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2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Fyatu wrote:At the end of this debacle Kenyans should each be given a certificate in Law....an equivalent of Associate counsel Very true I have learned more law and latin this year then ever I have also learned that our constitution is a scam stitched up by lawyers to make money. Bomas was not about Wanjiku after all. Exactly, it needs serious panel beating. WSR saw this. cnp Quote:Back in the 90s, during the clamour for a new constitution, Moi argued that Wanjiku had no idea about making of a constitution
He was called names like dictator etc. Politicians and activists rushed to use cliché phrases like 'Let the people decide', 'Kenyans want', 'We the people' ad nauseam
My recollection of Ghai commission sittings (which I attended in my hometown) confirms Moi was right. We went there thinking katiba was dawa for everything in Kenya including rogue pastors and churches! Kenyans all over were saying we must force churches to have at least a school and a hospital! Kwa katiba!
The other thing is, we thought we were making the katiba for Moi. Hence most wanted university degree included as a minimum requirement and max age set at 75!
Moi was later proven right again when in 2008, we formed the committee of experts to write for us a katiba. They just customised sections lifted mainly from US system.
He was proven right again by certain sections in 2010 who said 'Kama baba amesoma na akaona iko sawa, basi iko sawa'
Others are proving Moi right today(2017) by quoting non existent sections of the katiba just because someone called a presser and told them it's in the katiba!! Our constitution is not perfect, it's work in progress. But believe it or not, we are much better off with this than the monster that was there before. We would be at war now after these aborted elections were it not for this imperfect constitution. @2012, but it seems like we are inching closer to war even with this new constitution 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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sanity wrote:Iganamagana wrote:kaka2za wrote:Bigchick wrote:Jump-steady wrote:Bigchick wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:Now imagine if the Supreme Court moves "Suo motu" on this matter and gave an unsolicited order! The deputy SC must be dying of anger. Anytime I see her talk, I see one angry woman. And lots bitterness with the world. Why does she talk so forcibly? Why can't she be like Maraga and cover up her feelings. At first, I thought she was experiencing that discomfort that ladies say they have during that time of month  She is past "that time of the month" Maybe menopausal.Or Wako had stopped smiling at her. From her looks she has a cold,black and stonehard heart.In another life she could be a witch. She looks like one You guys be kind. She is someones mother or grandmother. She is a beautiful Human being with a contrary opinion. you can have a contrary opinion but express it positively. Smoookin, Maraga are good examples. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Jump-steady wrote:2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Fyatu wrote:At the end of this debacle Kenyans should each be given a certificate in Law....an equivalent of Associate counsel Very true I have learned more law and latin this year then ever I have also learned that our constitution is a scam stitched up by lawyers to make money. Bomas was not about Wanjiku after all. Exactly, it needs serious panel beating. WSR saw this. cnp Quote:Back in the 90s, during the clamour for a new constitution, Moi argued that Wanjiku had no idea about making of a constitution
He was called names like dictator etc. Politicians and activists rushed to use cliché phrases like 'Let the people decide', 'Kenyans want', 'We the people' ad nauseam
My recollection of Ghai commission sittings (which I attended in my hometown) confirms Moi was right. We went there thinking katiba was dawa for everything in Kenya including rogue pastors and churches! Kenyans all over were saying we must force churches to have at least a school and a hospital! Kwa katiba!
The other thing is, we thought we were making the katiba for Moi. Hence most wanted university degree included as a minimum requirement and max age set at 75!
Moi was later proven right again when in 2008, we formed the committee of experts to write for us a katiba. They just customised sections lifted mainly from US system.
He was proven right again by certain sections in 2010 who said 'Kama baba amesoma na akaona iko sawa, basi iko sawa'
Others are proving Moi right today(2017) by quoting non existent sections of the katiba just because someone called a presser and told them it's in the katiba!! Our constitution is not perfect, it's work in progress. But believe it or not, we are much better off with this than the monster that was there before. We would be at war now after these aborted elections were it not for this imperfect constitution. @2012, but it seems like we are inching closer to war even with this new constitution I don't think so @Steady. I think we are agreeing to disagree. We have a fully constituted and operational Parliament, senate and county governments. We will experience some disturbances here and there but the drums of war are very far.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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harrydre wrote:sanity wrote:Iganamagana wrote:kaka2za wrote:Bigchick wrote:Jump-steady wrote:Bigchick wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:Now imagine if the Supreme Court moves "Suo motu" on this matter and gave an unsolicited order! The deputy SC must be dying of anger. Anytime I see her talk, I see one angry woman. And lots bitterness with the world. Why does she talk so forcibly? Why can't she be like Maraga and cover up her feelings. At first, I thought she was experiencing that discomfort that ladies say they have during that time of month She is past "that time of the month" Maybe menopausal.Or Wako had stopped smiling at her. From her looks she has a cold,black and stonehard heart.In another life she could be a witch. She looks like one You guys be kind. She is someones mother or grandmother. She is a beautiful Human being with a contrary opinion. you can have a contrary opinion but express it positively. Smoookin, Maraga are good examples. Did @Smokin ever published his reasons for canceling the 8/8 erection? Ama we have moved on. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Yesterdays presser by NASA looked subdued could withdrawal have been their last card which has backfired badly.It will be interesting to watch how this guys behave from election day up to declaration now that their candidate is no longer running.What will they shout now that rigging and illegitimate elections are out of the table
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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The US government officially regrets railas withdrawal, and believe the rest of the west will follow us,now unless he wants to become an alshabaab officially, I think it is time for his supporters to let him retire from the race peacefully and move to bigger things and securing his legacy. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Impunity wrote:harrydre wrote:sanity wrote:Iganamagana wrote:kaka2za wrote:Bigchick wrote:Jump-steady wrote:Bigchick wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:Now imagine if the Supreme Court moves "Suo motu" on this matter and gave an unsolicited order! The deputy SC must be dying of anger. Anytime I see her talk, I see one angry woman. And lots bitterness with the world. Why does she talk so forcibly? Why can't she be like Maraga and cover up her feelings. At first, I thought she was experiencing that discomfort that ladies say they have during that time of month She is past "that time of the month" Maybe menopausal.Or Wako had stopped smiling at her. From her looks she has a cold,black and stonehard heart.In another life she could be a witch. She looks like one You guys be kind. She is someones mother or grandmother. She is a beautiful Human being with a contrary opinion. you can have a contrary opinion but express it positively. Smoookin, Maraga are good examples. Did @Smokin ever published his reasons for canceling the 8/8 erection? Ama we have moved on. He signed the majority ruling. The majority did not have individual rulings, they combined it into one.
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madollar wrote:Yesterdays presser by NASA looked subdued could withdrawal have been their last card which has backfired badly.It will be interesting to watch how this guys behave from election day up to declaration now that their candidate is no longer running.What will they shout now that rigging and illegitimate elections are out of the table The 26th elections will be likely to be the most peaceful as there will be minimal disruptions. issues of ballot stuffing, infringement of procedures etc will not arise this time. Challenge will be how to distibute ballots in places like Homa Bay where the non voters may not want others to vote. Baba will be back in 2022 for another try. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Much Know wrote:The US government officially regrets railas withdrawal, and believe the rest of the west will follow us,now unless he wants to become an alshabaab officially, I think it is time for his supporters to let him retire from the race peacefully and move to bigger things and securing his legacy. Legacy is for the victors, that's why baba is really fighting hard to at least be in government where he can try do something big, otherwise no one will remember him once he exits the scene, history books will mention Jomo, Moi, Kibaki and Uhuru and if rao does not get the highest position he will fade away, sadly just as has happened to Jaramogi, history does not remember him. I will not be surprised if he tries again for the top position come 2022, that is if he fails this time round.
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Much Know wrote:The US government officially regrets railas withdrawal, and believe the rest of the west will follow us,now unless he wants to become an alshabaab officially, I think it is time for his supporters to let him retire from the race peacefully and move to bigger things and securing his legacy. Legacy is for the victors, that's why baba is really fighting hard to at least be in government where he can try do something big, otherwise no one will remember him once he exits the scene, history books will mention Jomo, Moi, Kibaki and Uhuru and if rao does not get the highest position he will fade away, sadly just as has happened to Jaramogi, history does not remember him. I will not be surprised if he tries again for the top position come 2022, that is if he fails this time round. In politics no one remembers the guy who came in second. Honestly speaking it's over for baba, the influence he once had has waned over time. Younger voters can't recall or connect with the street activism of the 90's. Voter priorities change over time and new politicians come up to take the leadership mantle. Sadly it's time for baba to retire peacefully. He should allow his supporters to find a place in the 2022 succession politics by building bridges with the mountaineers.
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A NASA blogger and lawyer have gone to court to appeal the Mativo ruling on Aukot. https://citizentv.co.ke/...ot-in-fresh-poll-178341/All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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[quote=innairobi]A NASA blogger and lawyer have gone to court to appeal the Mativo ruling on Aukot. https://citizentv.co.ke/...t-in-fresh-poll-178341/[/quote] If all these NASA bloggers and lawyers would instead of going to the courts mobilized voters for Baba, he would win with Numbers and not with processes. We now have under two weeks to the elections and unless the Judiciary is hell bent to bring down this country, it would be humanly impossible to have elections within the timeliness set by the SC. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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[quote=innairobi]A NASA blogger and lawyer have gone to court to appeal the Mativo ruling on Aukot. https://citizentv.co.ke/...t-in-fresh-poll-178341/[/quote] Is it possible to appeal against a case you were not party to? 
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wukan wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Much Know wrote:The US government officially regrets railas withdrawal, and believe the rest of the west will follow us,now unless he wants to become an alshabaab officially, I think it is time for his supporters to let him retire from the race peacefully and move to bigger things and securing his legacy. Legacy is for the victors, that's why baba is really fighting hard to at least be in government where he can try do something big, otherwise no one will remember him once he exits the scene, history books will mention Jomo, Moi, Kibaki and Uhuru and if rao does not get the highest position he will fade away, sadly just as has happened to Jaramogi, history does not remember him. I will not be surprised if he tries again for the top position come 2022, that is if he fails this time round. In politics no one remembers the guy who came in second. Honestly speaking it's over for baba, the influence he once had has waned over time. Younger voters can't recall or connect with the street activism of the 90's. Voter priorities change over time and new politicians come up to take the leadership mantle. Sadly it's time for baba to retire peacefully. He should allow his supporters to find a place in the 2022 succession politics by building bridges with the mountaineers. I think Raila will continue to command and call the shots in Nyanza politics even in retirement. The people there are drunk with the man. I applaud the Kales for letting go of Moi and moving on to Ruto despite Moi's efforts to retain the kingdom within his family. As for the Kyuks, once you are out that's it, you are out. So expect Uhuru to have zero influence just like Kibaki after his second term.
BBI will solve it :)
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2012 wrote:wukan wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Much Know wrote:The US government officially regrets railas withdrawal, and believe the rest of the west will follow us,now unless he wants to become an alshabaab officially, I think it is time for his supporters to let him retire from the race peacefully and move to bigger things and securing his legacy. Legacy is for the victors, that's why baba is really fighting hard to at least be in government where he can try do something big, otherwise no one will remember him once he exits the scene, history books will mention Jomo, Moi, Kibaki and Uhuru and if rao does not get the highest position he will fade away, sadly just as has happened to Jaramogi, history does not remember him. I will not be surprised if he tries again for the top position come 2022, that is if he fails this time round. In politics no one remembers the guy who came in second. Honestly speaking it's over for baba, the influence he once had has waned over time. Younger voters can't recall or connect with the street activism of the 90's. Voter priorities change over time and new politicians come up to take the leadership mantle. Sadly it's time for baba to retire peacefully. He should allow his supporters to find a place in the 2022 succession politics by building bridges with the mountaineers. I think Raila will continue to command and call the shots in Nyanza politics even in retirement. The people there are drunk with the man. I applaud the Kales for letting go of Moi and moving on to Ruto despite Moi's efforts to retain the kingdom within his family. As for the Kyuks, once you are out that's it, you are out. So expect Uhuru to have zero influence just like Kibaki after his second term. I think Uhuru will still continue having clout. He has dealt with Raila once and for,all, and this has given him Uthamaki title, that will not be taken away from him. He is also Young, Vibrant, charismatic and in touch with the common man. kibaki didn´t have this
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After baba's withdrawal, i thought they would leave the rest of us t do our things the way we know. why the protests in an election they will not participate in.? Why does it matter now who conducts the elections? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Fullykenyan wrote:2012 wrote:wukan wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Much Know wrote:The US government officially regrets railas withdrawal, and believe the rest of the west will follow us,now unless he wants to become an alshabaab officially, I think it is time for his supporters to let him retire from the race peacefully and move to bigger things and securing his legacy. Legacy is for the victors, that's why baba is really fighting hard to at least be in government where he can try do something big, otherwise no one will remember him once he exits the scene, history books will mention Jomo, Moi, Kibaki and Uhuru and if rao does not get the highest position he will fade away, sadly just as has happened to Jaramogi, history does not remember him. I will not be surprised if he tries again for the top position come 2022, that is if he fails this time round. In politics no one remembers the guy who came in second. Honestly speaking it's over for baba, the influence he once had has waned over time. Younger voters can't recall or connect with the street activism of the 90's. Voter priorities change over time and new politicians come up to take the leadership mantle. Sadly it's time for baba to retire peacefully. He should allow his supporters to find a place in the 2022 succession politics by building bridges with the mountaineers. I think Raila will continue to command and call the shots in Nyanza politics even in retirement. The people there are drunk with the man. I applaud the Kales for letting go of Moi and moving on to Ruto despite Moi's efforts to retain the kingdom within his family. As for the Kyuks, once you are out that's it, you are out. So expect Uhuru to have zero influence just like Kibaki after his second term. I think Uhuru will still continue having clout. He has dealt with Raila once and for,all, and this has given him Uthamaki title, that will not be taken away from him. He is also Young, Vibrant, charismatic and in touch with the common man. kibaki didn´t have this Assuming Uhuru wins now and Ruto does so in 2022, Uhuru's clout will be greatly diminished by the time we get to 2027. For obvious reasons, he wont want to be competing for the spotlight with President Ruto. He'll take a low profile. He'll campaign for Ruto in 2027 but how Mount Kenya votes then will depend on how Ruto manages the region 2022-2027. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Raila Odinga wrote: I will not sign Form 24A His name will be on the ballot, some will show up to vote for him even tho he will not vote for himself "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Njung'e wrote:After baba's withdrawal, i thought they would leave the rest of us t do our things the way we know. why the protests in an election they will not participate in.? Why does it matter now who conducts the elections? Very true. They still want Chiloba out in an election are not participating in. I am sure they will still potion the results of the 26th even when they have not participated in them. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Baba forced to flee from chatham house london where he was giving a lecture after angry uhuru supporters storm venue to eject him. https://www.the-star.co....-against-raila_c1652287
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