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Round 2 is time to finish off baba politically
hardwood
#421 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:35:27 PM
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Maybe we should revert to mlolongo system to please maragae.....


hardwood
#422 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:08:27 PM
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For those who havent been following, this is the summary of Hon Justice Njoki Ndungu's ruling...
1)The courts should not cause Jurisprudential crisis through their findings
2) The voter bears the right of franchise
3) Elections are ‘RIGHTS- centric' not ‘FORM-centric'
4) You have the Various verifying agents
a) IEBC
b) Party
c) Candidate agents -Senators, Governors
d) Media
e) Observers - Their reports are filed with commission so they have a formal status, they found the election to be free and fair
5) It is insufficient for the court to say it had a doubt, the court must be satisfied by evidence before it. It must not be speculative
6) Regulation 68 provides the ballot paper does not provide for security features on ballot papers. (It provides it shall have name and photo of candidate, be capable to be folded, party symbol) - that does not apply for the forms
7) An election court must satisfy that evidence is real and not imagined in order to nullify an election
8) The ballots exist - People speak through the ballot. if Majority were in doubt that should have been the option
9) “The ballots are alive and available when you have to overturn a decision do not result to forensic guesses - why avoid the obvious and settle for the risky”
10) Voters are identified at the polling station, the votes at the polling station, the Count happens at the polling station, to verify the voice of the voter you must check the vote as cast - 11) Transmission of forms cannot be the basis for nullifying a Presidential election
12 ) Transmission was intended to cure the transportation of forms to Nairobi by all 290 Returning Officers - that was a key issue in the Maina Kiai case
13) IEBC argued in COA that the case by Maina Kiai would extinguish the power of IEBC to amend or alter the result
14) COA ruled, "Polling Station is the true Locus for the free expression of the voters will.."
15) COA - ruled that the role of the chairman of IEBC was only to tally results from constituencies, declare and forward declaration to incumbent President and CJ
16) Did IEBC obey the Maina Kiai decision - in my view that was demonstrated in court, I am satisfied that IEBC adhered to the guidelines set by the Maina Kiai decision despite the decision coming 35 days to the elections.
17 . What is the place of Maina Kiai decision in future elections? - I disagree with Maina Kiai decision since It endorses another level of tallying at constituency and it incapacitates the iEBC chair. IEBC Chair is the returning officer of the Presidential Election.
18 . You cannot find the National threshold at the constituency. only IEBC Chair has the capacity to verify and declare a Presidential election, not the Constituency because there are other points to verify before declaring a winner of the Presidential election - for instance 25 % requirement in counties, 50+1
19 . The Constitution must be interpreted in context and must be holistic
20 . Our electoral system is MANUAL - You pick a ballot manually, you tick manually, you insert it in the box and count manually - our system is not like India or USA where it is clearly electronic. we have a system that needs clarity via legislation.
21 . The IT experts by the petitioners fail the test of Expert testimony as provided for in the Evidence Act.
22 . Whoever alleges, MUST prove
23 . The burden of proof in Election cases - the Evidential burden is borne by petitioners at the onset, however, the respondents bear the evidential burden of proof in rebutting the allegations.
24 . The Petitioner must prove that the election was NOT conducted according to the law and that affected the results of the election.
25 . However, the Legal burden lies on the Petitioner
26 . A candidate or her agent cannot abscond duty from the polling station then ask the court to overturn the election
27 . IDP payments were approved by Parliament and were within Gvt workplace and therefore nothing to do with elections
28 . I have analyzed affidavit evidence of the petitioners and respondents
29 . Orders on accèss to Information - The majority call it orders to access
In interpreting orders the court reasons must be read in whole so as to implement. For the avoidance of doubt - This court did NOT give orders for access to SERVERS
30 . Failure to have security features on the form is not FATAL
31 . The Majority had an opportunity to check the forms as deposited in the court like I did, but they did NOT
32 . When you compare Registrar report and the certified forms brought by IEBC to court the majority finding falls, I checked and that is what is called verification
33 . The alleged irregularities and illegalities must have a nexus
34 . Which circumstances are different between Raila 2013 and Raila 2017 to persuade the Majority to depart? I do not see any
35 . Parliament must clarify article 83 of the act -
36 . The Supreme Court decision to annul a presidential election does not take over rulings in lower courts
37 . The People speak through the Ballot
38 . The alleged irregularities should have checked the certified forms as provided by IEBC
39 . It is unfortunate that the majority has decided to take a decision to disfranchise the people, by making a decision based on design of forms as opposed to the decision of the electorate
40 . Judiciary must operate within its power and must prevent abuse of power
hardwood
#423 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:28:47 PM
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Very wise judge.....

hardwood
#424 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:33:39 PM
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She's very learned, she did her home work unlike hao wakora.......


hardwood
#425 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:38:36 PM
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She's full of wisdom....and common sense unlike the wakoras:

NJOKI NDUNG'U :The ballots are Alive and Available. When you have to overturn a decision do not result to forensic guesses.
Uram
#426 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:40:10 PM
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Much Know wrote:
Maraga must have spent all his 21 days masterbating in the office on the internet with a jerry can of diesel, dancing tibim and swinging his nyetis in officr, jinga type of senile mzee! We need to know his reasons for nullyfying, we got zero, just mambo ya "power", not a single specific, no total of votes that would affect anything, silly wanker of a mzee only 20k votes affected. This is witchcraft result's


How old are you? You are a disgrace to humanity. Surely admin, how can you allow such a post running for over an hour?
hardwood
#427 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:43:27 PM
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Uram wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Maraga must have spent all his 21 days masterbating in the office on the internet with a jerry can of diesel, dancing tibim and swinging his nyetis in officr, jinga type of senile mzee! We need to know his reasons for nullyfying, we got zero, just mambo ya "power", not a single specific, no total of votes that would affect anything, silly wanker of a mzee only 20k votes affected. This is witchcraft result's


How old are you? You are a disgrace to humanity. Surely admin, how can you allow such a post running for over an hour?


Relax. He has done nothing wrong. Our constitution guarantees the freedom of expression. You should tolerate dissenting opinions.
Uram
#428 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:49:07 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Uram wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Maraga must have spent all his 21 days masterbating in the office on the internet with a jerry can of diesel, dancing tibim and swinging his nyetis in officr, jinga type of senile mzee! We need to know his reasons for nullyfying, we got zero, just mambo ya "power", not a single specific, no total of votes that would affect anything, silly wanker of a mzee only 20k votes affected. This is witchcraft result's


How old are you? You are a disgrace to humanity. Surely admin, how can you allow such a post running for over an hour?


Relax. He has done nothing wrong. Our constitution guarantees the freedom of expression. You should tolerate dissenting opinions.


Am not surprised. Birds of a feather!!!
Amores
#429 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:53:13 PM
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hardwood wrote:
She's very learned, she did her home work unlike hao wakora.......




Respect for the Lady Justice. She did her research, and presented it without fear!
I am very impressed, many on Twitter are saying that it was not necessary to do this is(since the election is still null and void), but she painstakingly went through evidence, knowing full well that it will not change the decision of the majority. I believe it was about debunking all those myths out there, plus jurisprudence!If you noticed,she made a determination which will avert the disaster that would have ensued from all the filed petitions in lower courts.


I am happy
hardwood
#430 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:55:42 PM
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Uram wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Uram wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Maraga must have spent all his 21 days masterbating in the office on the internet with a jerry can of diesel, dancing tibim and swinging his nyetis in officr, jinga type of senile mzee! We need to know his reasons for nullyfying, we got zero, just mambo ya "power", not a single specific, no total of votes that would affect anything, silly wanker of a mzee only 20k votes affected. This is witchcraft result's


How old are you? You are a disgrace to humanity. Surely admin, how can you allow such a post running for over an hour?


Relax. He has done nothing wrong. Our constitution guarantees the freedom of expression. You should tolerate dissenting opinions.


Am not surprised. Birds of a feather!!!


How come you never complain when baba calls ohuruto mlevi na mwizi? I also listened to maragae ruling and never heard reasons for annulling the election.
hardwood
#431 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:02:35 AM
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This maragae ruling will be cited all over the commonwealth when drunk lawyers want to have a hearty laugh. It is a real embarrassment to the country.
hardwood
#432 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:17:58 AM
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What a ruling by the 2 judges.....5hrs of rare wisdom.....ooooh my! This will be quoted by universities and courts all over the world.





hardwood
#433 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:36:18 AM
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Hahaha......

hardwood
#434 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:51:18 AM
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Unlike the other judges, Hon Justice Njoki Ndungu actually went through all the forms with a tooth comb and found nothing wrong....


Daily Nation wrote:
The court indicted the IEBC for irregularities by not ensuring that the results forms were standardised, signed, stamped and had security features.

But in a dramatic development, Lady Justice Njoki Ndungu, in a lengthy dissenting judgment, systematically disproved the basis of her colleague’s case, saying that she had personally examined all the forms said not to have been signed and found them signed, those said not to have serial numbers actually had them and that all those complained of were properly compliant.

This raises serious questions about the management of evidence and verification of facts by judges and court staff.


Sample of her findings...







hardwood
#435 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 1:54:07 AM
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Maragae ruling....

murchr
#436 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:19:21 AM
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I believe the 4 judges are completely daft in matters technology. Its evident they didn't understand what Read-Only means

Daily Nation wrote:

“Elections belong to everybody, and it is everyone’s responsibility to protect them,” she ruled.

On the electronic transmission of results, she disagreed with the majority decision that IEBC disobeyed the court’s order to provide access to ICT logs and servers.

The judges had found that the commission’s failure to open itself up for scrutiny was proof that it was hiding something.

But Justice Ndung’u said the court’s orders were very clear and distinct that the IEBC was expected to provide a read-only copy of the logs in the servers (with an option to copy).

“The court did not give orders for the petitioner to access the first respondent’s servers but only access the read-only copy information as their integrity had to be protected,” she said.

In polling stations not covered by 3G and 4G mobile phone networks, manual transmission of results was the proper mode of transmission as it is the complementary mechanism of technology, she stated.

Justice Ndung’u also took issue with a part of the court’s majority that threatened to nullify a repeat election if the similar errors raised in their judgment recurred.

“It is injudicious and imprudent. The discipline of an unappointed arm of the government should be self-regulatory. No arm of the government is infallible,” she said.
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Much Know
#437 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:03:18 AM
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Jinga ruling
Ras Kienyeji Man
harrydre
#438 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:20:07 AM
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hardwood wrote:
She's full of wisdom....and common sense unlike the wakoras:

NJOKI NDUNG'U :The ballots are Alive and Available. When you have to overturn a decision do not result to forensic guesses.


She should be the next CJ. Very embarrassing for Mwilu and Maraga. a whole SC judge should be able to read.
i.am.back!!!!
Angelica _ann
#439 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:50:06 AM
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At least Maraga & Mwilu gave their jinga ruling in public, unlike 2013 accept and move on studded judgment.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
hardwood
#440 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2017 8:34:01 AM
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Quote:
Kimilili MP Didmus Barasa has called on the national government to withhold National Super Alliance (NASA) leader Raila Odinga’s passport ahead of the repeat presidential poll. Mr Barasa said Raila was likely to cause chaos then flee the country. He said he would sponsor a Bill in Parliament to ensure that Raila surrendered his passport before the election.

“I will go to Parliament to ensure that Raila surrenders his passport as he will cause chaos and flee. We want him here,” said Mr Barasa.

"The Opposition is likely to cause trouble should their demands to have the election postponed fail," he added. "The Opposition is scared and has resorted to inciting their supporters to take to the streets and cause mayhem."

Barasa said his Bill would ensure that NASA leaders were present to witness first hand the state of the country should they call for mass action.


Read more at: https://www.standardmedi...ion-mp-tells-government
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