nation is bigger than anyone....(George Kinuthia Saitoti)

Kenyans can express freely by either voting or staying away but not limiting each other as each has a right to make decision.

So many "birds of Prey" watching on Nasa Leaders and only history will tell.
Good example is to read what Bisygje of Uganda and Tsvangarai of Zimbabwe have never accomplished

Raila is alienating a community that has also been alienated in South Sudan.
This is a big Danger!!!



It's more complex than they think. For example, the Turkanas with their oil do not want to be in camp Raila, they'd rather go it on their own because they have the resources and don't need to be dictated upon by the Luos and Kambas on what to do. So what happens now that their oil was to be baba's resource of income and bargaining chip?


Now, the oil companies have said the oil is not commercially viable. Sooner or later they are closing shop. This is from a friend who works for one of them. He is polishing his CV right now...
i.am.back!!!!
Dahatre
#2400 Posted : Monday, October 23, 2017 7:20:10 PM
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