[quote=tycho][quote=tycho][quote=Wakanyugi][quote=tycho]Life, can neither be created nor destroyed, but can only be transformed from one state and form to another.

Death is just an illusion.[/quote]


Amen my brother

What took you so long?[/quote]

I'm still plodding along...[/quote]

I think I've gotten what I've been searching for:

Think about the sun, where does it get its hydrogen supply? If you check on google you'll get many results indicating that the sun's hydrogen supply is depletable. Thus the sun can and will die.

But look at the following scenario. In a blackbody with chemicals like water for example, the inherent electromagnetic fields would weaken hydrogen bonds and would work like electrolytic cells... thus the hydrogen atoms would be free to teleport to the sun-the suns demand for hydrogen being the reason for the teleport. Thus the hydrogen supply would be in a cycle.

If my thinking is correct then the quasi-constant cosmology would hold and thus the first assertion about life never ending.
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Me I think you don't have to invoke teleportation in order to explain the perpetual and cyclic nature of the cosnmos.

Just answer the question, where does the matter that falls into a black hole end up?

My theory is that it ends ups in an alternate Universe that is partly mapped onto this one. Thus many stars could be reverse blackholes.

Could this also explain the black matter/black energy phenomenon?

[quote=tycho][quote=Wakanyugi][quote=tycho][quote=tycho][quote=Wakanyugi][quote=tycho]Life, can neither be created nor destroyed, but can only be transformed from one state and form to another.

Death is just an illusion.[/quote]


Amen my brother

What took you so long?[/quote]

I'm still plodding along...[/quote]

I think I've gotten what I've been searching for:

Think about the sun, where does it get its hydrogen supply? If you check on google you'll get many results indicating that the sun's hydrogen supply is depletable. Thus the sun can and will die.

But look at the following scenario. In a blackbody with chemicals like water for example, the inherent electromagnetic fields would weaken hydrogen bonds and would work like electrolytic cells... thus the hydrogen atoms would be free to teleport to the sun-the suns demand for hydrogen being the reason for the teleport. Thus the hydrogen supply would be in a cycle.

If my thinking is correct then the quasi-constant cosmology would hold and thus the first assertion about life never ending.
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Me I think you don't have to invoke teleportation in order to explain the perpetual and cyclic nature of the cosnmos.

Just answer the question, where does the matter that falls into a black hole end up?

My theory is that it ends ups in an alternate Universe that is partly mapped onto this one. Thus many stars could be reverse blackholes.

Could this also explain the black matter/black energy phenomenon?
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I don't think you understood what I was saying. But to use your argument: If the laws of the universe are uniform and there's another universe attached to it, then that implies that this other universe has the same laws.
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Of course I didn't understand much of what you wrote, it would be news if I did. But I get the broad drift and I was just trying to simplify things.

Let me get even more simplistic. There are two broad classes of so called 'immutable' laws of the Universe, both of which you allude to:

(1) The Newton/Einstein class: essentially physical laws that try to describe the action and interaction between two/four basic elements: space/time, matter/energy and the forces, waves and particles they generate. Together these laws describe all the macro and much of the micro Universe too.

(2) The Plank/Pauli/Heisenberg class: Quantum mechanics, which describes fundamental reality as essentially probability waves - no fixed states or locations.

The link between the two is the observer. Observation is the singular act that collapses the quantum probability waves to enable particles or processes to acquire discrete states and locations - to behave according to the first set of laws.

This, as I have often argued, proves that the reality we take for granted is not real, otherwise it should not change by the simple act of observation. Or, to put it another way, since the micro Universe is the foundation on which the macro Universe rests, then the reality we perceive is subject to the same quantum, probability, laws and what we perceive as discrete reality is actually illusion.

In other words you, Tycho, do not exist except as a wave function - a set of all probabilities that could ever be. The day I observe you that wave will collapse for me and I will select one of those probabilities and hold it as my illusory estimation (a macro description) of the entity Tycho. But in reality you will still be a probability wave, only I will no longer perceive you that way.

[quote=tycho]@Wakanyugi, there's no observer. Only probabilities choosing and forming themselves.

Tycho is only a probable set description. The more Tycho tries to be Tycho, the less he becomes. In that case Tycho is dead.[/quote]

This is an interesting take Tycho, that the observer is a probability wave too. I think you are right but I have have to think about it some more.

Meanwhile here is my key lesson from all this:

The quantum state applies to individuals as well as to the micro and macro Universe. You Tycho are a set of infinite probability waves representing the range of all you are, have been and could ever be.

You select which wave to collapse (become) through the act of observation (or choice)

You can become anything you ever want so long as you apply your consciousness to choosing it. The quantum Universe demands it.

You create your reality.

[quote=tycho][quote=Wakanyugi][quote=tycho]@Wakanyugi, there's no observer. Only probabilities choosing and forming themselves.

Tycho is only a probable set description. The more Tycho tries to be Tycho, the less he becomes. In that case Tycho is dead.[/quote]

This is an interesting take Tycho, that the observer is a probability wave too. I think you are right but I have have to think about it some more.

Meanwhile here is my key lesson from all this:

The quantum state applies to individuals as well as to the micro and macro Universe. You Tycho are a set of infinite probability waves representing the range of all you are, have been and could ever be.

You select which wave to collapse (become) through the act of observation (or choice)

You can become anything you ever want so long as you apply your consciousness to choosing it. The quantum Universe demands it.

You create your reality.
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An 'individual' is an abstraction we make. Let's start by asking how humans work. Google doesn't have a direct answer to this question. But we can figure it out ourselves if we have sufficient info.

One important bit of info comes from the Indian philosopher Patanjali. There's a distinction between 'awareness' and 'consciousness' and that when you become aware then there's no need for knowledge.

I've been working to understand the difference and it's there! So consciousness isn't the big thing we take it to be.

Besides, let's consider what psychology/psychiatry or even cognitive science tells us about consciousness... it can be misguided without us knowing it for example.

My point: reality creates itself. Our agency is an abstraction and or a compulsion of forces on us. The most 'we' can do is optimize our states of being and accepting everything. [/quote]

Awareness versus consciousness

My take: Consciousness is a tool. Awareness is a state. We apply consciousness in order to arrive at awareness and other states.

We also apply the tool of consciousness to create reality, by collapsing select wave functions, thus allowing quantum reality to morph into 3D reality.

Reality does not create itself. How can it, when observation seems to be an absolute requirement - ala quantum theory - in its creation? If there is observation it logically follows there must be an observer, no?

As for individuality, yes I agree with you. It is an illusion, a useful one though as it enables differentiation and simplification of what would otherwise be very complex reality. Ultimately all there is Unity/Singularity and quantum mechanics implies this, seeing as many of its weird states and behaviors are resolved if we discount the existence of space/time.

Poor Einstein. I fear his days are numbered.

http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/leibniz1714b.pdf

Leibniz, Spinoza; especially the latter has been in my mind so much in the past few days.

What leads a philosopher to choose a vocation save the implication of his understanding of life?

So when Spinoza chose grinding lenses what did it imply to our subject of conversation? I suspect the monad is at the heart of the answer. Else how could he be so confident of his freedom?

[quote]Spinoza was offered the chair of philosophy at the University of Heidelberg, but he refused it, perhaps because of the possibility that it might in some way curb his freedom of thought.[/quote]