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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Back in 2013 I got feverish at the idea of Uhuru and Raila each insisting that they should be president. Given what happened in 2007, and the trends set by earlier elections it's possible to tell where we are going as a nations-state now and into the future.
We've been cooking a war, and the meal is about to be served.
Right now, the government has lost legitimacy no matter what it chooses to do. Jubilee is only fooling itself if it thinks the repeat elections will legitimize it.
The opposition too has lost legitimacy and the capacity to unite the state. The opposition cannot win this war.
So my friends, stop supporting the two factions. They lead nowhere. Let's build something new.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/5/2008 Posts: 532 Location: Nairobi
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Lets cut the crap,,,rename this group kameme Fox News...contributions froms phd ; muratina tapper's school; kamirithu aka mungiki kingdom school ..here we go..
Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kivairu wrote:Lets cut the crap,,,rename this group kameme Fox News...contributions froms phd ; muratina tapper's school; kamirithu aka mungiki kingdom school ..here we go..
The crap is in the grouping...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Back in 2013 I got feverish at the idea of Uhuru and Raila each insisting that they should be president. Given what happened in 2007, and the trends set by earlier elections it's possible to tell where we are going as a nations-state now and into the future.
We've been cooking a war, and the meal is about to be served.
Right now, the government has lost legitimacy no matter what it chooses to do. Jubilee is only fooling itself if it thinks the repeat elections will legitimize it.
The opposition too has lost legitimacy and the capacity to unite the state. The opposition cannot win this war.
So my friends, stop supporting the two factions. They lead nowhere. Let's build something new.
Build what? And how? If you had an idea, you would tell us. At least those who support a side are honest with themselves. They have convictions about their side, regardless of its flaws. This academic wankery is pointless. If you can't pick a side, you shut up and let those who have ideas carry on with business,then live with the consequences. But you don't to dismiss all the options as untenable and not offer a solution. I will leave here a quote by Roosevelt that should give serious pause: Quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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kivairu wrote:Lets cut the crap,,,rename this group kameme Fox News...contributions froms phd ; muratina tapper's school; kamirithu aka mungiki kingdom school ..here we go..
You get outnumbered, you start cheap branding/insults Grow up!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:Back in 2013 I got feverish at the idea of Uhuru and Raila each insisting that they should be president. Given what happened in 2007, and the trends set by earlier elections it's possible to tell where we are going as a nations-state now and into the future.
We've been cooking a war, and the meal is about to be served.
Right now, the government has lost legitimacy no matter what it chooses to do. Jubilee is only fooling itself if it thinks the repeat elections will legitimize it.
The opposition too has lost legitimacy and the capacity to unite the state. The opposition cannot win this war.
So my friends, stop supporting the two factions. They lead nowhere. Let's build something new.
Build what? And how? If you had an idea, you would tell us. At least those who support a side are honest with themselves. They have convictions about their side, regardless of its flaws. This academic wankery is pointless. If you can't pick a side, you shut up and let those who have ideas carry on with business,then live with the consequences. But you don't to dismiss all the options as untenable and not offer a solution. I will leave here a quote by Roosevelt that should give serious pause: Quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
I guess this is one of the rare occurrences where you show how much you're steeped in prejudice. Instead of simply asking a question you attack with your prejudgements. But I don't want to turn this to an ad hominem. 1. Ask yourself, is it trully worth it to choose either, or, when both sides are clearly leading the country to the doldrums? 2. Is it unworthy to consider other options for action before making a choice? I can also answer the questions you've paused. Build what? A new political ideology and world. Of course I have an idea and that's why I've posted! I expect better engagement from you quicksand!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:Back in 2013 I got feverish at the idea of Uhuru and Raila each insisting that they should be president. Given what happened in 2007, and the trends set by earlier elections it's possible to tell where we are going as a nations-state now and into the future.
We've been cooking a war, and the meal is about to be served.
Right now, the government has lost legitimacy no matter what it chooses to do. Jubilee is only fooling itself if it thinks the repeat elections will legitimize it.
The opposition too has lost legitimacy and the capacity to unite the state. The opposition cannot win this war.
So my friends, stop supporting the two factions. They lead nowhere. Let's build something new.
Build what? And how? If you had an idea, you would tell us. At least those who support a side are honest with themselves. They have convictions about their side, regardless of its flaws. This academic wankery is pointless. If you can't pick a side, you shut up and let those who have ideas carry on with business,then live with the consequences. But you don't to dismiss all the options as untenable and not offer a solution. I will leave here a quote by Roosevelt that should give serious pause: Quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
I guess this is one of the rare occurrences where you show how much you're steeped in prejudice. Instead of simply asking a question you attack with your prejudgements. But I don't want to turn this to an ad hominem. 1. Ask yourself, is it trully worth it to choose either, or, when both sides are clearly leading the country to the doldrums? 2. Is it unworthy to consider other options for action before making a choice? I can also answer the questions you've paused. Build what? A new political ideology and world. Of course I have an idea and that's why I've posted! I expect better engagement from you quicksand! Right you are. I am prejudiced against these presumptions that something better than what we have exists, and yet you can't explain or even give an outline of what it is. You circle the same nebulous points. The answer to your first question is you can sit on the fence, since the reality is the systems we have at present dont suit you. As for the second, what are those options? What is this political ideology you espouse? Do tell us please... The world, people and different forms of government have existed for millenia. History and folly led Churchill to say "democracy is the worst form of government..except for all the other forms". You are going to invent a new kind of government or democracy, that is fair to all and transcends what we have? Your creation will be immune to all human weaknesses like greed, malice, selfishness, cruelty? These are not singularly Kenyan conditions. I am curious to hear your reasoning which supposedly upends all the experience of humanity, the thinking of greats like the Romans, the American founding fathers who contributed to the kind of democracy we have today, flawed as it is.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Back in 2013 I got feverish at the idea of Uhuru and Raila each insisting that they should be president. Given what happened in 2007, and the trends set by earlier elections it's possible to tell where we are going as a nations-state now and into the future.
We've been cooking a war, and the meal is about to be served.
Right now, the government has lost legitimacy no matter what it chooses to do. Jubilee is only fooling itself if it thinks the repeat elections will legitimize it.
The opposition too has lost legitimacy and the capacity to unite the state. The opposition cannot win this war.
So my friends, stop supporting the two factions. They lead nowhere. Let's build something new.
Tycho, placing all blame on two sides may feel good but it is a copout. The fact is we are all complicit in this pissing contest. Our tribal kings can only project their bloated egos because we give them the energy to do so. The only silver lining I see here is the chance to test our fidelity to our borrowed constitution (or not). But then it took a devastating civil war for America to become a 'nation of laws'. Is that the path we are choosing? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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if thing turn south I will blame three people for thinking they are too important for this country ,raila Uhuru and chiloba raila should have allowed the fresh elections to proceed, Uhuru should have taken measures to unite the country rather that yapping supreme court this ,bulldozing election law changes.he should know that for you to lead people, they must accept to be led,chiloba should have resigned out of conscience even if not guilty. God save Kenya, things are not looking good ,hoping we will get a political solution as a military/civil war option is difficult to come out from.imagine that kaplot you have built with sweat and tears coming down after attacks ,the rapes ,killings ,maiming !!!remember the fighter in civil war have really nothing to lose punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Chiloba did nothing wrong. We have to stop giving into babas demands.Chebukati calls himself the ref. In a match the opposing sides always have to bicker , but the ref blows the whistle and calls the shots. The law is on his side. He has done everything to carry out a sane election. On another note, those who don't vote like @alma should stop inciting the public and turn their tvs to cartoon network. Those who are listening to Miguna and applauding him, I hope you have an address in Ontario. If not , I hope atakufungulia nyumba. In short, when things turn south you will either be fleeing to Somalia or UG. Magufuli people dispise us and South Sudanese will turn you into a meal. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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