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New election law amendment bill 2017
Bree
#41 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 8:17:57 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Own goal Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
masukuma
#42 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 10:29:30 AM
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Bree wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Own goal Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

As far as law is concerned, the kenyan state has 3 arms - independent and interdependent
1) the legistlative - to make laws
2) the judiciary - interpret the laws
3) the executive - to execute the laws!

last time there was a 'f*ck up' by an organ in the 3rd arm....someone rubbed in the 4-2 goal score by the 'majority' of one of those arms... sasa ni 144 - 53 cricket/basketball/rugby score! by the one that makes the law!

Seriously... we need to think about it, the IEBC is a constitutional body... made independent by that document that NASWA claims gives them the right to picket and mourn. (a philosophical tangential question - does the constitution 'give' rights or does it 'recognize' rights?).
The same constitution recognizes that legistlative arm of government MAKES laws... under the framework it sets out.
You run around, picket, state that you will block a LAWFUL ELECTION imposed by the courts because of the 'constitution', demand the disbandment (wish to force out of office an independent body) THEN cry foul when someone uses legal means to address his grievances with the Supreme court (which is also independent). No one should complain about or even seek to lawfully change the Courts since they are 'independent' but you can complain about the 'IEBC' and unlawfully seek to change the IEBC?

Surely!! The law is only good when it works for you?
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Liv
#43 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 11:58:39 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Bree wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Own goal Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

As far as law is concerned, the kenyan state has 3 arms - independent and interdependent
1) the legistlative - to make laws
2) the judiciary - interpret the laws
3) the executive - to execute the laws!

last time there was a 'f*ck up' by an organ in the 3rd arm....someone rubbed in the 4-2 goal score by the 'majority' of one of those arms... sasa ni 144 - 53 cricket/basketball/rugby score! by the one that makes the law!

Seriously... we need to think about it, the IEBC is a constitutional body... made independent by that document that NASWA claims gives them the right to picket and mourn. (a philosophical tangential question - does the constitution 'give' rights or does it 'recognize' rights?).
The same constitution recognizes that legistlative arm of government MAKES laws... under the framework it sets out.
You run around, picket, state that you will block a LAWFUL ELECTION imposed by the courts because of the 'constitution', demand the disbandment (wish to force out of office an independent body) THEN cry foul when someone uses legal means to address his grievances with the Supreme court (which is also independent). No one should complain about or even seek to lawfully change the Courts since they are 'independent' but you can complain about the 'IEBC' and unlawfully seek to change the IEBC?

Surely!! The law is only good when it works for you?


WORD
washiku
#44 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 3:14:38 PM
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So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.
quicksand
#45 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 5:18:59 PM
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washiku wrote:
So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.


Raila has blinked...says he is ready for poll if Uhuru shelves law review ... ....according to Nation website
murchr
#46 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 5:20:54 PM
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quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.


Raila has blinked...says he is ready for poll if Uhuru shelves law review ... ....according to Nation website



Uhuru will not shelve the law review. He can stay off elections if he wants to.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Bigchick
#47 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 5:28:38 PM
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quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.


Raila has blinked...says he is ready for poll if Uhuru shelves law review ... ....according to Nation website


For those who have read and understood the bill,does it advantage Jubilee at the expense of NASWA?Or is it evenning the ground for all?

As for Babu its best to ignore him.He has made too many demands,said so many lies,blamed everybody and anybody......so he is free to do whatever he deems fit. Chebukati said elections will be held on 26th October 2017.Those who do not want to participate are within their constitutional right to do so.

Otherwise #Tukutanekwadebe.
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quicksand
#48 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 5:39:37 PM
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The guy has levers and those West diplomats have leaned on them...that's the only sensible explanation
quicksand
#49 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 5:49:27 PM
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murchr wrote:
quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.


Raila has blinked...says he is ready for poll if Uhuru shelves law review ... ....according to Nation website



Uhuru will not shelve the law review. He can stay off elections if he wants to.

Maraga should have shut up, ...
that declaration about annulling the repeat as well if it had flaws made this whole thing a do-or-die affair.
Whichever way you slice and dice it, we are at the mercy of mobs, and a huge mob handed Jubilee a staggering majority in parliament which they will use to devastating effect.
They will pound the opposition and judiciary to dust.
Shak
#50 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 5:55:04 PM
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murchr wrote:
quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.


Raila has blinked...says he is ready for poll if Uhuru shelves law review ... ....according to Nation website



Uhuru will not shelve the law review. He can stay off elections if he wants to.

Why should we trust what he says anyway? He's forever shifting goalposts. Let Uhuru go ahead and sign the bill into law
Much Know
#51 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 6:26:34 PM
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quicksand wrote:
murchr wrote:
quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.


Raila has blinked...says he is ready for poll if Uhuru shelves law review ... ....according to Nation website



Uhuru will not shelve the law review. He can stay off elections if he wants to.

Maraga should have shut up, ...
that declaration about annulling the repeat as well if it had flaws made this whole thing a do-or-die affair.
Whichever way you slice and dice it, we are at the mercy of mobs, and a huge mob handed Jubilee a staggering majority in parliament which they will use to devastating effect.
They will pound the opposition and judiciary to dust.

He has a very loose mouth for a CJ, many have complained, remember "this savages"?
Ras Kienyeji Man
murchr
#52 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 6:44:44 PM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Jump-steady
#53 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 6:50:03 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Bree wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Own goal Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

As far as law is concerned, the kenyan state has 3 arms - independent and interdependent
1) the legistlative - to make laws
2) the judiciary - interpret the laws
3) the executive - to execute the laws!

last time there was a 'f*ck up' by an organ in the 3rd arm....someone rubbed in the 4-2 goal score by the 'majority' of one of those arms... sasa ni 144 - 53 cricket/basketball/rugby score! by the one that makes the law!

Seriously... we need to think about it, the IEBC is a constitutional body... made independent by that document that NASWA claims gives them the right to picket and mourn. (a philosophical tangential question - does the constitution 'give' rights or does it 'recognize' rights?).
The same constitution recognizes that legistlative arm of government MAKES laws... under the framework it sets out.
You run around, picket, state that you will block a LAWFUL ELECTION imposed by the courts because of the 'constitution', demand the disbandment (wish to force out of office an independent body) THEN cry foul when someone uses legal means to address his grievances with the Supreme court (which is also independent). No one should complain about or even seek to lawfully change the Courts since they are 'independent' but you can complain about the 'IEBC' and unlawfully seek to change the IEBC?

Surely!! The law is only good when it works for you?


Brutal truth!smile
harrydre
#54 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 7:20:40 PM
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C & P

NASA, 3 IEBC COMMISSIONERS PLOT MEGA ANARCHY BEFORE OCTOBER 26 ELECTION

She sat through an interview with the Sunday Nation and yelped heedlessly that her life and that of her family were in danger. Interestingly, however, she didn’t find it necessary to inform the authorities. Instead, she sought political asylum for her brother and his family in the United States.

Roselyn Kwamboka Akombe—or lady Akombe as her peers dotingly refer to her as—is the incarnation of the vilest evil and perpetrator of treason in Kenya, presumed by many to be a democratic state. Despite carrying herself with a modicum of grace, Akombe is the ultimate undertaker of the dark world. She is the siren-in-chief of unbridled malevolence and the maiden of the latter-day axis of utter wickedness.

Together with Chairman Wafula Chebukati and Commissioner Margaret Mwachanya in the presence of Chebukati’s PA, Akombe brokered a deal to hang Kenya precariously on a precipice. The deal involves a package with a generous ‘send off’ package from external regime changers through NASA principals. The climax of this evil scheme will see the three commissioners resign a few days to the October 26, General Election. Once this happens, the election will stand nullified. However, for a bowl of lentil soup, Akombe and her co-conspirators care less about the dire consequences and anarchy they will set off.

Akombe is the perverse intermediary between the IEBC Commissioners and NASA, negotiating for them each a send off package of a Ksh. 5 billion. Upon pocketing the blood loot, the Akombe sellouts will declare their lives and those of their families in danger and that they cannot, therefore, oversee the repeat presidential election. In the same send-off package, is the bait of political asylum for the three commissioners whose resignation would pit Kenya in total chaos.

Revealed

Now you know why—apart from the fact that NASA does not have resources— Raila Odinga, NASA presidential candidate is not campaigning. You now know why Raila’s close allies repeatedly shout that they have a secret weapon.

And as the National Assembly was discussing the electoral amendment bill, Chebukati was chairing a meeting between NASA and Jubilee at the Bomas of Kenya to break the stalemate. It is at this point that James Orengo felt betrayed by Chebukati’s body language, he felt cheated that the ‘spineless’ chair was dropping the ball. And that explains why Orengo walked out of that meeting and went on to address the media, spewing garbage as usual.

In Parliament, the bill had sailed through the first reading and was going through the second, prompting Chebukati to address the media. In his address to the media Chebukati claimed that no amendments to the electoral law are needed. But the truth is, he has developed cold feet and their plan is falling out of place.

Legally, it is only Chebukati as chair who should declare the President elect. There is no room for an alternate national returning officer. The quorum required at the Commission for proper operation is five members so if three walk out at the eleventh hour as planned then the election will not take place since only four commissioners will be present for duty.

It is now abundantly clear why Raila Odinga today in his now predictable daily press conferences turned ‘campaign strategy’ was extremely mad at parliamentarians, the Government and Chebukati who was also trying to slither out of the murky waters he has been conscripted by NASA to swim in.

As for now, Lady Akombe and the loose cannon and self-styled secretary Mwachanya are back on the drawing board to craft yet another malevolent strategy to choke Kenya until their needs and those of their paymasters are met.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Now you know why the amendments are key.
i.am.back!!!!
Liv
#55 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 8:07:08 PM
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quicksand wrote:
murchr wrote:
quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.


Raila has blinked...says he is ready for poll if Uhuru shelves law review ... ....according to Nation website



Uhuru will not shelve the law review. He can stay off elections if he wants to.

Maraga should have shut up, ...
that declaration about annulling the repeat as well if it had flaws made this whole thing a do-or-die affair.
Whichever way you slice and dice it, we are at the mercy of mobs, and a huge mob handed Jubilee a staggering majority in parliament which they will use to devastating effect.
They will pound the opposition and judiciary to dust.


TRUE

limanika
#56 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 8:49:02 PM
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Naswa is on record saying that those RO’s who didn’t sign or stamp forms should be sacked. If the proposed amendments now make it harder for someone to commit same offence in the fresh election, what’s wrong with that?

I think parliament should just pass these laws, in any case we have given them that mandate. Instead of naswa raising tantrums, they should wait for the laws to pass, and if indeed they are unconstitutional, then they should go to court. And the court will apply its mind and make a pronouncement.

But saying that they will go to the streets every Mon & Fri, doesn’t make sense.
What this confirms, what we have always known, is that this man is not honest. And perhaps that explains why he never wins elections. Even Mother nature can never be on your side if you are full of dishonesty and hypocrisy.
Bree
#57 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 9:23:27 PM
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murchr wrote:


Couldn't agree more.
Indeed life is a journey full of learning and hence its important to make corrective action along the way as gaps become evident. Only sappy imprudent person would disregard correction

I like the way stringent measures & procedures are taken after each aircraft crash investigation, revolutionizing the industry in a massive way.
washiku
#58 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 9:44:50 PM
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limanika wrote:
Naswa is on record saying that those RO’s who didn’t sign or stamp forms should be sacked. If the proposed amendments now make it harder for someone to commit same offence in the fresh election, what’s wrong with that?

I think parliament should just pass these laws, in any case we have given them that mandate. Instead of naswa raising tantrums, they should wait for the laws to pass, and if indeed they are unconstitutional, then they should go to court. And the court will apply its mind and make a pronouncement.

But saying that they will go to the streets every Mon & Fri, doesn’t make sense.
What this confirms, what we have always known, is that this man is not honest. And perhaps that explains why he never wins elections. Even Mother nature can never be on your side if you are full of dishonesty and hypocrisy.


After all walisema NoReformsNoElections. Reforms ndio hizoLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
harrydre
#59 Posted : Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:00:02 AM
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quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
So Now we are at NASA's irreducible minimums vs Jubilee's Amendment laws...Who will give in first?

I saw Baba was today meeting the envoys. Was waiting for a presser but none was forthcoming. Wonder what were the deliberations.


Raila has blinked...says he is ready for poll if Uhuru shelves law review ... ....according to Nation website


checkmate!
i.am.back!!!!
alma1
#60 Posted : Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:19:28 AM
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Is there anyone on this forum who has read the full amendments? In my experience on wazua a lot of monikers here support something because they read it from Itumbi's posts.

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