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Now we can reveal what Naswa mean when they say ‘there shall be no election’
• It doesn’t mean that they will boycott the election
• It doesn’t mean that they will ask their supporters to refrain from voting
• It doesn’t mean that there will be violence to such a scale that a free and fair election will not be possible
• It doesn’t mean that their principle will withdraw from the race…
They simply mean, the election that will be carried out will not be a valid election…..coz an election is not an election if not carried within the law.
Now, we must ask, what is the law of election? And what can make an election be invalidated? Going by the SCork ruling, process is as important, if not more important than the actual votes cast…and this is now law ‘by precedence’. On process, many things can go wrong when engaging in an election of this scale. From returning officers being ‘kidnapped’ or disappearing conveniently hence not able to sign the Form 34Bs, Jamming of network, use of wrong forms, etc etc. And someone can easily manufacture any of these flaws.
Why Naswa appear confident that the election will not be conducted ‘within the law’ or why someone should anticipate / wish for such eventuality is something I don’t quite understand. It could only mean someone is being mischievous.
However it is my considered opinion that the answer to this ‘mischief’ lies in the proposed amendments coz even if IEBC prepare 100% perfectly, someone can still deliberately cause things to go wrong on election day. Or what do you think?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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limanika wrote:Now we can reveal what Naswa mean when they say ‘there shall be no election’
• It doesn’t mean that they will boycott the election
• It doesn’t mean that they will ask their supporters to refrain from voting
• It doesn’t mean that there will be violence to such a scale that a free and fair election will not be possible
• It doesn’t mean that their principle will withdraw from the race…
They simply mean, the election that will be carried out will not be a valid election…..coz an election is not an election if not carried within the law.
Now, we must ask, what is the law of election? And what can make an election be invalidated? Going by the SCork ruling, process is as important, if not more important than the actual votes cast…and this is now law ‘by precedence’. On process, many things can go wrong when engaging in an election of this scale. From returning officers being ‘kidnapped’ or disappearing conveniently hence not able to sign the Form 34Bs, Jamming of network, use of wrong forms, etc etc. And someone can easily manufacture any of these flaws.
Why Naswa appear confident that the election will not be conducted ‘within the law’ or why someone should anticipate / wish for such eventuality is something I don’t quite understand. It could only mean someone is being mischievous.
However it is my considered opinion that the answer to this ‘mischief’ lies in the proposed amendments coz even if IEBC prepare 100% perfectly, someone can still deliberately cause things to go wrong on election day. Or what do you think?
Be kind enough to acknowledge the source of your write-up  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Angelica _ann wrote:limanika wrote:Now we can reveal what Naswa mean when they say ‘there shall be no election’
• It doesn’t mean that they will boycott the election
• It doesn’t mean that they will ask their supporters to refrain from voting
• It doesn’t mean that there will be violence to such a scale that a free and fair election will not be possible
• It doesn’t mean that their principle will withdraw from the race…
They simply mean, the election that will be carried out will not be a valid election…..coz an election is not an election if not carried within the law.
Now, we must ask, what is the law of election? And what can make an election be invalidated? Going by the SCork ruling, process is as important, if not more important than the actual votes cast…and this is now law ‘by precedence’. On process, many things can go wrong when engaging in an election of this scale. From returning officers being ‘kidnapped’ or disappearing conveniently hence not able to sign the Form 34Bs, Jamming of network, use of wrong forms, etc etc. And someone can easily manufacture any of these flaws.
Why Naswa appear confident that the election will not be conducted ‘within the law’ or why someone should anticipate / wish for such eventuality is something I don’t quite understand. It could only mean someone is being mischievous.
However it is my considered opinion that the answer to this ‘mischief’ lies in the proposed amendments coz even if IEBC prepare 100% perfectly, someone can still deliberately cause things to go wrong on election day. Or what do you think?
Be kind enough to acknowledge the source of your write-up Mwenye macho haambiwi tazama
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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It means as long as Baba does not win, there will be no election. When he wins, that will be an election. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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 "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? The greatest act of bravery is chancing a fart while suffering from diarrhoea
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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No elections means: Why participate in elections and lose everything while you can force a nusu mkate and get something?
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last man standing becomes president. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last man standing becomes president. Now I understand why Ruto has not been yapping about this amendments to the electoral laws the way he is known to do on stuff against Baba  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last man standing becomes president. What you guys fail to see is that Aliar mutates very fast. Since 1/9, he has toyed with many ideas...e.g. pulling out, boycotting, asking supporters not to vote, civil disobedience leading to and on election day, etc. It must have occurred to him that none of these will work, especially with uncle sam et al carefully watching. Hence the option on the table is....let status quo remain. He knows it is almost impossible for an exercise such as national election to go on smoothly 100%. There is almost 100% chance something somewhere will not work (process). And if process is not perfect, election is not perfect and stands to be nullified again. And maybe these imperfections can be easily 'created' on election day, to an appreciable scale
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last man standing becomes president. What you guys fail to see is that Aliar mutates very fast. Since 1/9, he has toyed with many ideas...e.g. pulling out, boycotting, asking supporters not to vote, civil disobedience leading to and on election day, etc. It must have occurred to him that none of these will work, especially with uncle sam et al carefully watching. Hence the option on the table is....let status quo remain. He knows it is almost impossible for an exercise such as national election to go on smoothly 100%. There is almost 100% chance something somewhere will not work (process). And if process is not perfect, election is not perfect and stands to be nullified again. And maybe these imperfections can be easily 'created' on election day, to an appreciable scale I can assure you that the Supreme Court will not nullify the elections again based on these minor short-comings. We all know that the people manning the over 40,000 polling stations and their clerks are temporarily staff hired for 2 weeks. How do you expect all the over 120,000 vibaruas to get everything right? How do you expect them to all be good caring citizens? Some things will go wrong, but not wrong enough to change the final results.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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2012 wrote:limanika wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last man standing becomes president. What you guys fail to see is that Aliar mutates very fast. Since 1/9, he has toyed with many ideas...e.g. pulling out, boycotting, asking supporters not to vote, civil disobedience leading to and on election day, etc. It must have occurred to him that none of these will work, especially with uncle sam et al carefully watching. Hence the option on the table is....let status quo remain. He knows it is almost impossible for an exercise such as national election to go on smoothly 100%. There is almost 100% chance something somewhere will not work (process). And if process is not perfect, election is not perfect and stands to be nullified again. And maybe these imperfections can be easily 'created' on election day, to an appreciable scale I can assure you that the Supreme Court will not nullify the elections again based on these minor short-comings. We all know that the people manning the over 40,000 polling stations and their clerks are temporarily staff hired for 2 weeks. How do you expect all the over 120,000 vibaruas to get everything right? How do you expect them to all be good caring citizens? Some things will go wrong, but not wrong enough to change the final results. Not with the black-hearted(Roho mbaya, roho chafu) philomena mwilu and the cowardly and demonic Maraga at the helm. Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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2012 wrote:limanika wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last man standing becomes president. What you guys fail to see is that Aliar mutates very fast. Since 1/9, he has toyed with many ideas...e.g. pulling out, boycotting, asking supporters not to vote, civil disobedience leading to and on election day, etc. It must have occurred to him that none of these will work, especially with uncle sam et al carefully watching. Hence the option on the table is....let status quo remain. He knows it is almost impossible for an exercise such as national election to go on smoothly 100%. There is almost 100% chance something somewhere will not work (process). And if process is not perfect, election is not perfect and stands to be nullified again. And maybe these imperfections can be easily 'created' on election day, to an appreciable scale I can assure you that the Supreme Court will not nullify the elections again based on these minor short-comings. We all know that the people manning the over 40,000 polling stations and their clerks are temporarily staff hired for 2 weeks. How do you expect all the over 120,000 vibaruas to get everything right? How do you expect them to all be good caring citizens? Some things will go wrong, but not wrong enough to change the final results. Don't be too confident. Last time the election was nullified on the basis of flaws in the process, without checking if these flaws indeed had any appreciable impact on the result. Now crooked naswa only need to 'manufacture' a little more flaws than last time and we are back to the woods. Coz judges tend to stick to particular line of thought...if naswa can prove the iregularities were even more than last time, the same jury may just nullify or else they lose credibility. The ego thing.
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limanika wrote:2012 wrote:limanika wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last man standing becomes president. What you guys fail to see is that Aliar mutates very fast. Since 1/9, he has toyed with many ideas...e.g. pulling out, boycotting, asking supporters not to vote, civil disobedience leading to and on election day, etc. It must have occurred to him that none of these will work, especially with uncle sam et al carefully watching. Hence the option on the table is....let status quo remain. He knows it is almost impossible for an exercise such as national election to go on smoothly 100%. There is almost 100% chance something somewhere will not work (process). And if process is not perfect, election is not perfect and stands to be nullified again. And maybe these imperfections can be easily 'created' on election day, to an appreciable scale I can assure you that the Supreme Court will not nullify the elections again based on these minor short-comings. We all know that the people manning the over 40,000 polling stations and their clerks are temporarily staff hired for 2 weeks. How do you expect all the over 120,000 vibaruas to get everything right? How do you expect them to all be good caring citizens? Some things will go wrong, but not wrong enough to change the final results. Don't be too confident. Last time the election was nullified on the basis of flaws in the process, without checking if these flaws indeed had any appreciable impact on the result. Now crooked naswa only need to 'manufacture' a little more flaws than last time and we are back to the woods. Coz judges tend to stick to particular line of thought...if naswa can prove the iregularities were even more than last time, the same jury may just nullify or else they lose credibility. The ego thing. NASA will call upon the supreme court to re-redeem itself once more and Mwilu and Maraga will only be too willing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:2012 wrote:limanika wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last man standing becomes president. What you guys fail to see is that Aliar mutates very fast. Since 1/9, he has toyed with many ideas...e.g. pulling out, boycotting, asking supporters not to vote, civil disobedience leading to and on election day, etc. It must have occurred to him that none of these will work, especially with uncle sam et al carefully watching. Hence the option on the table is....let status quo remain. He knows it is almost impossible for an exercise such as national election to go on smoothly 100%. There is almost 100% chance something somewhere will not work (process). And if process is not perfect, election is not perfect and stands to be nullified again. And maybe these imperfections can be easily 'created' on election day, to an appreciable scale I can assure you that the Supreme Court will not nullify the elections again based on these minor short-comings. We all know that the people manning the over 40,000 polling stations and their clerks are temporarily staff hired for 2 weeks. How do you expect all the over 120,000 vibaruas to get everything right? How do you expect them to all be good caring citizens? Some things will go wrong, but not wrong enough to change the final results. Don't be too confident. Last time the election was nullified on the basis of flaws in the process, without checking if these flaws indeed had any appreciable impact on the result. Now crooked naswa only need to 'manufacture' a little more flaws than last time and we are back to the woods. Coz judges tend to stick to particular line of thought...if naswa can prove the iregularities were even more than last time, the same jury may just nullify or else they lose credibility. The ego thing. I hear you and agree. If you read today's paper, you'll also see what Chebukati has promised. He will be guided and abide fully by what the Supreme Court said and not what politicians want. I wonder why it took him so long to see this because it is obvious that whoever loses will go to court even if the elections were done by the UN or Vatican.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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2012 wrote:limanika wrote:2012 wrote:limanika wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last many standing becomes president. What you guys fail to see is that Aliar mutates very fast. Since 1/9, he has toyed with many ideas...e.g. pulling out, boycotting, asking supporters not to vote, civil disobedience leading to and on election day, etc. It must have occurred to him that none of these will work, especially with uncle sam et al carefully watching. Hence the option on the table is....let status quo remain. He knows it is almost impossible for an exercise such as national election to go on smoothly 100%. There is almost 100% chance something somewhere will not work (process). And if process is not perfect, election is not perfect and stands to be nullified again. And maybe these imperfections can be easily 'created' on election day, to an appreciable scale I can assure you that the Supreme Court will not nullify the elections again based on these minor short-comings. We all know that the people manning the over 40,000 polling stations and their clerks are temporarily staff hired for 2 weeks. How do you expect all the over 120,000 vibaruas to get everything right? How do you expect them to all be good caring citizens? Some things will go wrong, but not wrong enough to change the final results. Don't be too confident. Last time the election was nullified on the basis of flaws in the process, without checking if these flaws indeed had any appreciable impact on the result. Now crooked naswa only need to 'manufacture' a little more flaws than last time and we are back to the woods. Coz judges tend to stick to particular line of thought...if naswa can prove the iregularities were even more than last time, the same jury may just nullify or else they lose credibility. The ego thing. I hear you and agree. If you read today's paper, you'll also see what Chebukati has promised. He will be guided and abide fully by what the Supreme Court said and not what politicians want. I wonder why it took him so long to see this because it is obvious that whoever loses will go to court even if the elections were done by the UN or Vatican. By the way chebukati is the one man who can make us avoid another nullification. That's why am surprised jubilee don't have any demands on iebc
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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limanika wrote:2012 wrote:limanika wrote:2012 wrote:limanika wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:safariant wrote:Is that why Ekuru Aukot was dismissed? What is the interpretation of this? Babu wants to pull out of elections so that we can go for Fresh elections. Hence the amendment that if anyone pulls out, then the last many standing becomes president. What you guys fail to see is that Aliar mutates very fast. Since 1/9, he has toyed with many ideas...e.g. pulling out, boycotting, asking supporters not to vote, civil disobedience leading to and on election day, etc. It must have occurred to him that none of these will work, especially with uncle sam et al carefully watching. Hence the option on the table is....let status quo remain. He knows it is almost impossible for an exercise such as national election to go on smoothly 100%. There is almost 100% chance something somewhere will not work (process). And if process is not perfect, election is not perfect and stands to be nullified again. And maybe these imperfections can be easily 'created' on election day, to an appreciable scale I can assure you that the Supreme Court will not nullify the elections again based on these minor short-comings. We all know that the people manning the over 40,000 polling stations and their clerks are temporarily staff hired for 2 weeks. How do you expect all the over 120,000 vibaruas to get everything right? How do you expect them to all be good caring citizens? Some things will go wrong, but not wrong enough to change the final results. Don't be too confident. Last time the election was nullified on the basis of flaws in the process, without checking if these flaws indeed had any appreciable impact on the result. Now crooked naswa only need to 'manufacture' a little more flaws than last time and we are back to the woods. Coz judges tend to stick to particular line of thought...if naswa can prove the iregularities were even more than last time, the same jury may just nullify or else they lose credibility. The ego thing. I hear you and agree. If you read today's paper, you'll also see what Chebukati has promised. He will be guided and abide fully by what the Supreme Court said and not what politicians want. I wonder why it took him so long to see this because it is obvious that whoever loses will go to court even if the elections were done by the UN or Vatican. By the way chebukati is the one man who can make us avoid another nullification. That's why am surprised jubilee don't have any demands on iebc I think heaping new demAnds on iebc would be counter productive. IEBC wants to deliver, I think Jubilee is enough not to bog them down with more irreducible minimums. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Since the supreme court ruling, the whinning that has been coming from people who claim to have faced the river one cold morning is amazing. Every other thread has Supreme court ruling ... aish yawa!!!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Angelica _ann wrote:Since the supreme court ruling, the whinning that has been coming from people who claim to have faced the river one cold morning is amazing. Every other thread has Supreme court ruling ... aish yawa!!!!!! Sisi ni wapenda amani. We want to avoid confrontation because we have much to protect, otherwise usione simba amenyeshewa ukadhani ni paka. Let supreme Court annulled the re-run uone. i.am.back!!!!
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