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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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There has been uncomfortable ruble rousing by DPRK lately. Past 1 week alone, Kim ani (these people...arrrgh! they are everywhere) has threatened to nuke Australia (Thur last week) and to sink USS Carl Vinson (Sunday). They also filmed Mike Karen Pence (America got 2 for price of one there)at DMZ. If these were normal times, this would pass as usual juvenile-leader rants. But these are NOT normal times. - the military hardware gathering dust everywhere not looking good for defense contractors and need to be put into good use. Besides, someone wants his own war with a good-sized, bad-haired enemy. - the silent jostling for global influence between Xi and Vlad after US abdicated the role last fall. - serious internal fault lines inside DPRK require an external common enemy. That said, sinking the Carl Vinson = WW3. And we look East 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Or is China the rouble rousing... by proxy? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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The world need more guys who can stand up to the oppressor, the bully... that way balance of power is achieved and a chance for peace...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:The world need more guys who can stand up to the oppressor, the bully... that way balance of power is achieved and a chance for peace... By bully do you mean Kim or Trump?
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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wa P wrote:There has been uncomfortable ruble rousing by DPRK lately. Past 1 week alone, Kim ani (these people...arrrgh! they are everywhere) has threatened to nuke Australia (Thur last week) and to sink USS Carl Vinson (Sunday). They also filmed Mike Karen Pence (America got 2 for price of one there)at DMZ. If these were normal times, this would pass as usual juvenile-leader rants. But these are NOT normal times. - the military hardware gathering dust everywhere not looking good for defense contractors and need to be put into good use. Besides, someone wants his own war with a good-sized, bad-haired enemy. - the silent jostling for global influence between Xi and Vlad after US abdicated the role last fall. - serious internal fault lines inside DPRK require an external common enemy. That said, sinking the Carl Vinson = WW3. And we look East I don't think North Korea has the technology to sink a US Aircraft Carrier. They can however target some army base in S Korea or Japan, with devastating effects. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:wa P wrote:There has been uncomfortable ruble rousing by DPRK lately. Past 1 week alone, Kim ani (these people...arrrgh! they are everywhere) has threatened to nuke Australia (Thur last week) and to sink USS Carl Vinson (Sunday). They also filmed Mike Karen Pence (America got 2 for price of one there)at DMZ. If these were normal times, this would pass as usual juvenile-leader rants. But these are NOT normal times. - the military hardware gathering dust everywhere not looking good for defense contractors and need to be put into good use. Besides, someone wants his own war with a good-sized, bad-haired enemy. - the silent jostling for global influence between Xi and Vlad after US abdicated the role last fall. - serious internal fault lines inside DPRK require an external common enemy. That said, sinking the Carl Vinson = WW3. And we look East I don't think North Korea has the technology to sink a US Aircraft Carrier. They can however target some army base in S Korea or Japan, with devastating effects. I've always wondered, are South Korea and Japan incapable of defending themselves? It's always about US and China when it comes to North Korea.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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North Korea crisis could 'get out of control': China's UN envoyQuote:United Nations (United States) (AFP) - China's UN ambassador on Monday warned of "disastrous" consequences if world powers fail to find a way to ease tensions with North Korea which he said could "get out of control". Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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2012 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:The world need more guys who can stand up to the oppressor, the bully... that way balance of power is achieved and a chance for peace... By bully do you mean Kim or Trump? Is it your goggles making you ask an obvious question?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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2012 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:wa P wrote:There has been uncomfortable ruble rousing by DPRK lately. Past 1 week alone, Kim ani (these people...arrrgh! they are everywhere) has threatened to nuke Australia (Thur last week) and to sink USS Carl Vinson (Sunday). They also filmed Mike Karen Pence (America got 2 for price of one there)at DMZ. If these were normal times, this would pass as usual juvenile-leader rants. But these are NOT normal times. - the military hardware gathering dust everywhere not looking good for defense contractors and need to be put into good use. Besides, someone wants his own war with a good-sized, bad-haired enemy. - the silent jostling for global influence between Xi and Vlad after US abdicated the role last fall. - serious internal fault lines inside DPRK require an external common enemy. That said, sinking the Carl Vinson = WW3. And we look East I don't think North Korea has the technology to sink a US Aircraft Carrier. They can however target some army base in S Korea or Japan, with devastating effects. I've always wondered, are South Korea and Japan incapable of defending themselves? It's always about US and China when it comes to North Korea. Japan and South Korea can defend themselves very well, the problem is that of proximity, if North Korea launched a missile say into Seoul or even southern Japan, there would be very little warning and the effects would be devastating to the populations and extremely catastrophic if that missile was nuclear tipped. Both countries would certainly retaliate and probably defeat N Korea but this is a war they don't want cause they would be losing much more economically than their adversary. Now if the missile were say an ICBM, then it would be very difficult to intercept and would probably hit any target they wanted because ICBM, generally first go into space and their re-entry positions are not easy to predict so even if you have interceptors (like THAADS, or the Israeli Iron Dome), they may be short off after a targets that are miles away from their flight paths. Now an aircraft carrier is different. Its not a stationery target, it moves accross the ocean so first, you would need to find it and fire your weapons from a very short distance and hope it has not moved too far at the time of target acquisition. But even if you were to get the target acquisition, the missiles would still struggle to penetrate its multi-layered defence system. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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UN imposes debilitating sanctions on North KoreaQuote:The U.N. Security Council unanimously approved tough new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday including a ban on coal and other exports totaling more than $1 billion — a huge bite in its total exports, valued at $3 billion last year Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Nandwa wrote:UN imposes debilitating sanctions on North KoreaQuote:The U.N. Security Council unanimously approved tough new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday including a ban on coal and other exports totaling more than $1 billion — a huge bite in its total exports, valued at $3 billion last year You love these sanctions... It makes your heart so happy to see Uncle Sam bully someone, and especially if that someone is does give a hoot about 1sr@el, eh!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:UN imposes debilitating sanctions on North KoreaQuote:The U.N. Security Council unanimously approved tough new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday including a ban on coal and other exports totaling more than $1 billion — a huge bite in its total exports, valued at $3 billion last year You love these sanctions... It makes your heart so happy to see Uncle Sam bully someone, and especially if that someone is does give a hoot about 1sr@el, eh! I can bet you that Trump is looking for a war to cool attention from his poor performance.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Trupamba is breathing fire! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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2012 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:UN imposes debilitating sanctions on North KoreaQuote:The U.N. Security Council unanimously approved tough new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday including a ban on coal and other exports totaling more than $1 billion — a huge bite in its total exports, valued at $3 billion last year You love these sanctions... It makes your heart so happy to see Uncle Sam bully someone, and especially if that someone is does give a hoot about 1sr@el, eh! I can bet you that Trump is looking for a war to cool attention from his poor performance. murchr wrote:Trupamba is breathing fire! @murchr, @2012 I agree with you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Now, what does this boy want? This last missile literary landed on Japan's waters. Why is this mad man threatening his fellow mad brother, Trump?
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:Now, what does this boy want? This last missile literary landed on Japan's waters.
Why is this mad man threatening his fellow mad brother, Trump? I tend to be wrong on these things but I hope I am right on this one Quote:Barking Dogs Never Bite. Barking Dogs Never Bite The fellow is looking for Legitimacy - a seat on the table, recognition ... Kinda like Turkey using Syrians to arm twist the EU. It's the age of Real Politik! If I am wrong... Oh well... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:2012 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:wa P wrote:There has been uncomfortable ruble rousing by DPRK lately. Past 1 week alone, Kim ani (these people...arrrgh! they are everywhere) has threatened to nuke Australia (Thur last week) and to sink USS Carl Vinson (Sunday). They also filmed Mike Karen Pence (America got 2 for price of one there)at DMZ. If these were normal times, this would pass as usual juvenile-leader rants. But these are NOT normal times. - the military hardware gathering dust everywhere not looking good for defense contractors and need to be put into good use. Besides, someone wants his own war with a good-sized, bad-haired enemy. - the silent jostling for global influence between Xi and Vlad after US abdicated the role last fall. - serious internal fault lines inside DPRK require an external common enemy. That said, sinking the Carl Vinson = WW3. And we look East I don't think North Korea has the technology to sink a US Aircraft Carrier. They can however target some army base in S Korea or Japan, with devastating effects. I've always wondered, are South Korea and Japan incapable of defending themselves? It's always about US and China when it comes to North Korea. Japan and South Korea can defend themselves very well, the problem is that of proximity, if North Korea launched a missile say into Seoul or even southern Japan, there would be very little warning and the effects would be devastating to the populations and extremely catastrophic if that missile was nuclear tipped. Both countries would certainly retaliate and probably defeat N Korea but this is a war they don't want cause they would be losing much more economically than their adversary. Now if the missile were say an ICBM, then it would be very difficult to intercept and would probably hit any target they wanted because ICBM, generally first go into space and their re-entry positions are not easy to predict so even if you have interceptors (like THAADS, or the Israeli Iron Dome), they may be short off after a targets that are miles away from their flight paths. Now an aircraft carrier is different. Its not a stationery target, it moves accross the ocean so first, you would need to find it and fire your weapons from a very short distance and hope it has not moved too far at the time of target acquisition. But even if you were to get the target acquisition, the missiles would still struggle to penetrate its multi-layered defence system. With all the eyes in the sky storey versus aegis, radar technology all of which i take with a pinch, how would air malaysia have had lost their jetlinner? Nah, penetration is real. ICBM are marely a dot in radar signuture as compared to a jetliner. A homing aircraft carrier at sea would definitely be a hit on time basis owing to the fact that the later is at snails phase speed 40 to 100max knots per hour speed as compared to icbm over 17000kph speed. Nukes is the way to go, who needs a big brother in his or her own suvereign country afterall. USA is a country born out of war by forcefull occupation of America against the will of the natives. They have grown their tentacles almost to every being living on earth so far and some has to draw the red line already. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,702
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Some context in this saga. Kim Jong Un is the Chairman of the Workers Party of Korea and one of the 5 members of the Politburo Standing Committee. He is the supreme leader but he has 4 other guys who form part of the highest leadership body. There is a structure here and people who talk of Kim Jong Un as if he is a lone warrior will miss the significance of his actions.
Kim Jong Un is 33 years old. The other members of the Standing Committee are ages 89, 78, 77 and 67. Kim Jong Un could very well be the grandchild of the other Politburo Committee members. The 89 year old guy, his name is Kim Yong-nam is President of the Supreme Peoples Assembly and was the Foreign affairs Minister for 15 years for both Kim Jong Un's father Kim Jong Il and his Guka Kim Il Sung. Its actually interesting that he became Foreign Affairs Minister the year Kim Jong Un was born. All the other guys were all at one time of the other in Kims father or grandfathers government.
Korea had been occupied (colonised) by the Japanese for 35 years from 1910 to 1945 and the Japanese were very brutal to the Koreans. During the Korean War it is said not a single building was left standing in North Korea by the time Americans were done bombing it. About 2 million people died.
Muarmar Gadafi was sweet talked by the Americans until he gave up development of Nuclear Weapons. They at one time made him believe that he was their friend. North Korea had also entered into a disarmament program and from 1994 to 2003 was actually complying. I even remember watching on TV demolitions of Nuclear power plants. Other countries that also gave up their programs include South Africa. In 2002 president Bush used the term Axis of evil to describe North Korea, Iran and Iraq but there was a bigger group that included Libya, Cuba and Syria that would all be treated as enemies.
The wazees of North Korea have seen all this stuff and have come to the conclusion that they do not have a friend in the world. Do not trust anybody. Build yourself up to where you can defend yourself and then you deal with the outside world as equals. Kim Jong Un is actually being very rational.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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North Korea should be totally destroyed, Rocket man is on a suicide mission - Trump at UNGA "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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This is a banking issue and so is every other US led invasion.In Libya one of the first thing rebels did was to form a central bank
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