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This is what we are saying. Much as Kenya is a democracy with majoritarian rule, we have a significant portion of the populace who support NASA, and indeed feel bitter that ‘they have never been able to capture state power since independence’ and that their man and only hope, is not making headway in this game in his ultimate or near ultimate contest. For these people to feel at home, to have dignity and sense of national pride, we need their leader to be in a position where he can present their grievances formally, not through the streets. Much as I don’t like his ways, I believe Rao should be leader of majority either in NA or Senate, with Kalonzo holding same position in the other house. Yes he has caused us to stagnate, brought us to the precipice a number of times, but there are large number of people who believe he is a well meaning person. If you ignore their views, their anger will tend to manifest in other ways. You will keep hearing about Session. And even if it was just for the sake of national security, it is too dangerous to have someone like Rao just out there ‘idle’. Remember good old practice, whereby when military generals retire, they are given some light duties to keep them busy. Otherwise Govt will spend next 5 years trying to contain him, and will be too distracted to focus on core business – building the nation. In deed this has been the case last 20 years…our politics have been dominated by raila phobia and raila mania, at the expense of development. Kibaki and Uhuru have spent nearly 50% of their time in power trying to manage/deal with these phobias at the expense of development. Even Nzamba the man who delivered our Constitution believes it was a mistake to leave out the PORK runners up out there in the cold. We don’t need a referendum to do this. Parliament only need to change section 90 of the constitution.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Beyond-IEBC--What-options-for-Kenya--/1056-4149152-kvksb2z/index.html
This is what we are saying. Much as Kenya is a democracy with majoritarian rule, we have a significant portion of the populace who support NASA, and indeed feel bitter that ‘they have never been able to capture state power since independence’ and that their man and only hope, is not making headway in this game in his ultimate or near ultimate contest. For these people to feel at home, to have dignity and sense of national pride, we need their leader to be in a position where he can present their grievances formally, not through the streets. Much as I don’t like his ways, I believe Rao should be leader of majority either in NA or Senate, with Kalonzo holding same position in the other house.
Yes he has caused us to stagnate, brought us to the precipice a number of times, but there are large number of people who believe he is a well meaning person. If you ignore their views, their anger will tend to manifest in other ways. You will keep hearing about Session.
And even if it was just for the sake of national security, it is too dangerous to have someone like Rao just out there ‘idle’. Remember good old practice, whereby when military generals retire, they are given some light duties to keep them busy. Otherwise Govt will spend next 5 years trying to contain him, and will be too distracted to focus on core business – building the nation. In deed this has been the case last 20 years…our politics have been dominated by raila phobia and raila mania, at the expense of development. Kibaki and Uhuru have spent nearly 50% of their time in power trying to manage/deal with these phobias at the expense of development.
Even Nzamba the man who delivered our Constitution believes it was a mistake to leave out the PORK runners up out there in the cold.
We don’t need a referendum to do this. Parliament only need to change section 90 of the constitution.
All politics is about sharing power. But to make the sharing of power among a few individuals is the big mistake that we are making. Wanjiku needs some real power too. So far, we know the vote is a lie. So we must go beyond voting rights.
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tycho wrote:All politics is about sharing power. But to make the sharing of power among a few individuals is the big mistake that we are making. Wanjiku needs some real power too. So far, we know the vote is a lie. So we must go beyond voting rights. Yes, that reality was coldly served on 1 Sep 2017: numbers don't matter movement I care!
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thuks wrote:tycho wrote:All politics is about sharing power. But to make the sharing of power among a few individuals is the big mistake that we are making. Wanjiku needs some real power too. So far, we know the vote is a lie. So we must go beyond voting rights. Yes, that reality was coldly served on 1 Sep 2017: numbers don't matter movement The constitution shared power with 47 governors. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:thuks wrote:tycho wrote:All politics is about sharing power. But to make the sharing of power among a few individuals is the big mistake that we are making. Wanjiku needs some real power too. So far, we know the vote is a lie. So we must go beyond voting rights. Yes, that reality was coldly served on 1 Sep 2017: numbers don't matter movement The constitution shared power with 47 governors. Kenya has 47m people and with a rate of arround 1m new entrants per year. Yet, no county can sustain itself without aid from the central government. That by itself kills all reality of devolved power.
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While I think this conversation is a complete waste of time... What ails us is that we think others are having fun out there and that our "differences" are unique to us. Majority of the countries have "ethnic issues". Secondly, we just need a proper source of money - we are a poor corrupt 3rd world country. We just need a country/people to exploit and f*ck over to get rich quickly All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:tycho wrote:All politics is about sharing power. But to make the sharing of power among a few individuals is the big mistake that we are making. Wanjiku needs some real power too. So far, we know the vote is a lie. So we must go beyond voting rights. Yes, that reality was coldly served on 1 Sep 2017: numbers don't matter movement The constitution shared power with 47 governors. Kenya has 47m people and with a rate of arround 1m new entrants per year. Yet, no county can sustain itself without aid from the central government. That by itself kills all reality of devolved power. The devolved govts should foster to being self sufficient, it may never happen entirely but a bigger % of their budget should be self funded, and decisions self determined. Even the states in the US have a % of their funding coming from the Federal govt. As Masukush says, this conversation is pointless but as far as power sharing is concerned the governor who has got it right is Nanok and to some extend Mutua, the others are suffering from what Chebukati is suffering from, not realizing the power bestowed unto them. By the way, Amazon intends to build a 2nd headquarters, all governors should have noted how the states went on bidding to host it. Will we ever see counties bidding to host companies? Bragging about infrastructure and all amenities to a good life? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:tycho wrote:All politics is about sharing power. But to make the sharing of power among a few individuals is the big mistake that we are making. Wanjiku needs some real power too. So far, we know the vote is a lie. So we must go beyond voting rights. Yes, that reality was coldly served on 1 Sep 2017: numbers don't matter movement The constitution shared power with 47 governors. Kenya has 47m people and with a rate of arround 1m new entrants per year. Yet, no county can sustain itself without aid from the central government. That by itself kills all reality of devolved power. The devolved govts should foster to being self sufficient, it may never happen entirely but a bigger % of their budget should be self funded, and decisions self determined. Even the states in the US have a % of their funding coming from the Federal govt. As Masukush says, this conversation is pointless but as far as power sharing is concerned the governor who has got it right is Nanok and to some extend Mutua, the others are suffering from what Chebukati is suffering from, not realizing the power bestowed unto them. By the way, Amazon intends to build a 2nd headquarters, all governors should have noted how the states went on bidding to host it. Will we ever see counties bidding to host companies? Bragging about infrastructure and all amenities to a good life? That's the ideal case. But America has been independent for 200+ yrs. They are a wealthy country but they have their dark side as well e.g race issues, crime, etc. so there is no perfect society. What we are trying to do is look at our situation and see what works. Right from independence, we started partially on the wrong foot as far as inclusivity is concerned. indeed, 2007 PEV came about after a period of impressive economic growth. So, as much as we need to fix the economy side of things, we are still mortals with little failings.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:tycho wrote:All politics is about sharing power. But to make the sharing of power among a few individuals is the big mistake that we are making. Wanjiku needs some real power too. So far, we know the vote is a lie. So we must go beyond voting rights. Yes, that reality was coldly served on 1 Sep 2017: numbers don't matter movement The constitution shared power with 47 governors. Kenya has 47m people and with a rate of arround 1m new entrants per year. Yet, no county can sustain itself without aid from the central government. That by itself kills all reality of devolved power. The devolved govts should foster to being self sufficient, it may never happen entirely but a bigger % of their budget should be self funded, and decisions self determined. Even the states in the US have a % of their funding coming from the Federal govt. As Masukush says, this conversation is pointless but as far as power sharing is concerned the governor who has got it right is Nanok and to some extend Mutua, the others are suffering from what Chebukati is suffering from, not realizing the power bestowed unto them. By the way, Amazon intends to build a 2nd headquarters, all governors should have noted how the states went on bidding to host it. Will we ever see counties bidding to host companies? Bragging about infrastructure and all amenities to a good life? That's the ideal case. But America has been independent for 200+ yrs. They are a wealthy country but they have their dark side as well e.g race issues, crime, etc. so there is no perfect society. What we are trying to do is look at our situation and see what works. Right from independence, we started partially on the wrong foot as far as inclusivity is concerned. indeed, 2007 PEV came about after a period of impressive economic growth. So, as much as we need to fix the economy side of things, we are still mortals with little failings. Why is this a metric for anything? Why is it seem to be synonymous with "growth"? What if you were not "colonized" or colonised others. It's like the more years you have been independent should be comparable to your development All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:While I think this conversation is a complete waste of time...
What ails us is that we think others are having fun out there and that our "differences" are unique to us. Majority of the countries have "ethnic issues". Secondly, we just need a proper source of money - we are a poor corrupt 3rd world country. We just need a country/people to exploit and f*ck over to get rich quickly I agree with you on one thing. We think others are having fun and we're not. I call this primal guilt. Because it's something deeply inherent and ingrained in being human. We don't need to exploit people to be 'better off', because exploitation relies on guilt. I understand that you think this conversation a complete waste of time. It's because of the guilt in you.
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