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sparkly
#41 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:21:43 AM
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obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share

Kuna mtu alirogwa na KQ alafu mrogi Akafa
Life is short. Live passionately.
Ebenyo
#42 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:33:13 AM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share

Kuna mtu alirogwa na KQ alafu mrogi Akafa


Mrogi alisema atafufuka.Ndio maana huyo anataka akufe na KQ alafu afufuke tena.
Dont work for money.Let your money work for you.
whiteowl
#43 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:08:53 PM
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Joined: 4/16/2014
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obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.
MaichBlack
#44 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 8:51:50 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,109
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
obiero
#45 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:44:32 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 7,644
Location: nairobi
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up
www.winda.co.ke
MaichBlack
#46 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:14:48 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,109
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
obiero
#47 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:26:28 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 7,644
Location: nairobi
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point
www.winda.co.ke
Spikes
#48 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 4:46:30 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,071
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.
John 1:46 "Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?" Nathaniel asked ."Come and see," said Philip.
obiero
#49 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 8:25:32 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 7,644
Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..
www.winda.co.ke
Spikes
#50 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:02:27 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,071
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.
John 1:46 "Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?" Nathaniel asked ."Come and see," said Philip.
obiero
#51 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:46:25 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 7,644
Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.

I agree
www.winda.co.ke
muandiwambeu
#52 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:52:57 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 763
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.

I agree

and by extension, so @obiero you too agree you are being ripped off buying into this loss making monkey with negative NAV and living on borrowed time from the creditors.
Eti nilisikia kamtu fulani kakisema the adverse loss position of kq will improve to what loss position? that's an insult of the highest order to investors Intel.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#53 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 7:03:27 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 7,644
Location: nairobi
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.

I agree

and by extension, so @obiero you too agree you are being ripped off buying into this loss making monkey with negative NAV and living on borrowed time from the creditors.
Eti nilisikia kamtu fulani kakisema the adverse loss position of kq will improve to what loss position? that's an insult of the highest order to investors Intel.

ukitoka ICU to general ward lazima tufurahi... KQ was ill but is now recovering under operation pride and will soon turn healthy.. just saying.. BTW PJT have finalised strategic investor funding worth USD 0.6B to be made public in next few weeks
www.winda.co.ke
Spikes
#54 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 8:13:09 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,071
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.

I agree

and by extension, so @obiero you too agree you are being ripped off buying into this loss making monkey with negative NAV and living on borrowed time from the creditors.
Eti nilisikia kamtu fulani kakisema the adverse loss position of kq will improve to what loss position? that's an insult of the highest order to investors Intel.

ukitoka ICU to general ward lazima tufurahi... KQ was ill but is now recovering under operation pride and will soon turn healthy.. just saying.. BTW PJT have finalised strategic investor funding worth USD 0.6B to be made public in next few weeks


@obiero you are not afraid of dilution due to KES 60B injection by a new investor? An entry of fresh strategic investor will dampen market excitement.
John 1:46 "Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?" Nathaniel asked ."Come and see," said Philip.
obiero
#55 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 8:47:08 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 7,644
Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.

I agree

and by extension, so @obiero you too agree you are being ripped off buying into this loss making monkey with negative NAV and living on borrowed time from the creditors.
Eti nilisikia kamtu fulani kakisema the adverse loss position of kq will improve to what loss position? that's an insult of the highest order to investors Intel.

ukitoka ICU to general ward lazima tufurahi... KQ was ill but is now recovering under operation pride and will soon turn healthy.. just saying.. BTW PJT have finalised strategic investor funding worth USD 0.6B to be made public in next few weeks


@obiero you are not afraid of dilution due to KES 60B injection by a new investor? An entry of fresh strategic investor will dampen market excitement.

no.. I am not worried.. The price rise will out strip the effects of dilution
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Ebenyo
#56 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:50:49 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 981
Location: Kitale
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.

I agree

and by extension, so @obiero you too agree you are being ripped off buying into this loss making monkey with negative NAV and living on borrowed time from the creditors.
Eti nilisikia kamtu fulani kakisema the adverse loss position of kq will improve to what loss position? that's an insult of the highest order to investors Intel.

ukitoka ICU to general ward lazima tufurahi... KQ was ill but is now recovering under operation pride and will soon turn healthy.. just saying.. BTW PJT have finalised strategic investor funding worth USD 0.6B to be made public in next few weeks


@obiero you are not afraid of dilution due to KES 60B injection by a new investor? An entry of fresh strategic investor will dampen market excitement.

no.. I am not worried.. The price rise will out strip the effects of dilution


Exchuse me,is this a thread for Nairobi Business Venture or KQ? Admin should lecture people on discipline.Wakati nitakuwa veteran nitapiga kelele sana.
Kwa sahi mi ni member tu and im growing slowly.
Dont work for money.Let your money work for you.
ARAP CHARLES
#57 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:01:51 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 5/30/2016
Posts: 199
Location: Talai
My thoughts to. KQ is trending over other threads.
Watch and Listen and Live
muandiwambeu
#58 Posted : Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:46:11 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 763
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.

I agree

and by extension, so @obiero you too agree you are being ripped off buying into this loss making monkey with negative NAV and living on borrowed time from the creditors.
Eti nilisikia kamtu fulani kakisema the adverse loss position of kq will improve to what loss position? that's an insult of the highest order to investors Intel.

ukitoka ICU to general ward lazima tufurahi... KQ was ill but is now recovering under operation pride and will soon turn healthy.. just saying.. BTW PJT have finalised strategic investor funding worth USD 0.6B to be made public in next few weeks


the mortician just knocked on the door and will be confirmed ready to inter the belly up dude once the right fee is set.
you see @obiero every piece is falling into place and systematically.
the dude had under done the pull plug pills(under dose ya kumi kumi)-project mawingu n had to be resuscitated to seal that will. that's over and well done. Now he is smiling at a jar full of marathion-more debts, sold assets to finance thieving schemes, tenderprenuers, leasing planes, sale of pivotal London slot, shocker wage bills.
faretheewell. this is a tragedy.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#59 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2016 7:28:57 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 7,644
Location: nairobi
Ebenyo wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
85m in revenue and trade price of KES 8 while KQ has annual revenue of over 110b and we say it's worth KES 4.20 per share


Your analogy is misleading. There are other metrics to be considered like NAV and EPS when pricing a share. Going by your analogy very few shares would be priced higher than KQ . And I'm not saying this share is trading at fair value, I actually don't know how much it's worth. At least for KQ i know it's worth sub zero.

ofcourse I had to be economical with fact. but it's true that only Safaricom as the other listed firm at NSE that has higher annual turnover than KQ .. EABL a distant third circa 75B. anyhow, how exactly did you arrive at sub zero valuation.. this is interesting


Simple,if KQ was to be shut down today all assets sold and liabilities paid shareholders would find themselves on the negative. But luckily the liability is limited so they'll walk out with zero bob each.

We have told @Obiero a thousand times nobody cares about revenue!!! Revenue is not profit. What matters is profit. I would rather have a revenue of 2 million and a profit of 1 million than a revenue of 110 Billion and LOSS of 27 Billion!!!

@maich that is fine.. but if your mpesa shop gets robbed by some Ygeneration staff do you sell off the business or try bring it back up

I have no problem with anyone trying to revive a business. Not at all. That's a different topic all together. All I am saying is that Revenue doesn't count for anything! All business have revenue - including Airtel (and all the other names they have used before) which has never made a single cent in profit since they set foot in Kenya! What matters is profit. Profit!!! That's money in your pocket. Hiyo ingine yote ni kelele!!

Even when they were making profits, KQ's profit to revenue ratio was dismal! Something like 5 cents to the shilling. And those were the "good old days"!!! Sasa ni losses galore! Why would anyone care about revenue when a company is making record breaking losses???

your points are valid.. however larger revenue implies possibility of larger profit. one can not make a profit of 1m with revenue of 200k. sounds simplistic but you get the point



But one can make a profit of 1m with 200k cost.

true..



@obiero other things is just common sense. Not even profound education can liberate an individual from this so called huge revenue. It is about PROFIT . I told you in another thread that I do make up to 8000% profit. My revenues are small though awesome returns. The motivating factor in any business especially limited companies is to maximise growth of shareholder wealth.

I agree

and by extension, so @obiero you too agree you are being ripped off buying into this loss making monkey with negative NAV and living on borrowed time from the creditors.
Eti nilisikia kamtu fulani kakisema the adverse loss position of kq will improve to what loss position? that's an insult of the highest order to investors Intel.

ukitoka ICU to general ward lazima tufurahi... KQ was ill but is now recovering under operation pride and will soon turn healthy.. just saying.. BTW PJT have finalised strategic investor funding worth USD 0.6B to be made public in next few weeks


@obiero you are not afraid of dilution due to KES 60B injection by a new investor? An entry of fresh strategic investor will dampen market excitement.

no.. I am not worried.. The price rise will out strip the effects of dilution


Exchuse me,is this a thread for Nairobi Business Venture or KQ? Admin should lecture people on discipline.Wakati nitakuwa veteran nitapiga kelele sana.
Kwa sahi mi ni member tu and im growing slowly.

lol.. there are no lanes in discussions, plus there was a comparison that led to the trend
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Fyatu
#60 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 12:27:22 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 925
Location: Nakuru
mkate_nusu wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nairobi Business Ventures (NBV) listing

http://www.businessdaily.../-/deuv0jz/-/index.html

another fishy muindi company....


Muindi can shaft you from many directions and worst part you wont see it coming.



hehehehehe....Mzungu shafted me badly in Atlas Africa Industries(ADSS) after i bought the Ethiopian beer consumption stories lakini hapa kuna mambo.

P.S. You can read the whole thread and see how some wazua posters should not be taken seriously as they know nothing about business
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