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RAILA WITHDRAWS from Oct polls; Demands Fresh Elections
Dahatre
#71 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:39:43 PM
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alma1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
So what is the legitimacy of the legislature under these circumstances? Or is the SC the only arm with ability to act (assuming the executive is hamstrung?)


I think Parliament can legislate to take away the lacuna in law


That horse already bolted. They can't legislate on the past. Hio maneno of those laws they were creating just died a sad death.

On another note, Murchr, how is Jubilee soooo behind this fella. He's running circles around Jubilee fellas mpaka you have to wonder if he doesn't have a mole.

Surely, we even have a thread on wazua talking about Raila leaving the country and giving up. Why oh why are they always caught with their ninios in Njunge's hole in the ground with warm water? smile smile smile

Or is it because they have left legislating to bloggers? As long as you tweet hard enough and facebook hard enough, you are ok must be the motto.

Sasa ona ile chinda mumeturetea hapa.


How so? Isn't any constitutional amendment legislating the past i.e correcting oversights that may not have been foreseen in the initial writing of the constitution?
murchr
#72 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:46:50 PM
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alma1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
So what is the legitimacy of the legislature under these circumstances? Or is the SC the only arm with ability to act (assuming the executive is hamstrung?)


I think Parliament can legislate to take away the lacuna in law


That horse already bolted. They can't legislate on the past. Hio maneno of those laws they were creating just died a sad death.

On another note, Murchr, how is Jubilee soooo behind this fella. He's running circles around Jubilee fellas mpaka you have to wonder if he doesn't have a mole.

Surely, we even have a thread on wazua talking about Raila leaving the country and giving up. Why oh why are they always caught with their ninios in Njunge's hole in the ground with warm water? smile smile smile

Or is it because they have left legislating to bloggers? As long as you tweet hard enough and facebook hard enough, you are ok must be the motto.

Sasa ona ile chinda mumeturetea hapa.



What has bolted? Kesho bunge iko kazi
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hardwood
#73 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:48:49 PM
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Dahatre wrote:
alma1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
So what is the legitimacy of the legislature under these circumstances? Or is the SC the only arm with ability to act (assuming the executive is hamstrung?)


I think Parliament can legislate to take away the lacuna in law


That horse already bolted. They can't legislate on the past. Hio maneno of those laws they were creating just died a sad death.

On another note, Murchr, how is Jubilee soooo behind this fella. He's running circles around Jubilee fellas mpaka you have to wonder if he doesn't have a mole.

Surely, we even have a thread on wazua talking about Raila leaving the country and giving up. Why oh why are they always caught with their ninios in Njunge's hole in the ground with warm water? smile smile smile

Or is it because they have left legislating to bloggers? As long as you tweet hard enough and facebook hard enough, you are ok must be the motto.

Sasa ona ile chinda mumeturetea hapa.


How so? Isn't any constitutional amendment legislating the past i.e correcting oversights that may not have been foreseen in the initial writing of the constitution?


Jubilee should fix all "bugs" in our electoral laws ASAP. By 26/10. To ensure our legal software is running smoothly.
Ryko
#74 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:51:13 PM
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Looks to me Nasa has a sharp battalion of Lawyers... how come Jubilee is this weak, their legal minds are in another world
Its not Baba vs Uhuru, it is Nasa Constitutional Lawyers vs Uhuru and they are smashing every move Uhuru is making. As Uhuru trys to fix this Nasa lawyers will have manufactured another circus.

Seems to me Jubilee is always late.... and it has dawned on all of us we are heading for a Caretaker Govt.




its clear to the world Uhurus team of lawyers is pure shyt..
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murchr
#75 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59:37 PM
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Ryko wrote:
Looks to me Nasa has a sharp battalion of Lawyers... how come Jubilee is this weak, their legal minds are in another world
Its not Baba vs Uhuru, it is Nasa Constitutional Lawyers vs Uhuru and they are smashing every move Uhuru is making. As Uhuru trys to fix this Nasa lawyers will have manufactured another circus.

Seems to me Jubilee is always late.... and it has dawned on all of us we are heading for a Caretaker Govt.



This was foreseen hence the law making process in parliament. The law is vague. What matters is just how the parties arguing it out and the judges interpreting the law decide.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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2012
#76 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:00:45 PM
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C/P

Chronology of events and what is to happen today, tomorrow, Thursday and on 01st November, 2017:

1. Jubilee started planning to rig 2017 polls right after fraudulently being declared winners at 2013 polls.

2. Little did they know that in their camp of rigging ring team, Raila had his own informers. They briefed him all through. The reasons why Uhuruto would brag how already they won 2017 polls years even before 8/8/2017.

3. Raila was much aware the 2017 polls are going to be rigged. He prepared Musalia and Kalonzo adequately in advance. They made a pact. They knew the game plan.

4. During campaigns, Raila started collecting evidence of poll rigging secretly. He made sure Jubilee are not aware of this scheme by making public known that after 8/8/2017 he will not be going to the courts. He repeated this statement until it deeply sunk into Jubilee leadership and state security sleuths.

5. When polls opened, Raila intensified collecting evidence of elections fraud behind the scenes. Uhuru was declared the winner and Raila continued collecting evidence. For those who may not know, Raila had close to 200 lawyers and security experts who collected evidence nation wide without attracting Jubilee hawk eyed sleuths.

6. As preparation to swear in Uhuru were ongoing at Kasarani stadium, Raila was busy putting together his petition dossiers. All this were happening right within his private residential compound. There was fully fledged secretarial office in Raila's compound. Raila succeeded in keeping the entire work off Jubilee eyes.

7. Just 2 days to the deadline of filing petition, Raila makes a statement that he is headed to the courts. Jubilee swipes jokes against the name of Raila and wondered how he will collect evidence within a span of 48hrs. Jubilee had prepared to meet Raila on streets and kill as many Kenyans as possible through protests then hand over Raila to ICC. Jubilee continued preparing to meet Raila in streets as Raila was busy preparing to meet Jubilee in supreme court.

8. The last day to file petition comes. The entire day, Raila does not show up at supreme court to file a petition. Jubilee MPS start mocking Raila. At around 9PM, Raila arrives at supreme court with a lorry canter fully loaded with poll rigging evidence. Petition filing goes up to past mid night. This gets Jubilee off the mark. Raila surprised the entire nation.

9. Supreme court, nullifies Uhuru's win. Jubilee machinery goes into frenzy of insulting Judiciary and Raila. Raila remains unmoved. Raila then issues terms under which he will participate into the repeat polls. Raila says, failure to address the irreducible minimums, THERE WILL BE NO ELECTIONS. Jubilee laughs off as a silly joke.

10. IEBC fails to enact irreducible minimums. By the way, Raila expected to go this way. Today, Raila withdraws from the repeat polls. Instead of Jubilee celebrating, they are mute. I thought they should since they have been bragging that once Raila withdraws, they will sworn in Uhuru immediately. They know the legal implications. Raila now calls for FRESH PRESIDENTIAL POLLS within 90days. Meaning, parties will have to nominate candidates in a new way. This opens a window where Raila may endorse Musalia Mudavadi to battle out with Uhuru at the next fresh polls. But this DEPENDS ON THE PREVAILING CIRCUMSTANCES.

11. In case Raila decides to name Musalia as the NASA flag bearer, it will wash down all the gains Uhuru has made in Luhyaland. All Luhya leaders who had decamped to Uhuru's train will have to make an abrupt about turn and support Musalia. This will also bring in the ugly angle of rift valley politics where Gideon Moi will be forced to back Musalia because of the blood relation the 2 family enjoys. This will mark the end of Jubilee regime in Kenya. Making Ruto the official opposition leader.

Now, this evening Kalonzo Musyoka is to fly out to address an European senate.

Tomorrow, Raila jets out to give key international address.

Thursday, Musalia Mudavadi to fly out too to Europe to meet certain administration.

Come 01st November, 2017, NASA will then launch fresh presidential election in Nairobi, Kenya.

If he pulls this off, then today we could have gotten a mightier professor of politics in Raila Amollo Odinga only losing by a slight margin to Moi because he managed to get the seat. May the good God bless Kenya!



-So that was the plan BUT there was one serious oversight, a different interpretation of the law could hand Uhuru his easiest win ever.


BBI will solve it
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Lolest!
#77 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:02:40 PM
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and it has dawned on all of us we are heading for a Caretaker Govt.

Caretaker? From which law???
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Ryko
#78 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:05:15 PM
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murchr wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Looks to me Nasa has a sharp battalion of Lawyers... how come Jubilee is this weak, their legal minds are in another world
Its not Baba vs Uhuru, it is Nasa Constitutional Lawyers vs Uhuru and they are smashing every move Uhuru is making. As Uhuru trys to fix this Nasa lawyers will have manufactured another circus.

Seems to me Jubilee is always late.... and it has dawned on all of us we are heading for a Caretaker Govt.



This was foreseen hence the law making process in parliament. The law is vague. What matters is just how the parties arguing it out and the judges interpreting the law decide.


My brother @Murchr lets be real here please, NASA constitutional lawyers are urinating all over Jubilee.
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Lolest!
#79 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:12:01 PM
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If the Section from Elections Regulations that was quoted in this thread was passed this year, then forget whatever Supreme Court ruled in 2013.

It's irrelevant. Parliament can make and remove laws anytime including after courts make interpretation of a certain law. Bunge just makes amendments to make itself clear
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murchr
#80 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:26:43 PM
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Ryko wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Looks to me Nasa has a sharp battalion of Lawyers... how come Jubilee is this weak, their legal minds are in another world
Its not Baba vs Uhuru, it is Nasa Constitutional Lawyers vs Uhuru and they are smashing every move Uhuru is making. As Uhuru trys to fix this Nasa lawyers will have manufactured another circus.

Seems to me Jubilee is always late.... and it has dawned on all of us we are heading for a Caretaker Govt.



This was foreseen hence the law making process in parliament. The law is vague. What matters is just how the parties arguing it out and the judges interpreting the law decide.


My brother @Murchr lets be real here please, NASA constitutional lawyers are urinating all over Jubilee.


That's bar talk
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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