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FRM2011 wrote:Jump-steady wrote:harrydre wrote:tomorrow will be baaad!  No it won't. I believe the chaps sitting at the security council are smart enough to avoid the trap being laid for them by NASA. History lesson. On 7/7/1997, Kivutha kibwana's ncec launched their most effective demo to force Moi to agree on minimum reforms before elections. Clergy and opposition joined the civil society. Moi reacted by unleashing unbelievable violence. 14 demonstrators died 3 of them shot right inside the all Saints cathedral Church. After that, it's Moi who reached out to the opposition and ippg was born. Moi knew he had reached the end and violence couldn't work anymore. In 2007, govt had to use the army to escort victims of pev from the Rift. Because cops had taken sides. What happens when you put security organs in a situation like ours is that sooner than later cracks will start emerging within the force. And they start taking sides.If you unleash violence on a section of the population, some of your officers will start having a problem with your shoot-to-kill orders. It happened in 2007. Don't know who remembers but rioters overun kesses DO's office and killed the senior cop and DO. This happened after cops had shot a protestor. Curiosly, they didn't touch officers who are "theirs". Neither did the officers protect their boss. When you reach that point you are so close to the tipping point it will only require a spark and the situation spirals out of control. And my worry is that NASA wouldn't mind that. Care to elaborate on the actors in your history.Am sure you will learn why its different this time round. It may also help you if you to get a clear picture substitite NASA with Luo Nyanza. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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FRM2011 wrote:Jump-steady wrote:harrydre wrote:tomorrow will be baaad! No it won't. I believe the chaps sitting at the security council are smart enough to avoid the trap being laid for them by NASA. History lesson. On 7/7/1997, Kivutha kibwana's ncec launched their most effective demo to force Moi to agree on minimum reforms before elections. Clergy and opposition joined the civil society. Moi reacted by unleashing unbelievable violence. 14 demonstrators died 3 of them shot right inside the all Saints cathedral Church. After that, it's Moi who reached out to the opposition and ippg was born. Moi knew he had reached the end and violence couldn't work anymore. In 2007, govt had to use the army to escort victims of pev from the Rift. Because cops had taken sides. What happens when you put security organs in a situation like ours is that sooner than later cracks will start emerging within the force. And they start taking sides.If you unleash violence on a section of the population, some of your officers will start having a problem with your shoot-to-kill orders. It happened in 2007. Don't know who remembers but rioters overun kesses DO's office and killed the senior cop and DO. This happened after cops had shot a protestor. Curiosly, they didn't touch officers who are "theirs". Neither did the officers protect their boss. When you reach that point you are so close to the tipping point it will only require a spark and the situation spirals out of control. And my worry is that NASA wouldn't mind that. There you've heard it from the horse own mouth (aka NASA insider).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Iganamagana wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Jump-steady wrote:harrydre wrote:tomorrow will be baaad! No it won't. I believe the chaps sitting at the security council are smart enough to avoid the trap being laid for them by NASA.
History lesson. On 7/7/1997, Kivutha kibwana's ncec launched their most effective demo to force Moi to agree on minimum reforms before elections. Clergy and opposition joined the civil society. Moi reacted by unleashing unbelievable violence. 14 demonstrators died 3 of them shot right inside the all Saints cathedral Church. After that, it's Moi who reached out to the opposition and ippg was born. Moi knew he had reached the end and violence couldn't work anymore. In 2007, govt had to use the army to escort victims of pev from the Rift. Because cops had taken sides. What happens when you put security organs in a situation like ours is that sooner than later cracks will start emerging within the force. And they start taking sides.If you unleash violence on a section of the population, some of your officers will start having a problem with your shoot-to-kill orders. It happened in 2007. Don't know who remembers but rioters overun kesses DO's office and killed the senior cop and DO. This happened after cops had shot a protestor. Curiosly, they didn't touch officers who are "theirs". Neither did the officers protect their boss. When you reach that point you are so close to the tipping point it will only require a spark and the situation spirals out of control. And my worry is that NASA wouldn't mind that. There you've heard it from the horse own mouth (aka NASA insider). And this trap involves bloodshed. Your leaders are willing Yo go to any length to take power. Poleni. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Bigchick wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Jump-steady wrote:harrydre wrote:tomorrow will be baaad! No it won't. I believe the chaps sitting at the security council are smart enough to avoid the trap being laid for them by NASA. History lesson. On 7/7/1997, Kivutha kibwana's ncec launched their most effective demo to force Moi to agree on minimum reforms before elections. Clergy and opposition joined the civil society. Moi reacted by unleashing unbelievable violence. 14 demonstrators died 3 of them shot right inside the all Saints cathedral Church. After that, it's Moi who reached out to the opposition and ippg was born. Moi knew he had reached the end and violence couldn't work anymore. In 2007, govt had to use the army to escort victims of pev from the Rift. Because cops had taken sides. What happens when you put security organs in a situation like ours is that sooner than later cracks will start emerging within the force. And they start taking sides.If you unleash violence on a section of the population, some of your officers will start having a problem with your shoot-to-kill orders. It happened in 2007. Don't know who remembers but rioters overun kesses DO's office and killed the senior cop and DO. This happened after cops had shot a protestor. Curiosly, they didn't touch officers who are "theirs". Neither did the officers protect their boss. When you reach that point you are so close to the tipping point it will only require a spark and the situation spirals out of control. And my worry is that NASA wouldn't mind that. Care to elaborate on the actors in your history.Am sure you will learn why its different this time round. It may also help you if you to get a clear picture substitite NASA with Luo Nyanza. Twisting facts and misquoting the constitution at every opportunity is NASA's modus operandi. Fact: The entire opposition consisting of Mt Kenya and the Lake were fully behind the NCEC initiave Fact:In 2007 the police in Rift Valley were up against the majority while trying to protect the minority Fact:2017 is one tribe affair and other regions seem to be disinterested. Trying to use 1997 tactics in 2017 will just not work. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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We are far from where we were in 2007. At this stage, people were already being killed and evicted from their homes. ODM of 2007 was a much more powerful outfit than NASA of today. The fact is in 2007, the Kalenjin were the watu wa mkono for ODM not just because of the warriors but also due to the high number of Kalenjins in the disciplined forces that made it difficult for GoK to go all out. It's the Rift Valley violence that actually led to the Grand Coalition government. The pattern of current demos already tells you where the problems are likely to be and it's a much smaller area and is more homogeneous. In the event Uhuru is declared president which seems apparent now, there'll certainly be chaos on and after the 26th. Parts of Nyanza and Western might even swear in Odinga as president and claim secession. However, it will be back to near normal in 95% of the country in 2 or 3 weeks. To drive a serious armed insurrection, Odinga would need not just MASSIVE dissent in the disciplined forces but also support from some regional leaders. Magufuli is a close friend but Tanzania will not go to direct/indirect war with Kenya over Kenya's problems that dont affect it. To this extent, Uhuruto's aggressive foreign policy over the last 5 years will work in their favor. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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Three more dead in nyanza, including a granny wounded, wonder how many more lives are to be sacrifice to the demons of power.  A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Much Know wrote:Three more dead in nyanza, including a granny wounded, wonder how many more lives are to be sacrifice to the demons of power. At least hundred have to die for Baba Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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kaka2za wrote:Much Know wrote:Three more dead in nyanza, including a granny wounded, wonder how many more lives are to be sacrifice to the demons of power. At least hundred have to die for Baba Modern day human sacrifice as the intoxicated worshippers do the "tibbim mavi dance", as people are dying, something akin to Aztec Mayan sun god worship human sacrifices e.t.c. nothing new under the sun I tell you, people never change for thousands of years watu ni wale wale! A New Kenya
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When these nasa fools insist it is the work of police to control the thieves, looters, stone-throwers, as a poor third world country do we have enough police and equipment and most important, TRAINING? Dont forget, the police were the first to be excused from ICC. Can we afford this? Is putting such a small police force under this kind of pressure not just outright "power grabbing", na hii power yote ni ya nini, choo na mkeka ya kabila yako tu? Police don't even have palaces like the rich maraga mwilu axis and earn peanuts, do more work actual value adding work than maraga who destroys and paid to mess up, then you hear some stupid tribal analyst pointing at police. And do we need that much policing as a society? This is fostered by a colonial mentality and total brainwashed thinking. Hii ni ujinga ya aina gani surely.  A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Maybe @War Lord should tell us how many drums of blood he has been asked for them we can go line up at Uhuru Park and willingly donate.The deaths and injuries of those Kisumu youths is needless. ION what did those guys who attacked Bondo Police Station expect? Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Matiang'i should withdraw police from towns in Luo Nyanza before they get killed. See what has happened in Siaya today. They attacked a police station and if the police officers were not alert, they would have been overrun. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Bigchick wrote:Maybe @War Lord should tell us how many drums of blood he has been asked for them we can go line up at Uhuru Park and willingly donate.The deaths and injuries of those Kisumu youths is needless.
ION what did those guys who attacked Bondo Police Station expect? Attacking a police station is crossing the red line. It's a declaration of war. The police should have responded appropriately and neutralized the 20 attackers just like they do when alshabab attack police stations. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Njung'e wrote:Matiang'i should withdraw police from towns in Luo Nyanza before they get killed. See what has happened in Siaya today. They attacked a police station and if the police officers were not alert, they would have been overrun. For once,I think Secession of Luo Nyanza would be a great idea. I guess MIB would be in charge of Security in Luo Nyanza People's Republic.0 Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Game shot! Bull's eye! The officer who did this should be promoted ASAP. Excellent marksman. Choices have consequences.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Bigchick wrote:Maybe @War Lord should tell us how many drums of blood he has been asked for them we can go line up at Uhuru Park and willingly donate.The deaths and injuries of those Kisumu youths is needless.
ION what did those guys who attacked Bondo Police Station expect? these ojingas attacking a police station are simply wishing for death. Even in developed democracies, try to harm a cop and see what happens.i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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The enugu witchdoctors demanded blood, and there they have it.
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Bulls eye..  The greatest act of bravery is chancing a fart while suffering from diarrhoea
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safariant wrote:Bulls eye.. Seems like the teargas canister was thrown right inside the car. No wonder the principals are keeping off. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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