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What ails Kenya...and the prescription
limanika
#1 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 10:03:24 AM
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Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent
Bigchick
#2 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 10:28:36 AM
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limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



Ok for the future.

This Amolo man must go down the way he lived.A bitter man.For the misery hee has caused many people.Death and destruction since 1982.He has blood on his hands.

After that your proposal can be worked on and implemented.

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#3 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36:53 AM
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The major problem is persevered “Freedom without responsibilities.” An African needs less freedom and strong leadership. Kagame, Magufuli ,the Ethiopian guy managing well
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Fyatu
#4 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 11:42:07 AM
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limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



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Fullykenyan
#5 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 11:46:55 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



The perennial pain in Kenya's ass is known. He has been at it since 1982. The solution is for a brave Nairobi business person to take him out to Makueni


Very irresponsible comment.
wukan
#6 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 1:41:48 PM
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limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent


There is nothing wrong with the constitution just hangover from the old one which is what created the family dynasties we have around. Politics is a market for ideas not a privilege. Losers must learn to improve their arguments not raise their voices.

Are we also going to nominate losers in the gubernatorial races to county assemblies? Makes no sense.

limanika
#7 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 1:42:12 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



Ok for the future.

This Amolo man must go down the way he lived.A bitter man.For the misery hee has caused many people.Death and destruction since 1982.He has blood on his hands.

After that your proposal can be worked on and implemented.


The proposal is mainly for the benefit of 6m people who feel left out. Strategically speaking in terms of national security, you don't want someone with 6m votes itdle. Otherwise you can expect trouble for next five yrs
harrydre
#8 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 1:46:24 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



Ok for the future.

This Amolo man must go down the way he lived.A bitter man.For the misery hee has caused many people.Death and destruction since 1982.He has blood on his hands.

After that your proposal can be worked on and implemented.



I fully agree here @bigchick. Let him go back to bondo a wounded and defeated man. Thereafter we can even have a PM position for runners up and make sure he lives to see it happen. I also hope we get to elect a non kiuk or Kale president while he is still alive so he can know who the problem was.
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#9 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 1:56:13 PM
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harrydre wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



Ok for the future.

This Amolo man must go down the way he lived.A bitter man.For the misery hee has caused many people.Death and destruction since 1982.He has blood on his hands.

After that your proposal can be worked on and implemented.



I fully agree here @bigchick. Let him go back to bondo a wounded and defeated man. Thereafter we can even have a PM position for runners up and make sure he lives to see it happen. I also hope we get to elect a non kiuk or Kale president while he is still alive so he can know who the problem was.



This will complicate life for the winner akin to the Nusu Mkate situation. Maybe a coalition provision like in Britain or like minded parties have pre-election agreements.

Either way, we are a long shot from having a workable system given the selfish and undemocratic nature of our politicians (including those that purport to have been fighting for democratic space and freedom since some of us old men were teenagers).
tycho
#10 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 2:32:49 PM
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Who/what engineered Kenya, and how was Kenya engineered?

Are there engineering standards to be met?

Or rather the whole matter is an engineering problem but which requires knowledge of how a human works.

So the entire question may be restated in terms of our understanding of how individuals work and whether there are optimal states and how the whole body politic fares statistically.

This offers a perspective that is supported by the practice and craft of bodies politics from the ancients.

So the prescription is to go back to our ancestors and ancients and rediscover the craft.
FRM2011
#11 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 3:52:27 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



The perennial pain in Kenya's ass is known. He has been at it since 1982. The solution is for a brave Nairobi business person to take him out to Makueni


Very irresponsible comment.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly That statement can get @fyatu elected to parliament. So its not irresponsible. In central kenya, they have been made to believe that all their problems start and end with Rao. The landless are told its because of Raila they don't have land. Forget Rao doesn't own an acre of land in central.

Witchcraft is real.
FRM2011
#12 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 4:00:50 PM
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limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent


Don't know whether you heard the very interesting proposals from Cyprian Nyamwamu yesterday. One is what you have suggested. The second one is to create an office of the leader of opposition and his deputy. It would be funded by the taxpayer and it would have a secretariat. Their job would be to provide an alternative leadership. E.g. Make presentations to parliamentary committees whenever they seek public input on bills.

Sadly, as you have already noted, some people imagine its an office for Raila. But its fine. Karma will fix that.

Uhuru will most likely be the last president from Mt. Kenya in our lifetime. And that is a good thing. Whenever we are in the opposition, we are very effective. When it comes to offering leadership, apart from the 10 years of Kibaki, we are totally clueless.
2012
#13 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 5:00:48 PM
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limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



I don't agree because I don't think the opposition leader who gets 40% of the vote would want to sit in this discredited Parliament with the likes of Jaguar and Babu Owinos. Even worse it would be a shame for him to sit in the even more useless senate. I think the constitution should have created a powerful senate like the US where most of its losing candidates have found comfort in. But Kenya is unique, actually, I don't know if we're unique, spoilt or a special case.

BBI will solve it
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limanika
#14 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 8:31:29 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent


Don't know whether you heard the very interesting proposals from Cyprian Nyamwamu yesterday. One is what you have suggested. The second one is to create an office of the leader of opposition and his deputy. It would be funded by the taxpayer and it would have a secretariat. Their job would be to provide an alternative leadership. E.g. Make presentations to parliamentary committees whenever they seek public input on bills.

Sadly, as you have already noted, some people imagine its an office for Raila. But its fine. Karma will fix that.

Uhuru will most likely be the last president from Mt. Kenya in our lifetime. And that is a good thing. Whenever we are in the opposition, we are very effective. When it comes to offering leadership, apart from the 10 years of Kibaki, we are totally clueless.

Interesting..i think funding a stand alone office would be too expensive. My proposal is that the pork runners up should automatically become minority leader in NA or Senate, with his deputy assuming similar post in the other house.

Otherwise with current scenario, we will end up back to the single party error since nobody wants to stay out in the cold. And if you stay out you become irrelevant.
essyk
#15 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 11:39:24 PM
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Ailment:Democracy

We fought for and got it.It's now became number one enemy.

Prescription:Still In the lab.
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limanika
#16 Posted : Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:15:04 AM
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tycho wrote:
Who/what engineered Kenya, and how was Kenya engineered?

Are there engineering standards to be met?

Or rather the whole matter is an engineering problem but which requires knowledge of how a human works.

So the entire question may be restated in terms of our understanding of how individuals work and whether there are optimal states and how the whole body politic fares statistically.

This offers a perspective that is supported by the practice and craft of bodies politics from the ancients.

So the prescription is to go back to our ancestors and ancients and rediscover the craft.

Ancient govts were no better. Apart from Gikuyu where an entire ageset was in power and matters resolved by council of elders, most other societies were monarchies, you were either born in royalty or otherwise you were savage. Until the French revolution ushered in modern day form of govt - democracy. But all scholars agree democracy is not a perfect type of government. Maybe it is time for Kenya to invent a better form of govt and benqueth to the world, just like the French did couple of centuries ago. But do we wait for Kenyan revolution?
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#17 Posted : Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:27:01 AM
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the solution is that kenyans simply need to grow up. clinton is out there without a position and she had a majority 63 million votes. new positions wont prevent anything. RAO for example will not take up a position in parliament if the president wont be in parliament. he'll see it as a demotion to be engaging akina duale and murkomen. once you choose democracy, you have to take all its consequences including people losing on the ballot by razor thin margins and gracefully going home or preparing for next election.
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Bigchick
#18 Posted : Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:12:40 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



The perennial pain in Kenya's ass is known. He has been at it since 1982. The solution is for a brave Nairobi business person to take him out to Makueni


Very irresponsible comment.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly That statement can get @fyatu elected to parliament. So its not irresponsible. In central kenya, they have been made to believe that all their problems start and end with Rao. The landless are told its because of Raila they don't have land. Forget Rao doesn't own an acre of land in central.

Witchcraft is real.


Be factual!No kiuk thinks their landlessness is due to the goon.

But economic woes based on his free things mentality yes they blame him.They also hate his goonish behaviour more so at his age and of course his association with the black world makes him not welcome in central.
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Bigchick
#19 Posted : Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:15:40 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent


Don't know whether you heard the very interesting proposals from Cyprian Nyamwamu yesterday. One is what you have suggested. The second one is to create an office of the leader of opposition and his deputy. It would be funded by the taxpayer and it would have a secretariat. Their job would be to provide an alternative leadership. E.g. Make presentations to parliamentary committees whenever they seek public input on bills.

Sadly, as you have already noted, some people imagine its an office for Raila. But its fine. Karma will fix that.

Uhuru will most likely be the last president from Mt. Kenya in our lifetime. And that is a good thing. Whenever we are in the opposition, we are very effective. When it comes to offering leadership, apart from the 10 years of Kibaki, we are totally clueless.


There is no Karma here.He will reap what he has sown over the years.Death,poverty,destruction,hatred etc.

All in a quest to assend to power through the back door.May the blood of those who have died because of him haunt him forever.

That position can be created and is welcome,even a nusu mkate government is welcome but not with this War Lord in it.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:59:54 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
limanika wrote:
Kenya's problem is that our 2010 constitution created a winner takes all scenario. Subsequently, when you have a presidential candidate commanding over 40% of the votes, and then they are left in the cold, your supporters will feel left out and will vent out anger indirectly like is happening. Can parliament amend section 90 of constitution to allow any pork candidate and running mate who gets over 30% of total votes to be nominated to parliament. This doesn't require referendum. It will cure amolos malady and also ensure that in future we don't lose talent



The perennial pain in Kenya's ass is known. He has been at it since 1982. The solution is for a brave Nairobi business person to take him out to Makueni


Very irresponsible comment.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly That statement can get @fyatu elected to parliament. So its not irresponsible. In central kenya, they have been made to believe that all their problems start and end with Rao. The landless are told its because of Raila they don't have land. Forget Rao doesn't own an acre of land in central.

Witchcraft is real.



Which central are you referring to here? Total nonsense!!
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