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ngapat wrote:Justice Maraga has urged Judges and magistrates to ignore legal and procedural technicalities, and determine the electoral disputes on substantive issues. According to Mr Maraga, this was the cause that led to the erosion of public confidence in the Judiciary @ngapat, the reason why in international lingo us and like-nations are referred to as third world aka failed states, we are grandiose on such terms as democracy, is that we pretend when in real sense we are such backwater states. In our case the SC issues such far reaching pronouncements like invalidating a presidential election and then tells us on live TV that they will give us the reasons in 21 days. In ten minutes they pronounce upon us a cost of 15+ billion because we cannot count and all of us clap and declare we are now the 4th nation to have a presidential election nullified, a record setting in the wrong direction In the meantime, we sadly lose precious girls in a fire and all what the state decides to do is to offset burial costs! On 17th we again parade ourselves to perpetuate one of two dynasties! and we pay Morpho/Safron, Amazon hosting blalala for our inadequacies. Elsewhere in Gambia, they used Dominos as ballots and drums and ballot boxes and they have kicked our a dictator "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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masukuma wrote:Much Know wrote:If the burukenge judges ordered iebc to do another election because their request on servers could not be satisfied, what will they do now that their other request to hold an elections cannot be satisfied because the system has to be upgraded to meet the their demands for scrutiny? Worse problems will arise. This is why I fault IEBC!! they did not want to seem incompetent!! Let's face it... those Orders had things that NASA wanted - let me ask... who said those things existed? Each system is different! you may not have those things built in. But since IEBC had outsourced most of this work - they were clueless on whether they had these things or not. it's similar to someone asking you to give designs to the bunker in your house and tests to verify that your house has [insert here some ISO standard for bunkers] and you don't know if you have a bunker and you agree to 'comply' to give them these designs and tests! Not all systems are built the same! You should be the one to state whether something is possible or not! people cannot just google terms and drop them in a document and ask you to produce them and you have the incompetence not to say... SORRY FELLOWS... WRONG NUMBER! OUR SYSTEM DOESN'T HAVE THESE THINGS!! or we never did these things! especially if there was no law or regulation that required you to do so! Who says all systems built have "read only" access? the OS has, major databases have - the application built? its based on whether it was seen to be useful at the time. So it's all on IEBC... they were incompetent and did not want to be seen as such and started playing games. When all this drama is over and 20B down the drain,Maraga will have lots of egg on his face. Thankfully Babu will be gone for G I pray. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Bigchick wrote:masukuma wrote:Much Know wrote:If the burukenge judges ordered iebc to do another election because their request on servers could not be satisfied, what will they do now that their other request to hold an elections cannot be satisfied because the system has to be upgraded to meet the their demands for scrutiny? Worse problems will arise. This is why I fault IEBC!! they did not want to seem incompetent!! Let's face it... those Orders had things that NASA wanted - let me ask... who said those things existed? Each system is different! you may not have those things built in. But since IEBC had outsourced most of this work - they were clueless on whether they had these things or not. it's similar to someone asking you to give designs to the bunker in your house and tests to verify that your house has [insert here some ISO standard for bunkers] and you don't know if you have a bunker and you agree to 'comply' to give them these designs and tests! Not all systems are built the same! You should be the one to state whether something is possible or not! people cannot just google terms and drop them in a document and ask you to produce them and you have the incompetence not to say... SORRY FELLOWS... WRONG NUMBER! OUR SYSTEM DOESN'T HAVE THESE THINGS!! or we never did these things! especially if there was no law or regulation that required you to do so! Who says all systems built have "read only" access? the OS has, major databases have - the application built? its based on whether it was seen to be useful at the time. So it's all on IEBC... they were incompetent and did not want to be seen as such and started playing games. When all this drama is over and 20B down the drain,Maraga will have lots of egg on his face. Thankfully Babu will be gone for G I pray. Those who committed fraud and interfered with election process should have thought about this. Actions have consequences. The knew very well what the constitution says about an invalid election. Or they thought they would get away with it in court? Or what the constitution lines up as possible path of election is just for beautification to them? We are not supposed to go that way, right?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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masukuma wrote:Most Kenyans suffer from what is known as DELUSIONS OF GRANDUER... you collectively fail to have a sense of proportion!! I hear many people talk about some of the companies which provided support to the IEBC as if they are one man shows operating in river-road!! Sikizeni... this may come as a shock to you but... Kenya is nothing but a corrupt, poor, 3rd world country!!! No one wants to screw you out of a presidency...infact NO ONE REALLY CARES BUT YOU!! I see people asking about Amazon web services... a company owned by Jeff Bezos... the SECOND RICHEST MAN ON THE PLANET... It hosts so many things... heck even I have web services running off it as well as Azure!! We are like that guy who gets a safcom sim card and as soon as there are some problems - we think Safaricom has teamed up with your neighbor who you have a boundary dispute with to screw you... YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT!! Safaricom may tell ALL it's customers that they are important (AS A GROUP) but you individually.... sorry... not so important. on Al Ghurair - well... if ever there was a company that is printing for almost all Election Commissions that I have worked for - thats them! not just ballot papers, OMR forms e.t.c. this is a huge global company... it was not started to screw you and your ballot papers. Mark you IEBC moved from Smith and Ouzman to al ghurair after the noise of the chicken gate scandal. Sikizeni...Al Ghurair printers is part of a 25,000 people strong conglomerate!! The group has done work on Burj Khalifa, Emirates Towers and the Dubai Metro... this is not a small company designed to screw you out of your presidency as NASA!! SAFRAN/MORPHO/OT-Morpho whatever they call themselves next week is/was part of the french conglomerate that builds aircraft engines!! that group used to produce phones... my first phone was a SAGEM phone.... from the same group!! these are not tu-small one person shops that will screw up their reputations making "algorithms" that prejudice a RAILA presidency... Sikizeni as I am going to say this ONCE!! you are not that important... you may feel important but that is as far as it goes!! you are dwarves at an international scale. So quickly put this election behind you and move towards doing things that will make you slightly taller. 
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Did this letter reach France?   "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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murchr wrote:Did this letter reach France?   I doubt!It was more for their supporters. Vitisho tuu za hapa na pale. If it had reached NASWA would be chest thumping with the acknowledgement copy duly stamped. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:[ Those who committed fraud and interfered with election process should have thought about this. Actions have consequences. The knew very well what the constitution says about an invalid election.
Or they thought they would get away with it in court? Or what the constitution lines up as possible path of election is just for beautification to them? We are not supposed to go that way, right? Some of this needs to be called out!! Who said there was FRAUD or INTERFERENCE? really? show me a quote from the judges that say this. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:[ Those who committed fraud and interfered with election process should have thought about this. Actions have consequences. The knew very well what the constitution says about an invalid election.
Or they thought they would get away with it in court? Or what the constitution lines up as possible path of election is just for beautification to them? We are not supposed to go that way, right? Some of this needs to be called out!! Who said there was FRAUD or INTERFERENCE? really? show me a quote from the judges that say this. Surely!!. The ruling is not yet with us yet NASa and it's supporters have gone ahead to condemn individuals for imagined crimes. Simply because Raila said so?....hmmmmmm! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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NAS http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Bo...099678-alsht2/index.htmlA supporters now burning people's property and labelling them thieves thanks to Railas language and support from wakabila judges, Kenya will be taken to the dogs by this lies which FOOLS so rashly believe. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Thieves=These people. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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Needless to say, raira enemy no.1, peasant and poor Kikuyu, or "foreigners", next some revenge in naivasha or mathare, as SC pretend to be very clever maintaining tension because they are guarded by Police at their homes and in Mercs. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Njung'e wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:[ Those who committed fraud and interfered with election process should have thought about this. Actions have consequences. The knew very well what the constitution says about an invalid election.
Or they thought they would get away with it in court? Or what the constitution lines up as possible path of election is just for beautification to them? We are not supposed to go that way, right? Some of this needs to be called out!! Who said there was FRAUD or INTERFERENCE? really? show me a quote from the judges that say this. Surely!!. The ruling is not yet with us yet NASa and it's supporters have gone ahead to condemn individuals for imagined crimes. Simply because Raila said so?....hmmmmmm! Why is it taking too long to write down that ruling anyway? Maraga is playing part in this unrest. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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murchr wrote:Njung'e wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:[ Those who committed fraud and interfered with election process should have thought about this. Actions have consequences. The knew very well what the constitution says about an invalid election.
Or they thought they would get away with it in court? Or what the constitution lines up as possible path of election is just for beautification to them? We are not supposed to go that way, right? Some of this needs to be called out!! Who said there was FRAUD or INTERFERENCE? really? show me a quote from the judges that say this. Surely!!. The ruling is not yet with us yet NASa and it's supporters have gone ahead to condemn individuals for imagined crimes. Simply because Raila said so?....hmmmmmm! Why is it taking too long to write down that ruling anyway? Maraga is playing part in this unrest. They know the ruling will be scrutinized inside out, and if people cant find the master stroke that convinced the jury to invalidate a process which cost billions and involved 15m kenyans, then they are toast. But on positive note, we hope the ruling will expound some pertinent areas to address emerging issues and confusion by nasa e.g. what they meant by fresh elections, what were the actual malpractices..this, not what rao is shouting every day, is what would determine who at IEBC might have to go. Only worry is, who is writing?
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This thing is getting out of hand,our good Constitution has checks and balances, what role can the third arm the Parliament do if the executive and the judiciary plus opposition continue to hold the country in limbo? To Each His Own
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murchr wrote:Njung'e wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:[ Those who committed fraud and interfered with election process should have thought about this. Actions have consequences. The knew very well what the constitution says about an invalid election.
Or they thought they would get away with it in court? Or what the constitution lines up as possible path of election is just for beautification to them? We are not supposed to go that way, right? Some of this needs to be called out!! Who said there was FRAUD or INTERFERENCE? really? show me a quote from the judges that say this. Surely!!. The ruling is not yet with us yet NASa and it's supporters have gone ahead to condemn individuals for imagined crimes. Simply because Raila said so?....hmmmmmm! Why is it taking too long to write down that ruling anyway? Maraga is playing part in this unrest. Apparently the four judges haven't even met since the ruling. Each is holed up in their own quarters writing their own judgements. Very strange indeed!!
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... Quote: Kenya’s presidential election has been overturned. What next?It was a triumph of the rule of law—but the country is now on edge IF AT first you don’t succeed, try, try again. That, it seems, is the advice of Kenya’s supreme court to its electoral commission. In a shock decision on September 1st, the court ruled that the presidential election held last month, in which Uhuru Kenyatta, the incumbent, beat Raila Odinga (pictured), an opposition stalwart, was “invalid, null and void”. The vote, it said, had not been conducted in accordance with the constitution—so it must be redone. As a display of judicial independence, the court’s decision is without precedent, not just in Kenya but across Africa, where it was widely acclaimed. It represents an opportunity—so optimists believe—to build genuine trust in the country’s institutions, especially its highest courts. Yet it also plunges east Africa’s biggest economy back into uncertainty and creates a new risk of violence. Arguments have already erupted over the timing of the new vote, which the electoral commission says it will hold on October 17th. Many Kenyans fear widespread violence is likelier this time around, especially if the result is closer. The court has not yet published its full verdict. But in a preliminary statement it said it found “no evidence of misconduct” on Mr Kenyatta’s part. Nor did it endorse Mr Odinga’s theory that the electronic system used to record the results was hacked. Rather, the judges seem to have decided that they did not need proof of systematic rigging. That the electoral commission committed “irregularities and illegalities”, particularly in the transmission of results from polling stations to tallying centres, was enough to justify a new vote. The decision surprised nearly everyone. Even before the election results were declared, James Orengo, a senator and close ally of Mr Odinga, announced that “going to court is not an alternative—we have been there before.” In the previous election, in 2013, when Mr Kenyatta beat Mr Odinga in a contest that most monitors considered flawed, the loser went in vain to court rather than risk a repeat of the violence that had followed the election in 2007, when around 1,400 people were killed. This time, when the National Super Alliance (NASA), Mr Odinga’s group of parties, filed its legal challenge it seemed like a concession to foreign diplomats, who feared more violence. Courting controversy Mr Odinga and his allies were jubilant at the decision. NASA declared that a “new Kenya has been born” and claimed vindication for their view that the election had been stolen. Mr Kenyatta called for the decision to be respected in a speech given in English. But in comments to supporters made in Swahili, he denounced the judges as wakora (crooks) and claimed that their decision was the work of “whites” and “homosexuals”. He vowed to “fix” the supreme court if re-elected. Yet perhaps it should have been less of a surprise than it was. Kenya’s election was certainly far from perfect. A week before polling day, Chris Msando, the main technician in charge of the electronic voter-ID system, was found murdered, his body displaying signs of torture. That created suspicion that things might go awry. Though polling day itself went smoothly, the transmission of results from polling stations was erratic. The results were supposed to have been recorded on 41,000-odd paper forms, one from each station. Yet the electoral commission failed to make many of the forms readily available to the public or to NASA. That could have been because of incompetence rather than foul play—a view shared by many of the Western monitors, who nonetheless stressed that their endorsement of the election was conditional on further analyses. Either way, the supreme court decided, by a verdict of four to two, that the flaws were serious enough to merit a re-run of the presidential contest. The other five sets of elections, including for members of parliament and for governors, were deemed fair. Organising a better election will be fraught. The original vote cost some $500m and involved more than 300,000 temporary workers. Now the electoral commission has to repeat it, in a far shorter time, under heavier pressure. After it published its intended date for the new poll, in which only Mr Odinga and Mr Kenyatta would be running (and third-party candidates excluded), NASA accused it of becoming “rogue and unhinged”. The alliance has published a list of demands for the new vote, including suspending six senior officials and hiring a new contractor to print ballot papers. If they are not met, it says it will not take part. Many Kenyans guess that, in the end, the result will be the same—and that Mr Odinga and his allies will still not accept it. Certainly, thanks to the supreme court’s decision, NASA will have gained momentum. But for all its flaws, it is still not obvious that the election was rigged by anywhere near the margin of nine percentage points that Mr Kenyatta had over Mr Odinga. (Mr Kenyatta’s party easily defeated Mr Odinga’s in the parliamentary election, albeit that the opposition split into separate parties competing against each other.) In a presidential re-run Mr Kenyatta, who is better funded and organised, is still likely to be the favourite, says Nicholas Cheeseman, a specialist in African elections at the University of Birmingham. Protests after this year’s vote left at least two dozen people dead. But for the most part Kenya has avoided the violence that marred earlier polls. The court’s decision is intended to reinforce that progress by building trust in the country’s institutions and in the fairness of elections. Yet those high hopes could still be dashed to smithereens. The coming months will jangle Kenyan nerves. https://www.economist.co...country-now-edge-kenyas All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Hii ni nini https://drive.google.com...qMB8UVhwZTc4S0JMTm8/view"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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[quote=murchr]Hii ni nini https://drive.google.com...MB8UVhwZTc4S0JMTm8/view[/quote] Habari ndiyo hiyo. After kasarani, this mess has to be cleaned. i.am.back!!!!
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[quote=murchr]Hii ni nini https://drive.google.com...MB8UVhwZTc4S0JMTm8/view[/quote] Waaaaa......!!!!! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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wrote:Most Kenyans suffer from what is known as DELUSIONS OF GRANDUER... you collectively fail to have a sense of proportion!! I hear many people talk about some of the companies which provided support to the IEBC as if they are one man shows operating in river-road!! Sikizeni... this may come as a shock to you but... Kenya is nothing but a corrupt, poor, 3rd world country!!! No one wants to screw you out of a presidency...infact NO ONE REALLY CARES BUT YOU!! I see people asking about Amazon web services... a company owned by Jeff Bezos... the SECOND RICHEST MAN ON THE PLANET... It hosts so many things... heck even I have web services running off it as well as Azure!! We are like that guy who gets a safcom sim card and as soon as there are some problems - we think Safaricom has teamed up with your neighbor who you have a boundary dispute with to screw you... YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT!! Safaricom may tell ALL it's customers that they are important (AS A GROUP) but you individually.... sorry... not so important. on Al Ghurair - well... if ever there was a company that is printing for almost all Election Commissions that I have worked for - thats them! not just ballot papers, OMR forms e.t.c. this is a huge global company... it was not started to screw you and your ballot papers. Mark you IEBC moved from Smith and Ouzman to al ghurair after the noise of the chicken gate scandal. Sikizeni...Al Ghurair printers is part of a 25,000 people strong conglomerate!! The group has done work on Burj Khalifa, Emirates Towers and the Dubai Metro... this is not a small company designed to screw you out of your presidency as NASA!! SAFRAN/MORPHO/OT-Morpho whatever they call themselves next week is/was part of the french conglomerate that builds aircraft engines!! that group used to produce phones... my first phone was a SAGEM phone.... from the same group!! these are not tu-small one person shops that will screw up their reputations making "algorithms" that prejudice a RAILA presidency... Sikizeni as I am going to say this ONCE!! you are not that important... you may feel important but that is as far as it goes!! you are dwarves at an international scale. So quickly put this election behind you and move towards doing things that will make you slightly taller.  This has got to be the most self defeating post I have ever had the misfortune of wasting my time to read. While us, Kenyans, Kenya may be 1. corrupt thanks to the folk in power who can't keep their filthy hands off our public tills, 2. poor yet we boast of having loads of presidents from certain communities 3. 3rd world because we are in Africa We are important! To ourselves, to our progeny, to our future! No one can and should tell us we are nothing! Who do they think they are? Bloody fwaking! If they think we are nothing they can and should take their everything selves out of our spaces! Just what are they doing here if we are 'not important'? Then they address us as 'you'? Without us they would not be where they now are, with all their plastic self-righteousness. That this nonsense comes from a black African, thundering to us that we are nothings, makes it even more astonishing. He should then go, cut off whatever links he has with us, the 'not-important' guys, and scoot off to his ilk in Europe, Arabia and satan-knows-where-else! Ujinga ipelekwe kwenu!
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