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Chief Justice now turned Politician...
Kaigangio
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:59:18 PM
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For Maraga to call a press conference to condemn and threaten some picketing citizens and supporting his besieged colleagues just like a typical politician leaves no doubt that the Chief Justice is now a fully fledged politician...
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Much Know
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:02:47 PM
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He is a principal and he has declared his "powers", he looked like those Chicken WHO's feathers have all been plucked from the neck, taking on a handsome Jogoo, with a full crown, ujinga mingi sana.
Ras Kienyeji Man
Angelica _ann
#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:21:54 PM
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FRM2011
#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:30:32 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
For Maraga to call a press conference to condemn and threaten some picketing citizens and supporting his besieged colleagues just like a typical politician leaves no doubt that the Chief Justice is now a fully fledged politician...


You are way out of order. Allow me to speak like a Kikuyu.

We should be out celebrating the birth of an independent judiciary.

Our best case scenario is having a Kikuyu president upto 2022.

After that, it will be a miracle for Kenya to have another Kikuyu president.

The only thing to protect us is a strong constitution and strong institutions.

Have we already forgotten judge tuiyott in Nakuru ? Ama we are too young ?

When the ethnic clashes escalated in Molo, kikuyus who were ex-military would be arrested and tortured to confess to organising the attacks. They all ended in Tuiyott's court where he dished death sentences with reckless abandon.

limanika
#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:40:08 PM
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Those of you who listened to CJ address in full, what did he say about the petition against his 2 colleagues? Did he say the judiciary is open to scrutiny as per the rule of law? The media seems to have Left out this part? Coz I don't want to imagine he didn't say anything about this...
Much Know
#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:45:11 PM
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limanika wrote:
Those of you who listened to CJ address in full, what did he say about the petition against his 2 colleagues? Did he say the judiciary is open to scrutiny as per the rule of law? The media seems to have Left out this part? Coz I don't want to imagine he didn't say anything about this...

No, He said anyone who questions them will be held responsible for anything that happens to them bla, bla and that Savages bla bla, in short, they are holy and beyond reproach and mwananchi should be shot dead for carrying twigs.
Ras Kienyeji Man
gk
#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:54:06 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
For Maraga to call a press conference to condemn and threaten some picketing citizens and supporting his besieged colleagues just like a typical politician leaves no doubt that the Chief Justice is now a fully fledged politician...


You are way out of order. Allow me to speak like a Kikuyu.

We should be out celebrating the birth of an independent judiciary.

Our best case scenario is having a Kikuyu president upto 2022.

After that, it will be a miracle for Kenya to have another Kikuyu president.

The only thing to protect us is a strong constitution and strong institutions.

Have we already forgotten judge tuiyott in Nakuru ? Ama we are too young ?

When the ethnic clashes escalated in Molo, kikuyus who were ex-military would be arrested and tortured to confess to organising the attacks. They all ended in Tuiyott's court where he dished death sentences with reckless abandon.



What's this obsession you have with your tribe? Contrary to this provincial line of thinking ethnic identity will carry an increasingly less weight in years to come but political power will still be wielded by those with economic power.
Kusadikika
#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:18:07 PM
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This man has totally lost it. This man has been called "My Lord" so many times that he has actually started believing that he is one. He saw a few demonstrations in his support in Kisii and actually started thinking that his mandate comes from the people like he said today.

The only people whose mandate comes from the people are politicians and that is why they can afford to say anything they want. Judges and all Judicial officers have a mandate that comes from Parliament, Judicial Service Commission and the Executive. A president and the JSC can form a tribunal to investigate and remove judges. It is much harder to remove someone who has been elected.

By doing this press conference Maraga has opened himself up to be treated like a politician. There are no rules and protocols in the political world. A wise judge should only speak to the public in the court. The moment he removed his robe and called a press conference, all gloves are off.
muganda
#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:20:18 PM
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limanika wrote:
Those of you who listened to CJ address in full, what did he say about the petition against his 2 colleagues? Did he say the judiciary is open to scrutiny as per the rule of law? The media seems to have Left out this part? Coz I don't want to imagine he didn't say anything about this...


No mention about matters before JSC - the petitions are within the law so can't be casually commented on.

Address only dealt with extra-judicial matters: threats, attacks, security, intimidation, Kirinyaga where petitioner was denied access to court etc.

Excerpt:


limanika
#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:57:48 PM
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muganda wrote:
limanika wrote:
Those of you who listened to CJ address in full, what did he say about the petition against his 2 colleagues? Did he say the judiciary is open to scrutiny as per the rule of law? The media seems to have Left out this part? Coz I don't want to imagine he didn't say anything about this...


No mention about matters before JSC - the petitions are within the law so can't be casually commented on.

Address only dealt with extra-judicial matters: threats, attacks, security, intimidation, Kirinyaga where petitioner was denied access to court etc.

Excerpt:




Oh, ok. But I understand his threats today were directed at executive and parliament. Have these 2 arms of govt done anything in recent days they haven’t been doing all along to warrant such strong reaction?

Then I guessed the JSC was meeting today in part to discuss the damning petition. The petition on his 2 colleagues is an indictment on SC so I would have expected him to at bare minimum reaffirm that he and his colleagues are beyond reproach and open to scrutiny any time any day in accordance with constitution and rule of law. This is very important for me. That he chose to totaly ignore the elephant in the room and instead issue threats to parliament and executive for no apparent reason, speaks volumes
Kusadikika
#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:45:05 PM
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Maraga is politically naive. He was reading a statement for the Judicial Service Commission. At the very least he should have allowed the statement to be read by any of the other members of the JSC like Muchelule who was not part of the presidential petition decision. That way it would have appeared like the Judiciary is taking a united position of solidarity. By putting himself at the center and even at the end arrogantly telling journalists that they are not taking questions he has isolated himself as a lone crusader. Politicians will skin him alive.

When you call a press conference you have entered political space and you should be very careful about how you are perceived in that space.
limanika
#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 12:16:12 AM
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By the way, understandably the unspoken msg from the presser is that JSC will not recommend tribunal (formed by executive and report sent to parliament) for the 2 judges 'coz judiciary is indipendent'. That other part on 'ultimate price' means they are ready to face the consequences by so doing. The part on 'referendum' was pointer to the weakness in katiba on this matter...coz..if JSC doesn't recommend tribunal the matter ends there ...unless you people of kenya change the constitution
Baratang
#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:04:15 AM
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I hounestly sympathise with Maraga. Politics is a dirty game and the players don't mind the everyday mudslinging. Now, this man of God is in the mix and the more he opens his mouth the more he drifts into it. Poor CJ aka Judiciary politician.smile
Njung'e
#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:16:41 AM
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Here is a man who can't/or not used to pressure. what if he was in Chebukati's shoes? I think he would implode. For now, someone tell him old men don't get mad. At least not in Savage country They get even.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Wakanyugi
#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:44:30 AM
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muganda wrote:
limanika wrote:
Those of you who listened to CJ address in full, what did he say about the petition against his 2 colleagues? Did he say the judiciary is open to scrutiny as per the rule of law? The media seems to have Left out this part? Coz I don't want to imagine he didn't say anything about this...


No mention about matters before JSC - the petitions are within the law so can't be casually commented on.

Address only dealt with extra-judicial matters: threats, attacks, security, intimidation,



And he did not call anybody Savages. These Jubilee zealots need to chill. Maybe smoke a little weed, it might help.


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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