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Portfolio Balancing: Avoid Over Exposure To Financial Sector
VituVingiSana
#101 Posted : Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:12:42 PM
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obiero wrote:
Mkondoa Macho wrote:
Banks have been taking a beating lately. The only bank that is thriving is Diamond Trust because it is geographically diversified. Other banks should start focusing on subsidiaries in other nations. Locally, they should think of alternative revenue streams to improve profitability. Unfortunately, they cant boost volumes with the low margins because it would essentially mean risky lending. The banking bonanza in Kenya is over. Banks better pay attention to their subsidiaries where there are no caps.

I could be wrong but I think I&M, KCB, Equity & COOP are also present beyond Kenya

The ex-Kenya operations for these 3 are less than 20% of their total business. Kenya remains "king" for these banks. That said, Equity and I&M have been increasing their ex-Kenya presence.
Equity - Procredit in DRC has replaced South Sudan
I&M - BankOne in Mauritius has been growing in importance
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obiero
#102 Posted : Saturday, September 02, 2017 9:22:09 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mkondoa Macho wrote:
Banks have been taking a beating lately. The only bank that is thriving is Diamond Trust because it is geographically diversified. Other banks should start focusing on subsidiaries in other nations. Locally, they should think of alternative revenue streams to improve profitability. Unfortunately, they cant boost volumes with the low margins because it would essentially mean risky lending. The banking bonanza in Kenya is over. Banks better pay attention to their subsidiaries where there are no caps.

I could be wrong but I think I&M, KCB, Equity & COOP are also present beyond Kenya

The ex-Kenya operations for these 3 are less than 20% of their total business. Kenya remains "king" for these banks. That said, Equity and I&M have been increasing their ex-Kenya presence.
Equity - Procredit in DRC has replaced South Sudan
I&M - BankOne in Mauritius has been growing in importance

It would take a miracle for a Kenyan bank to be the largest bank in a foreign country without adequate government holding by the foreign state.. Meanwhile, sell all bank stocks apart from COOP & KCB, if you have to hold
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Ebenyo
#103 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 7:38:28 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mkondoa Macho wrote:
Banks have been taking a beating lately. The only bank that is thriving is Diamond Trust because it is geographically diversified. Other banks should start focusing on subsidiaries in other nations. Locally, they should think of alternative revenue streams to improve profitability. Unfortunately, they cant boost volumes with the low margins because it would essentially mean risky lending. The banking bonanza in Kenya is over. Banks better pay attention to their subsidiaries where there are no caps.

I could be wrong but I think I&M, KCB, Equity & COOP are also present beyond Kenya

The ex-Kenya operations for these 3 are less than 20% of their total business. Kenya remains "king" for these banks. That said, Equity and I&M have been increasing their ex-Kenya presence.
Equity - Procredit in DRC has replaced South Sudan
I&M - BankOne in Mauritius has been growing in importance

It would take a miracle for a Kenyan bank to be the largest bank in a foreign country without adequate government holding by the foreign state.. Meanwhile, sell all bank stocks apart from COOP & KCB, if you have to hold


Great point indeed.Co-op did well to patner with govt of south sudan.That will aid their growth their in the long run.
Dont work for money.Let your money work for you.
obiero
#104 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:21:36 AM
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Ebenyo wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mkondoa Macho wrote:
Banks have been taking a beating lately. The only bank that is thriving is Diamond Trust because it is geographically diversified. Other banks should start focusing on subsidiaries in other nations. Locally, they should think of alternative revenue streams to improve profitability. Unfortunately, they cant boost volumes with the low margins because it would essentially mean risky lending. The banking bonanza in Kenya is over. Banks better pay attention to their subsidiaries where there are no caps.

I could be wrong but I think I&M,
Equity & COOP are also present beyond Kenya

The ex-Kenya operations for these 3 are less than 20% of their total business. Kenya remains "king" for these banks. That said, Equity and I&M have been increasing their ex-Kenya presence.
Equity - Procredit in DRC has replaced South Sudan
I&M - BankOne in Mauritius has been growing in importance

It would take a miracle for a Kenyan bank to be the largest bank in a foreign country without adequate government holding by the foreign state.. Meanwhile, sell all bank stocks apart from COOP & KCB, if you have to hold


Great point indeed.Co-op did well to patner with govt of south sudan.That will aid their growth their in the long run.

And COOP is now leasing vehicles to GoK.. Very innovative thinking by the Kingdom bank http://www.businessdaily...78614-mpnoedz/index.html
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obiero
#105 Posted : Monday, October 02, 2017 7:25:38 PM
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Please read this thread carefully and remember me within the next 24 days.
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obiero
#106 Posted : Friday, October 06, 2017 2:48:33 PM
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I sent out a warning late last year but some did not listen. Now look http://www.businessdaily...127740-pjse5m/index.html
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Ericsson
#107 Posted : Friday, October 06, 2017 3:57:41 PM
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[quote=obiero]I sent out a warning late last year but some did not listen. Now look http://www.businessdaily...27740-pjse5m/index.html[/quote]

“Today’s rating action is driven primarily by a potential weakening of the Kenyan government’s credit profile, in particular in the country’s fiscal strength and liquidity risk, as captured by Moody’s recent decision to place Kenya’s B1 government ratings on review for downgrade,” agency said in a statement.
winmak
#108 Posted : Friday, October 06, 2017 5:16:25 PM
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What does all this mean? I believe there is no direct effect on day to day operations
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Angelica _ann
#109 Posted : Friday, October 06, 2017 5:19:26 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
[quote=obiero]I sent out a warning late last year but some did not listen. Now look http://www.businessdaily...27740-pjse5m/index.html[/quote]

“Today’s rating action is driven primarily by a potential weakening of the Kenyan government’s credit profile, in particular in the country’s fiscal strength and liquidity risk, as captured by Moody’s recent decision to place Kenya’s B1 government ratings on review for downgrade,” agency said in a statement.



But this will definitely make cost of international credit to Kenya more expensive?
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
obiero
#110 Posted : Friday, October 06, 2017 7:02:31 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
[quote=obiero]I sent out a warning late last year but some did not listen. Now look http://www.businessdaily...27740-pjse5m/index.html[/quote]

“Today’s rating action is driven primarily by a potential weakening of the Kenyan government’s credit profile, in particular in the country’s fiscal strength and liquidity risk, as captured by Moody’s recent decision to place Kenya’s B1 government ratings on review for downgrade,” agency said in a statement.



But this will definitely make cost of international credit to Kenya more expensive?

That is the truth.. I told you the two men are no good for this nation
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Ebenyo
#111 Posted : Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:47:59 AM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
[quote=obiero]I sent out a warning late last year but some did not listen. Now look http://www.businessdaily...27740-pjse5m/index.html[/quote]

“Today’s rating action is driven primarily by a potential weakening of the Kenyan government’s credit profile, in particular in the country’s fiscal strength and liquidity risk, as captured by Moody’s recent decision to place Kenya’s B1 government ratings on review for downgrade,” agency said in a statement.



But this will definitely make cost of international credit to Kenya more expensive?

That is the truth.. I told you the two men are no good for this nation



I prefer Raila.He is good for our economy and i believe as investors,we will reap big returns under his leadership or whomever he will pass the baton to.
Dont work for money.Let your money work for you.
maka
#112 Posted : Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:58:32 PM
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winmak wrote:
What does all this mean? I believe there is no direct effect on day to day operations


Effect on which operations?
possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#113 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 7:03:17 AM
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maka wrote:
winmak wrote:
What does all this mean? I believe there is no direct effect on day to day operations


Effect on which operations?

I don't know which operations are being referred to but here is a good piece on the stressed financial industry http://www.businessdaily...30540-upnp5dz/index.html
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obiero
#114 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:40:30 AM
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Deep slide down is anticipated next week. Massive losses are on the way. NSE 20 likely to test 3,200-3,300. Foreigner effects at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...145702-4rgrcw/index.html
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Spikes
#115 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:50:42 AM
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[quote=obiero]Deep slide down is anticipated next week. Massive losses are on the way. NSE 20 likely to test 3,200-3,300. Foreigner effects at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...45702-4rgrcw/index.html[/quote]

Elder you've spoken. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
John 1:46 "Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?" Nathaniel asked ."Come and see," said Philip.
obiero
#116 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:55:43 AM
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Spikes wrote:
[quote=obiero]Deep slide down is anticipated next week. Massive losses are on the way. NSE 20 likely to test 3,200-3,300. Foreigner effects at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...45702-4rgrcw/index.html[/quote]

Elder you've spoken. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Like 10 veterans combined 😁
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mamilli
#117 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 10:59:48 AM
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[quote=obiero]Deep slide down is anticipated next week. Massive losses are on the way. NSE 20 likely to test 3,200-3,300. Foreigner effects at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...45702-4rgrcw/index.html[/quote]

May your projections be realised.I am a net buyer at this point in time and armed to the teeth should the NSE20 get to those levels.
its all about the cheddar....
Ericsson
#118 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:02:44 AM
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mamilli wrote:
[quote=obiero]Deep slide down is anticipated next week. Massive losses are on the way. NSE 20 likely to test 3,200-3,300. Foreigner effects at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...45702-4rgrcw/index.html[/quote]

May your projections be realised.I am a net buyer at this point in time and armed to the teeth should the NSE20 get to those levels.


Prices to fall to levels we saw in February this year
Angelica _ann
#119 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:27:56 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
mamilli wrote:
[quote=obiero]Deep slide down is anticipated next week. Massive losses are on the way. NSE 20 likely to test 3,200-3,300. Foreigner effects at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...45702-4rgrcw/index.html[/quote]

May your projections be realised.I am a net buyer at this point in time and armed to the teeth should the NSE20 get to those levels.


Prices to fall to levels we saw in February this year


The anticipated downside won't happen, market is irrational to your expectationssmile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
wukan
#120 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:43:17 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mamilli wrote:
[quote=obiero]Deep slide down is anticipated next week. Massive losses are on the way. NSE 20 likely to test 3,200-3,300. Foreigner effects at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...45702-4rgrcw/index.html[/quote]

May your projections be realised.I am a net buyer at this point in time and armed to the teeth should the NSE20 get to those levels.


Prices to fall to levels we saw in February this year


The anticipated downside won't happen, market is irrational to your expectationssmile


O ye, of little faith the storm cometh
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