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RAILA WITHDRAWS from Oct polls; Demands Fresh Elections
limanika
#271 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2017 3:38:54 PM
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I have only 1 question. These leaders from coast n nyanza saying ' there will be no voting in my area' why haven't they been asked to record statements to explain what they mean? How this will be achieved? Or maybe jubilee doesn't have supporters in these areas who have a right to vote?
freiks
#272 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2017 3:55:09 PM
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Raila has always claimed to be the father of democracy, and i can bet on my nyee that he will be remembered to have killed the same in Kenya. All those who fought for the same in Kenya went their own way some lost their empires and we remember them, its time Jakom realizes that he better retire honorably. Grandstanding does not pay in any way.
We have a saying that a warthog knocks a tree with its head so that the kids get food, remains unconscious and when he wakes up all the fruits are finished and he lives on
Life is an endless adventure
harrydre
#273 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2017 6:05:03 PM
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freiks wrote:
Raila has always claimed to be the father of democracy, and i can bet on my nyee that he will be remembered to have killed the same in Kenya. All those who fought for the same in Kenya went their own way some lost their empires and we remember them, its time Jakom realizes that he better retire honorably. Grandstanding does not pay in any way.
We have a saying that a warthog knocks a tree with its head so that the kids get food, remains unconscious and when he wakes up all the fruits are finished and he lives on


People are tired. Today Kamukunji rally was empty.

i.am.back!!!!
innairobi
#274 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2017 7:06:04 PM
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Kenya’s Odinga says political crisis has ignited secession debate

Kenya’s veteran opposition leader has warned that a political crisis triggered by a disputed presidential poll and years of “ethnic discrimination” have stirred an unprecedented debate about secession.

In an interview with the Financial Times in London, Raila Odinga said he did not support the secession of western Kenya, where he has strong support among the Luo and Luhya ethnic groups, but “the debate about self-determination is gaining currency”.

“When people become desperate they resort to desperate measures,” he said.

Mr Odinga said that power had for too long been dominated by two communities, the Kikuyu and the Kalenjin, which had provided every president since independence in 1963. Uhuru Kenyatta, the current president, is Kikuyu and his deputy, William Ruto, is a Kalenjin.

The political crisis was triggered after Mr Kenyatta was declared the victor of August elections, defeating Mr Odinga.

Mr Odinga, a Luo, successfully overturned the result of the presidential vote in the supreme court. But he is refusing to participate in a re-run until election procedures are overhauled. Mr Odinga dismissed recent developments in the high court and parliament that could lead to a re-run on October 26 as “inconsequential”.

If the election went ahead without him, he said, “it will be a gross violation of the constitution . . . basically a nullity, null and void”.

Abdikadir Hussein, a government lawyer, said Mr Odinga had boxed himself in by withdrawing. “Raila is blaming everybody and anybody but himself for his loss.”

The stand-off is stirring more protests. Three people were shot dead and others injured on Friday when police opened fire in Bondo town in western Kenya after Mr Odinga’s supporters took to the streets demanding wholesale reform of the electoral commission before a re-run is held.

The political limbo following the election has damaged investor and consumer confidence, causing the economy to slow sharply. More than 30 people were killed, mostly by police, in demonstrations after Mr Kenyatta was declared the winner of the August poll.

John Githongo, a prominent Kenyan activist, said that although there had never been strong secessionist movements in the country, the impasse following the August election had ignited a discussion.

“It is a subject of intense debate. You have demonstrators walking around with flags saying ‘People’s Republic of Kenya’,” Mr Githongo said. “As a debate, I can categorically say this has legs.” But, he added, the debate may not gain political traction because “the big political beasts”, including Mr Odinga, had rejected it.

Last month, two residents of western Kenya lodged a petition at the high court to hold a referendum on national and territorial rights for the area formerly known as the Eastern Province of Uganda and inhabited mostly by Luhya people.

“We believe in a united Kenya. We do not support secession,” said Mr Odinga. “But you have seen the disintegration of countries in eastern Europe. This debate about self-determination is gaining currency as a result of mis-governance. People feel they have been completely disenfranchised.”

David Ndii, a senior adviser to Mr Odinga who in August publicly discussed secession, on Friday said he did not support it. “But we’re clearly in a political environment that could start hurtling downhill and it could go in any direction,” he said. “The country is very divided.”

Last week the government banned protests in the central business districts of Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, though Mr Odinga’s supporters came out anyway.

The opposition has promised to escalate its demonstrations to every day from this week.

https://www.ft.com/conte...5-873e61754ec6#comments



All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
murchr
#275 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2017 7:14:07 PM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Pierce
#276 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 2:54:58 PM
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kenmac wrote:
We can all be humble if we contextualize the Somalia war to the current Kenyan scenario with a few points;

- Somalia Civil war was triggered by clamour for multiparty elections.

- Tribalism is one of the major causes of the Somali civil war.Even now, the first thing a Somali wants to know about another Somali is what clan does he or she belongs to. In order for a Somali to recognize a government or a political party, they need to have a clan representative who will think about their people.

- Political rivalries often take clan (tribal) dimensions. Close home, clanism is prevalent in North Eastern politics.

- If you ask most Somalis today, they will tell you that they want peace. They are tired of guns, that most of us Kenyans are cheeringly ready to welcome.

Quote:
George James from the New York Times reported that “In June 1990, a hundred prominent citizens signed a declaration called the Mogadishu Manifesto, calling for his resignation and the appointment of a transitional government pending free elections. He called the manifesto "destructive," and jailed 45 of those who had signed it, but about a month later he ordered their release. He agreed to multi-party parliamentary elections to be scheduled in February but later canceled them and the civil war took its course.”



What is needed in our current quagmire is some level headedness. Jubilee and Nasa will spiral the country down a familiar path for our neighbors.

Fahari wawili wakipigana, Nyasi huumia. As the grass that we are in these Jubilee and Nasa fights, the best we can do is dig and enmesh our nationhood roots tighter without caring what variety (read tribe) we are.

Let every Kenyan come out an vote on 26th, and Raila stop the side shows. It is the only option that every Kenyan has now, to make their voice count.

Even in America, the country we plagiarised our constitution from, Hillary Clinton is not holding the country hostage. Some we lose, other win.


The thought about Hillary in the USA situation (won the majority vote) also came to my mind. I was trying to get some 'justification' for what babu is doing and at the end...........nothing.

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