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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Do we have Wazuans who can answer questions about the constitution w/o bias/spin? Or is that too much to ask?
Would be nice for example to hear a non partisan summary of the dissenting justices to understand why they voted the way they did-Or what happens if subsequent elections are annulled or whether our constitution allows for joint governance etc..etc..
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2011 Posts: 407 Location: Nairobi,Kenya
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Dahatre wrote:Do we have Wazuans who can answer questions about the constitution w/o bias/spin? Or is that too much to ask?
Would be nice for example to hear a non partisan summary of the dissenting justices to understand why they voted the way they did-Or what happens if subsequent elections are annulled or whether our constitution allows for joint governance etc..etc.. My Fren,This election business has caused so much divisions,that its unlikely that you'll get such an opinion.You'll be surprised to know that this divisions are not limited to Kenyans only but even non Kenyans..So the best you can do is litsne to the fake analysts aand choose what pleases you from either side.. Hope is not a strategy
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,633
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The dissenting justices only said the 4 horsemen made a political decision.
The solution is political it's either Raila learns to write concession speeches or Uhuru admits he can't govern and resigns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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wukan wrote:The dissenting justices only said the 4 horsemen made a political decision.
The solution is political it's either Raila learns to write concession speeches or Uhuru admits he can't govern and resigns. 1. Why is Uhuru unable to govern? 2. What happens should he resign? My reading of the katiba is his DP takes over as President not caretaker president until someone is validly elected and sworn in. That someone would most likely be him. Or what's your reading of what would happen should Uhuru resign?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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Lolest! wrote:wukan wrote:The dissenting justices only said the 4 horsemen made a political decision.
The solution is political it's either Raila learns to write concession speeches or Uhuru admits he can't govern and resigns. 1. Why is Uhuru unable to govern? 2. What happens should he resign? My reading of the katiba is his DP takes over as President not caretaker president until someone is validly elected and sworn in. That someone would most likely be him. Or what's your reading of what would happen should Uhuru resign? Boss, of late you are really polarized.... unlike a man who went to school around Ndags  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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It is funny that especially Kenyans believe their is something like a "human judgement", and judges, this institutions are run by very smart middleman, have you never gone to high court for a traffic booking and paid "bond"?, they worship money, hakuna ethics hapo, utagongwa vibaya if you walk innocently into courts, if it is a property dispute, all the property will end up with them, and maybe you in a ditch, but this ruling was " below" even a certain standard. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:wukan wrote:The dissenting justices only said the 4 horsemen made a political decision.
The solution is political it's either Raila learns to write concession speeches or Uhuru admits he can't govern and resigns. 1. Why is Uhuru unable to govern? 2. What happens should he resign? My reading of the katiba is his DP takes over as President not caretaker president until someone is validly elected and sworn in. That someone would most likely be him. Or what's your reading of what would happen should Uhuru resign? Boss, of late you are really polarized.... unlike a man who went to school around Ndags who?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,633
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Lolest! wrote:wukan wrote:The dissenting justices only said the 4 horsemen made a political decision.
The solution is political it's either Raila learns to write concession speeches or Uhuru admits he can't govern and resigns. 1. Why is Uhuru unable to govern? Because the natives are restlessA competent leader can get efficient service from poor troops, while on the contrary an incapable leader can demoralize the best of troops. —Gen. John J Pershing2. What happens should he resign? My reading of the katiba is his DP takes over as President not caretaker president until someone is validly elected and sworn in. That someone would most likely be him. “Being a leader is like being a lady. If you have to remind people you are, you aren’t.” Margaret Thatcher Or what's your reading of what would happen should Uhuru resign? Other leaders will naturally come up. Have you seen how Sonko is pushing the matatus crews. That's leadership Will try give the more solid arguments later right now need to save my struggling biashara
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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wukan wrote:Lolest! wrote:wukan wrote:The dissenting justices only said the 4 horsemen made a political decision.
The solution is political it's either Raila learns to write concession speeches or Uhuru admits he can't govern and resigns. 1. Why is Uhuru unable to govern? Because the natives are restlessA competent leader can get efficient service from poor troops, while on the contrary an incapable leader can demoralize the best of troops. —Gen. John J Pershing2. What happens should he resign? My reading of the katiba is his DP takes over as President not caretaker president until someone is validly elected and sworn in. That someone would most likely be him. “Being a leader is like being a lady. If you have to remind people you are, you aren’t.” Margaret Thatcher Or what's your reading of what would happen should Uhuru resign? Other leaders will naturally come up. Have you seen how Sonko is pushing the matatus crews. That's leadership Will try give the more solid arguments later right now need to save my struggling biashara Courtsey of Ouruto In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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sanity wrote:Dahatre wrote:Do we have Wazuans who can answer questions about the constitution w/o bias/spin? Or is that too much to ask?
Would be nice for example to hear a non partisan summary of the dissenting justices to understand why they voted the way they did-Or what happens if subsequent elections are annulled or whether our constitution allows for joint governance etc..etc.. My Fren,This election business has caused so much divisions,that its unlikely that you'll get such an opinion.You'll be surprised to know that this divisions are not limited to Kenyans only but even non Kenyans..So the best you can do is litsne to the fake analysts aand choose what pleases you from either side.. You might be right lol! But one can try...
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Paraphrasing AG Githu:
The constitution does not provide for an interim/caretaker government when elections are inconclusive. The incumbent governs until the day a new president is sworn in.
Kweli urongo?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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Dahatre wrote:Paraphrasing AG Githu:
The constitution does not provide for an interim/caretaker government when elections are inconclusive. The incumbent governs until the day a new president is sworn in.
Kweli urongo? That's why we have all this independent bodies to safe guard the laws that govern a this country. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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The constitution is very clear that each one vote is what counts hence the 50+1, that,s to say one million plus the one vote, or 20million plus the one vote, decides it, in nullyfing the election, the courts are only supposed to confirm each vote counted, others are stupid interpretation s trying to make precedent s but substandard law! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Haha experts mwitu, si they were the same people saying that if 100 NASWA MPs resign then ni lazima kirudiwo,Uhuru himself said that when Maraga nullified the elections he stopped being president elect back to full president until such a day that another is sworn in, if for any reasons Uhuru leaves then Ruto takes over for the rest of the term in this case after elections,if both Uhuruto disappear, Muturi takes over and elections are held within 90 days To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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kayhara wrote:Haha experts mwitu, si they were the same people saying that if 100 NASWA MPs resign then ni lazima kirudiwo,Uhuru himself said that when Maraga nullified the elections he stopped being president elect back to full president until such a day that another is sworn in, if for any reasons Uhuru leaves then Ruto takes over for the rest of the term in this case after elections,if both Uhuruto disappear, Muturi takes over and elections are held within 90 days A ruling on this will soon be made by an odm judge! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Dahatre wrote:Do we have Wazuans who can answer questions about the constitution w/o bias/spin? Or is that too much to ask?
Would be nice for example to hear a non partisan summary of the dissenting justices to understand why they voted the way they did-Or what happens if subsequent elections are annulled or whether our constitution allows for joint governance etc..etc.. On last part...what joint govt? our govt structure is purely presidential. You can't change this without a referendum. Only other alternative is to create massive civil disobedience and prolonged gross public disorder (thats if govt in power fears you and allows you to do this)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Actually, aliar is hoping that if he 'succeeds' stopping the fresh election, somehow there will be disorder and coalition govt will be formed. He will be in for rude shock this time round. IEBC has been ordered to conduct election by SC so there's no way they arent going to conduct an election, even sham election. Nasa will then go to court seeking to invalidate the election and they'll look like fools. Court will ask why didn't you participate? NASA: iebc was not restructured. At that point he will be reminded of the just concluded ruling which gave iebc clean bill of health to run the election. Petition dismissed with costs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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limanika wrote:Actually, aliar is hoping that if he 'succeeds' stopping the fresh election, somehow there will be disorder and coalition govt will be formed. He will be in for rude shock this time round. IEBC has been ordered to conduct election by SC so there's no way they arent going to conduct an election, even sham election. Nasa will then go to court to invalidate the election and they'll look like a fools. Court will ask why didn't you participate? NASA: iebc was not restructured. At that point he will be reminded of the just concluded ruling which gave iebc clean bill of health. Petition dismissed with costs. What happens if IEBC is unable to conduct elections in some areas due to violence and unrest? Will it invalidate the result of the election?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Shak wrote:limanika wrote:Actually, aliar is hoping that if he 'succeeds' stopping the fresh election, somehow there will be disorder and coalition govt will be formed. He will be in for rude shock this time round. IEBC has been ordered to conduct election by SC so there's no way they arent going to conduct an election, even sham election. Nasa will then go to court to invalidate the election and they'll look like a fools. Court will ask why didn't you participate? NASA: iebc was not restructured. At that point he will be reminded of the just concluded ruling which gave iebc clean bill of health. Petition dismissed with costs. What happens if IEBC is unable to conduct elections in some areas due to violence and unrest? Will it invalidate the result of the election? systematic violence not possible unless it is organized. No politician will organize such scale of violence due to fear of ICC and visa bans. So election will take place Uhuru just needs to get more than 25% in 24counties. And he should ask his voters to come out in droves and exceed 50% of registered voters. Against that there's no defence
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Dahatre wrote:Paraphrasing AG Githu:
The constitution does not provide for an interim/caretaker government when elections are inconclusive. The incumbent governs until the day a new president is sworn in.
Kweli urongo? It's very clear from the constitution Article 142. Term of office of President (1) The President shall hold office for a term beginning on the date on which the President was sworn in, AND ENDING when the person next elected President is sworn in.
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