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limanika
#1 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 10:03:24 AM
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Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent
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Bigchick
#2 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 10:28:36 AM
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limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



Ok for the future.

This Amolo man must go down the way he lived.A bitter man.For the misery hee has caused many people.Death and destruction since 1982.He has blood on his hands.

After that your proposal can be worked on and implemented.

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Tokyo
#3 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36:53 AM
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The major problem is persevered “Freedom without responsibilities.” An African needs less freedom and strong leadership. Kagame, Magufuli ,the Ethiopian guy managing well
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Fyatu
#4 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 11:42:07 AM
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limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



The perennial pain in Kenya's ass is known. He has been at it since 1982. The solution is for a brave Nairobi business person to take him out to Makueni
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Fullykenyan
#5 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 11:46:55 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



The perennial pain in Kenya's ass is known. He has been at it since 1982. The solution is for a brave Nairobi business person to take him out to Makueni


Very irresponsible comment.
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wukan
#6 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 1:41:48 PM
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limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent


There is nothing wrong with the constitution just hangover from the old one which is what created the family dynasties we have around. Politics is a market for ideas not a privilege. Losers must learn to improve their arguments not raise their voices.

Are we also going to nominate losers in the gubernatorial races to county assemblies? Makes no sense.

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limanika
#7 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 1:42:12 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



Ok for the future.

This Amolo man must go down the way he lived.A bitter man.For the misery hee has caused many people.Death and destruction since 1982.He has blood on his hands.

After that your proposal can be worked on and implemented.


The proposal is mainly for the benefit of 6m people who feel left out. Strategically speaking in terms of national security, you don't want someone with 6m votes itdle. Otherwise you can expect trouble for next five yrs
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harrydre
#8 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 1:46:24 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



Ok for the future.

This Amolo man must go down the way he lived.A bitter man.For the misery hee has caused many people.Death and destruction since 1982.He has blood on his hands.

After that your proposal can be worked on and implemented.



I fully agree here @bigchick. Let him go back to bondo a wounded and defeated man. Thereafter we can even have a PM position for runners up and make sure he lives to see it happen. I also hope we get to elect a non kiuk or Kale president while he is still alive so he can know who the problem was.
i.am.back!!!!
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Iganamagana
#9 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 1:56:13 PM
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harrydre wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



Ok for the future.

This Amolo man must go down the way he lived.A bitter man.For the misery hee has caused many people.Death and destruction since 1982.He has blood on his hands.

After that your proposal can be worked on and implemented.



I fully agree here @bigchick. Let him go back to bondo a wounded and defeated man. Thereafter we can even have a PM position for runners up and make sure he lives to see it happen. I also hope we get to elect a non kiuk or Kale president while he is still alive so he can know who the problem was.



This will complicate life for the winner akin to the Nusu Mkate situation. Maybe a coalition provision like in Britain or like minded parties have pre-election agreements.

Either way, we are a long shot from having a workable system given the selfish and undemocratic nature of our politicians (including those that purport to have been fighting for democratic space and freedom since some of us old men were teenagers).
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tycho
#10 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 2:32:49 PM
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Who/what engineered Kenya, and how was Kenya engineered?

Are there engineering standards to be met?

Or rather the whole matter is an engineering problem but which requires knowledge of how a human works.

So the entire question may be restated in terms of our understanding of how individuals work and whether there are optimal states and how the whole body politic fares statistically.

This offers a perspective that is supported by the practice and craft of bodies politics from the ancients.

So the prescription is to go back to our ancestors and ancients and rediscover the craft.
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