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Round 2 is time to finish off baba politically
muandiwambeu
#81 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 4:20:24 PM
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Shak wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
safariant wrote:
safariant wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
hardwood wrote:
57 days to go. That supreme court ruling was the worst thing to happen to baba. Coz the forthcoming defeat will silence him forever. He should have retired with the dignity of 6m votes. But as they say tamaa na ojinga iliua fisi. Time to cut off the snakes head in round 2.



Beyond the numbers it will be our duty to ensure that the form 34A and 34B are the proper ones with all the required features ,are correctly filled and sent to Bomas in the prescribed way.This calls for getting out Agents in good time and training them on those issues.That in my understanding is where the issues lie.Unless the servers have a different story in terms of numbers which so far nobody even NASWA has talked about.

It must be kichapo cha T9




Anyone with a list of the fake form 34A's & 34B's?
Which areas?

Anyone with this info?


They are all from NASA strongholds. Apparently when the results started streaming in and it was evident that Nyanza super alliance was loosing, Jimmy Orengo called his agents and instructed them not to sign. Returning officers in the so called strongholds also participated in making the whole process technically UN-constitutional. I hold the view that if Jubilee did not steal this elections then RAO is cooked

A. Isn't he likely to do this again if he sees himself loosing? Jubilee need to do some serious strategising. This is nothing short of sabotage. Chebukati should also be very strict and ensure that he scrutinizes all the forms from the polling stations and B. if any are defective they should be cancelled

I strongly agree with observation A. and strongly disagree with your opinion B, above highlighted.
Reasons for disagreeing being detection process is not void of manipulation.
However I may suggest that on detection, such votes should be recounted if the votes cast are valid and the process is acceptable.
The court should also not attempt curing errors of a process that the petitioners have not suggested solutions to prior and turned down before voting is done. Actually, the candidates should not purport to investigate a system of their own interest but encourage their agents to go before the law as complainants within stipulated time after which the supreme court should merge and entertain to hear the case with the candidates being interested parties. Candidates should not petition for process error unless personally wronged will participating in the voting.

All contesting candidates and the voters know the weakness of the system and therefore should prior to voting agree on the minimum acceptable criteria as may be from time to time.

Casting process involves human voter, the machines, venue, supervisors and the oversights. Machines may be error free but human is to error.
Otherwise, lets dwell in court and allow Uhuru to be the president to perpetuity as well wait for the perfect human race(angles) to come and design the process cast, supervise and accept the results.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
harrydre
#82 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 4:41:57 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Poor kalooser has been going through hard times. From a high flying VP to sitting on tarmac, being teargassed, his NGO closed, his Wiper party on death bed & now begging for coins?
i.am.back!!!!
muandiwambeu
#83 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 5:02:55 PM
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murchr wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I believe IEBC had the right forms but iko ukora mahali. Someone had fake forms. Is there a list of constituencies/counties that had fake forms out somewhere?


Even with computers, uhunye only managed a paltry 54% .Now that that help won't be forthcoming, your guess is as good as mine.
Raila has out- manoeuvered,Out-witted and out-schemed Ouru in all fronts.


There were no computers involved Jpg files dont change. 54% is more than 44%

Now watch as the cookie crumbles Laughing out loudly


jpg files do not change but u can change the source upon which its ment to be based. changing the original document will change the image taken and uploaded. further, you can opt to read or transmit the wrong result.

Each form 34A, 34B and 34c should have a digital signature such that they can not be replaced with fake ones and that only that with the right signature that the scan can pick the image from. this is above water marks and serialization of the forms.

such forms should be identifiable and be unique to each polling station and candidature(thumbs up for iebc on this). Adulteration of the forms should be investigated as criminal offences that attract maximum punishment prescribed in the constitution such as treason or sedition.

It should be compulsory for Pos, dpos and polling clerks to sign form 34A whether agents sign or not. They are the first witness and should detect errors in the first places and thus must be put to account.

Errors detected at the polling station should be categorized as those that may be avoidable or inherent system errors. Avoidable errors should lead to cancellation of the result if can not be rectifiable unless through a re-vote. If rectifiable, rectify and proceed to pass the result to the next stage. the stage should adhere to a similar accept or reject criteria. Inherent errors should be noted and vote accepted for validation as true results. Committing an avoidable error should attract punishment if not rectified once given the chance to rectify. Un-rectified rectifiable errors can be suctioned for rectification by the court as necessary, otherwise supreme court to supervise the process.

Wacha watu wote wasikizane kuiba, kama sio hivyo mwanaume alambishwe sakafu. Ukiwa na agents vigeugeu bahati mbaya kwako.

,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
murchr
#84 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 5:10:56 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I believe IEBC had the right forms but iko ukora mahali. Someone had fake forms. Is there a list of constituencies/counties that had fake forms out somewhere?


Even with computers, uhunye only managed a paltry 54% .Now that that help won't be forthcoming, your guess is as good as mine.
Raila has out- manoeuvered,Out-witted and out-schemed Ouru in all fronts.


There were no computers involved Jpg files dont change. 54% is more than 44%

Now watch as the cookie crumbles Laughing out loudly


jpg files do not change but u can change the source upon which its ment to be based. changing the original document will change the image taken and uploaded. further, you can opt to read or transmit the wrong result.

Each form 34A, 34B and 34c should have a digital signature such that they can not be replaced with fake ones and that only that with the right signature that the scan can pick the image from. this is above water marks and serialization of the forms.

such forms should be identifiable and be unique to each polling station and candidature(thumbs up for iebc on this). Adulteration of the forms should be investigated as criminal offences that attract maximum punishment prescribed in the constitution such as treason or sedition.

It should be compulsory for Pos, dpos and polling clerks to sign form 34A whether agents sign or not. They are the first witness and should detect errors in the first places and thus must be put to account.

Errors detected at the polling station should be categorized as those that may be avoidable or inherent system errors. Avoidable errors should lead to cancellation of the result if can not be rectifiable unless through a re-vote. If rectifiable, rectify and proceed to pass the result to the next stage. the stage should adhere to a similar accept or reject criteria. Inherent errors should be noted and vote accepted for validation as true results. Committing an avoidable error should attract punishment if not rectified once given the chance to rectify. Un-rectified rectifiable errors can be suctioned for rectification by the court as necessary, otherwise supreme court to supervise the process.

Wacha watu wote wasikizane kuiba, kama sio hivyo mwanaume alambishwe sakafu. Ukiwa na agents vigeugeu bahati mbaya kwako.



These systems were to transmit a document then grey out. What stops mischief by ROs colluding to compromise the elections?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Baratang
#85 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 5:18:46 PM
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harrydre wrote:


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Poor kalooser has been going through hard times. From a high flying VP to sitting on tarmac, being teargassed, his NGO closed, his Wiper party on death bed & now begging for coins?


Kalonzo's starship got wrecked when he joined ODM and he was warned against that. Right now his political survival is in a downward spiral. The fellow does not even seem to be in control of anybody or anything in wiper. Very tragic indeed.
murchr
#86 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 5:19:07 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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muandiwambeu
#87 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 5:35:16 PM
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murchr wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I believe IEBC had the right forms but iko ukora mahali. Someone had fake forms. Is there a list of constituencies/counties that had fake forms out somewhere?


Even with computers, uhunye only managed a paltry 54% .Now that that help won't be forthcoming, your guess is as good as mine.
Raila has out- manoeuvered,Out-witted and out-schemed Ouru in all fronts.


There were no computers involved Jpg files dont change. 54% is more than 44%

Now watch as the cookie crumbles Laughing out loudly


jpg files do not change but u can change the source upon which its ment to be based. changing the original document will change the image taken and uploaded. further, you can opt to read or transmit the wrong result.

Each form 34A, 34B and 34c should have a digital signature such that they can not be replaced with fake ones and that only that with the right signature that the scan can pick the image from. this is above water marks and serialization of the forms.

such forms should be identifiable and be unique to each polling station and candidature(thumbs up for iebc on this). Adulteration of the forms should be investigated as criminal offences that attract maximum punishment prescribed in the constitution such as treason or sedition.

It should be compulsory for Pos, dpos and polling clerks to sign form 34A whether agents sign or not. They are the first witness and should detect errors in the first places and thus must be put to account.

Errors detected at the polling station should be categorized as those that may be avoidable or inherent system errors. Avoidable errors should lead to cancellation of the result if can not be rectifiable unless through a re-vote. If rectifiable, rectify and proceed to pass the result to the next stage. the stage should adhere to a similar accept or reject criteria. Inherent errors should be noted and vote accepted for validation as true results. Committing an avoidable error should attract punishment if not rectified once given the chance to rectify. Un-rectified rectifiable errors can be suctioned for rectification by the court as necessary, otherwise supreme court to supervise the process.

Wacha watu wote wasikizane kuiba, kama sio hivyo mwanaume alambishwe sakafu. Ukiwa na agents vigeugeu bahati mbaya kwako.



These systems were to transmit a document then grey out. What stops mischief by ROs colluding to compromise the elections? Answer-they had no access to original forms 34As neither access to kiems. Anything short of that is probable sabotage.

ROs had nothing to do with presidential votes. P.Os had. probably a RO would only have facilitated.
P.Os did supervise the voting and made voting possible after logistical support by ros.
p.os counted and filled watermarked forms 34As, signed uploaded the figures to kiems, scanned form 34As and transmitted the results both to national, county and constituency tallying centers. Presidential votes were only tallied at national tallying centre. Each po surrendered signed original and duplicate forms 34A to CRO for compilation, filling and onward transmission a process that took some time and not by 0130am at the night of the polling when things are claimed to have gone haywire.
All forms 34A were verifiable to be correctly uploaded via iebc portal. so, each p.o should have taken cognisance of the errors and taken necessary rectification measures. Other stakeholders were also free to do the same.
mimi sio mwalimu wako, get to know the process.smile
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Jump-steady
#88 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 5:36:36 PM
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harrydre wrote:


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Poor kalooser has been going through hard times. From a high flying VP to sitting on tarmac, being teargassed, his NGO closed, his Wiper party on death bed & now begging for coins?


How come he doesn't realize that the account he is soliciting funds for isn't under NASA but RAO's ODMSad
Njung'e
#89 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 6:00:31 PM
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Jump-steady wrote:
[quote=harrydre]

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly




Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .......poor man. afadhali kutoboa macho then find a nice corner and a bowelsmile



Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
murchr
#90 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 6:10:59 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I believe IEBC had the right forms but iko ukora mahali. Someone had fake forms. Is there a list of constituencies/counties that had fake forms out somewhere?


Even with computers, uhunye only managed a paltry 54% .Now that that help won't be forthcoming, your guess is as good as mine.
Raila has out- manoeuvered,Out-witted and out-schemed Ouru in all fronts.


There were no computers involved Jpg files dont change. 54% is more than 44%

Now watch as the cookie crumbles Laughing out loudly


jpg files do not change but u can change the source upon which its ment to be based. changing the original document will change the image taken and uploaded. further, you can opt to read or transmit the wrong result.

Each form 34A, 34B and 34c should have a digital signature such that they can not be replaced with fake ones and that only that with the right signature that the scan can pick the image from. this is above water marks and serialization of the forms.

such forms should be identifiable and be unique to each polling station and candidature(thumbs up for iebc on this). Adulteration of the forms should be investigated as criminal offences that attract maximum punishment prescribed in the constitution such as treason or sedition.

It should be compulsory for Pos, dpos and polling clerks to sign form 34A whether agents sign or not. They are the first witness and should detect errors in the first places and thus must be put to account.

Errors detected at the polling station should be categorized as those that may be avoidable or inherent system errors. Avoidable errors should lead to cancellation of the result if can not be rectifiable unless through a re-vote. If rectifiable, rectify and proceed to pass the result to the next stage. the stage should adhere to a similar accept or reject criteria. Inherent errors should be noted and vote accepted for validation as true results. Committing an avoidable error should attract punishment if not rectified once given the chance to rectify. Un-rectified rectifiable errors can be suctioned for rectification by the court as necessary, otherwise supreme court to supervise the process.

Wacha watu wote wasikizane kuiba, kama sio hivyo mwanaume alambishwe sakafu. Ukiwa na agents vigeugeu bahati mbaya kwako.



These systems were to transmit a document then grey out. What stops mischief by ROs colluding to compromise the elections? Answer-they had no access to original forms 34As neither access to kiems. Anything short of that is probable sabotage.

ROs had nothing to do with presidential votes. P.Os had. probably a RO would only have facilitated.
P.Os did supervise the voting and made voting possible after logistical support by ros.
p.os counted and filled watermarked forms 34As, signed uploaded the figures to kiems, scanned form 34As and transmitted the results both to national, county and constituency tallying centers. Presidential votes were only tallied at national tallying centre. So what stops a mischivious PO from using fake forms Each po surrendered signed original and duplicate forms 34A to CRO for compilation, filling and onward transmission a process that took some time and not by 0130am at the night of the polling when things are claimed to have gone haywire.
All forms 34A were verifiable to be correctly uploaded via iebc portal. so, each p.o should have taken cognisance of the errors and taken necessary rectification measures. Other stakeholders were also free to do the same.
mimi sio mwalimu wako, get to know the process.smile

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kaka2za
#91 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 6:17:49 PM
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murchr wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I believe IEBC had the right forms but iko ukora mahali. Someone had fake forms. Is there a list of constituencies/counties that had fake forms out somewhere?


Even with computers, uhunye only managed a paltry 54% .Now that that help won't be forthcoming, your guess is as good as mine.
Raila has out- manoeuvered,Out-witted and out-schemed Ouru in all fronts.


There were no computers involved Jpg files dont change. 54% is more than 44%

Now watch as the cookie crumbles Laughing out loudly


jpg files do not change but u can change the source upon which its ment to be based. changing the original document will change the image taken and uploaded. further, you can opt to read or transmit the wrong result.

Each form 34A, 34B and 34c should have a digital signature such that they can not be replaced with fake ones and that only that with the right signature that the scan can pick the image from. this is above water marks and serialization of the forms.

such forms should be identifiable and be unique to each polling station and candidature(thumbs up for iebc on this). Adulteration of the forms should be investigated as criminal offences that attract maximum punishment prescribed in the constitution such as treason or sedition.

It should be compulsory for Pos, dpos and polling clerks to sign form 34A whether agents sign or not. They are the first witness and should detect errors in the first places and thus must be put to account.

Errors detected at the polling station should be categorized as those that may be avoidable or inherent system errors. Avoidable errors should lead to cancellation of the result if can not be rectifiable unless through a re-vote. If rectifiable, rectify and proceed to pass the result to the next stage. the stage should adhere to a similar accept or reject criteria. Inherent errors should be noted and vote accepted for validation as true results. Committing an avoidable error should attract punishment if not rectified once given the chance to rectify. Un-rectified rectifiable errors can be suctioned for rectification by the court as necessary, otherwise supreme court to supervise the process.

Wacha watu wote wasikizane kuiba, kama sio hivyo mwanaume alambishwe sakafu. Ukiwa na agents vigeugeu bahati mbaya kwako.



These systems were to transmit a document then grey out. What stops mischief by ROs colluding to compromise the elections? Answer-they had no access to original forms 34As neither access to kiems. Anything short of that is probable sabotage.

ROs had nothing to do with presidential votes. P.Os had. probably a RO would only have facilitated.
P.Os did supervise the voting and made voting possible after logistical support by ros.
p.os counted and filled watermarked forms 34As, signed uploaded the figures to kiems, scanned form 34As and transmitted the results both to national, county and constituency tallying centers. Presidential votes were only tallied at national tallying centre. So what stops a mischivious PO from using fake forms Each po surrendered signed original and duplicate forms 34A to CRO for compilation, filling and onward transmission a process that took some time and not by 0130am at the night of the polling when things are claimed to have gone haywire.
All forms 34A were verifiable to be correctly uploaded via iebc portal. so, each p.o should have taken cognisance of the errors and taken necessary rectification measures. Other stakeholders were also free to do the same.
mimi sio mwalimu wako, get to know the process.smile




Quote; ROs had nothing to do with presidential votes..Did you actually write this?

ROs had everything to do about the votes. After counting and Tallying at the Polling center,Results are declared by the RO.
The main problem is that the PO may erroneously transmit the wrong document via KIEMs but present a correct one to the RO. What can cure this?


Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Lolest!
#92 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 6:30:44 PM
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thuks wrote:
masukuma wrote:
The narrative that Njumbirii "stole" the election and that is why "kinarudiwo" is rather false and may end up stinging NASA ! Kinarudiwo coz of the incompetence of IEBC! If you delude yourself that this was reset because of fraud on Jubilee's side - you have not learnt the lesson and a make-up lesson is coming.

The vitriol has made me believe tyranny has never been but a ploy

Check 2010 referendum results

That was not a hotly contested poll but central's 5 counties had more Yes votes than any other province

Now add their cousins and diaspora before bringing RV

It's real
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
muandiwambeu
#93 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 7:06:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I believe IEBC had the right forms but iko ukora mahali. Someone had fake forms. Is there a list of constituencies/counties that had fake forms out somewhere?


Even with computers, uhunye only managed a paltry 54% .Now that that help won't be forthcoming, your guess is as good as mine.
Raila has out- manoeuvered,Out-witted and out-schemed Ouru in all fronts.


There were no computers involved Jpg files dont change. 54% is more than 44%

Now watch as the cookie crumbles Laughing out loudly


jpg files do not change but u can change the source upon which its ment to be based. changing the original document will change the image taken and uploaded. further, you can opt to read or transmit the wrong result.

Each form 34A, 34B and 34c should have a digital signature*****simply something like barcodes, qr-codes or micro chips at best**** such that they can not be replaced with fake ones and that only that with the right signature that the scanner can pick the image from. this is above water marks and serialization of the forms.tAnswer_This cure the issue of fake forms

such forms should be identifiable and be unique to each polling station and candidature(thumbs up for iebc on this).****this was already done and agents as well as observers should have been keen to check if they cared at all.****Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ####many are allergic to smart phones leave alone kiems, they have a bad storey to tell of their ruined dotas and sons(projects)Sad Sad #### Adulteration of the forms should be investigated as criminal offences that attract maximum punishment prescribed in the constitution such as treason or sedition.

It should be compulsory for Pos, dpos and polling clerks to sign form 34A whether agents sign or not. They are the first witness and should detect errors in the first places and thus must be put to account.

Errors detected at the polling station should be categorized as those that may be avoidable or inherent system errors. Avoidable errors should lead to cancellation of the result if can not be rectifiable unless through a re-vote. If rectifiable, rectify and proceed to pass the result to the next stage. the stage should adhere to a similar accept or reject criteria. Inherent errors should be noted and vote accepted for validation as true results. Committing an avoidable error should attract punishment if not rectified once given the chance to rectify. Un-rectified rectifiable errors can be suctioned for rectification by the court as necessary, otherwise supreme court to supervise the process.

Wacha watu wote wasikizane kuiba, kama sio hivyo mwanaume alambishwe sakafu. Ukiwa na agents vigeugeu bahati mbaya kwako.



These systems were to transmit a document then grey out. What stops mischief by ROs colluding to compromise the elections? Answer-they had no access to original forms 34As neither access to kiems. Anything short of that is probable sabotage.

ROs had nothing to do with presidential votes. P.Os had. probably a RO would only have facilitated.
P.Os did supervise the voting and made voting possible after logistical support by ros.
p.os counted and filled watermarked forms 34As, signed uploaded the figures to kiems, scanned form 34As and transmitted the results both to national, county and constituency tallying centers. Presidential votes were only tallied at national tallying centre. So what stops a mischivious PO from using fake forms Each po surrendered signed original and duplicate forms 34A to CRO for compilation, filling and onward transmission a process that took some time and not by 0130am at the night of the polling when things are claimed to have gone haywire.
All forms 34A were verifiable to be correctly uploaded via iebc portal. so, each p.o should have taken cognisance of the errors and taken necessary rectification measures. Other stakeholders were also free to do the same.
mimi sio mwalimu wako, get to know the process.smile


,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
murchr
#94 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 7:11:58 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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the Star wrote:
IEBC TO HIRE FROM DATABASE

Chebukati noted that they will hire 40,883 officers, 40,883 deputy presiding officers, 135,038 clerks, 580 ICT Support and 290 constituency logistics assistants.

Before the August 8 vote, IEBC sought to recruit 41,940 temporary staff to buttress its capacity during the voter verification exercise.

The temporary jobs included 290 constituency ICT clerks, 1,450 register of voters verification assistants and 40,200 voter verification clerks.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Kusadikika
#95 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 8:35:46 PM
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murchr wrote:


the Star wrote:
IEBC TO HIRE FROM DATABASE

Chebukati noted that they will hire 40,883 officers, 40,883 deputy presiding officers, 135,038 clerks, 580 ICT Support and 290 constituency logistics assistants.

Before the August 8 vote, IEBC sought to recruit 41,940 temporary staff to buttress its capacity during the voter verification exercise.

The temporary jobs included 290 constituency ICT clerks, 1,450 register of voters verification assistants and 40,200 voter verification clerks.


Who is smarter now Kenyans with our ICT system or Gambians with their marbles?


We just have a lot of ujuaji but are in real sense we are not very smart, I guess that is what Kibaki was trying to tell us but we did not listen. Nchi pumbavu.
murchr
#96 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 8:40:26 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
murchr wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I believe IEBC had the right forms but iko ukora mahali. Someone had fake forms. Is there a list of constituencies/counties that had fake forms out somewhere?


Even with computers, uhunye only managed a paltry 54% .Now that that help won't be forthcoming, your guess is as good as mine.
Raila has out- manoeuvered,Out-witted and out-schemed Ouru in all fronts.


There were no computers involved Jpg files dont change. 54% is more than 44%

Now watch as the cookie crumbles Laughing out loudly


jpg files do not change but u can change the source upon which its ment to be based. changing the original document will change the image taken and uploaded. further, you can opt to read or transmit the wrong result.

Each form 34A, 34B and 34c should have a digital signature such that they can not be replaced with fake ones and that only that with the right signature that the scan can pick the image from. this is above water marks and serialization of the forms.

such forms should be identifiable and be unique to each polling station and candidature(thumbs up for iebc on this). Adulteration of the forms should be investigated as criminal offences that attract maximum punishment prescribed in the constitution such as treason or sedition.

It should be compulsory for Pos, dpos and polling clerks to sign form 34A whether agents sign or not. They are the first witness and should detect errors in the first places and thus must be put to account.

Errors detected at the polling station should be categorized as those that may be avoidable or inherent system errors. Avoidable errors should lead to cancellation of the result if can not be rectifiable unless through a re-vote. If rectifiable, rectify and proceed to pass the result to the next stage. the stage should adhere to a similar accept or reject criteria. Inherent errors should be noted and vote accepted for validation as true results. Committing an avoidable error should attract punishment if not rectified once given the chance to rectify. Un-rectified rectifiable errors can be suctioned for rectification by the court as necessary, otherwise supreme court to supervise the process.

Wacha watu wote wasikizane kuiba, kama sio hivyo mwanaume alambishwe sakafu. Ukiwa na agents vigeugeu bahati mbaya kwako.



These systems were to transmit a document then grey out. What stops mischief by ROs colluding to compromise the elections? Answer-they had no access to original forms 34As neither access to kiems. Anything short of that is probable sabotage.

ROs had nothing to do with presidential votes. P.Os had. probably a RO would only have facilitated.
P.Os did supervise the voting and made voting possible after logistical support by ros.
p.os counted and filled watermarked forms 34As, signed uploaded the figures to kiems, scanned form 34As and transmitted the results both to national, county and constituency tallying centers. Presidential votes were only tallied at national tallying centre. So what stops a mischivious PO from using fake forms Each po surrendered signed original and duplicate forms 34A to CRO for compilation, filling and onward transmission a process that took some time and not by 0130am at the night of the polling when things are claimed to have gone haywire.
All forms 34A were verifiable to be correctly uploaded via iebc portal. so, each p.o should have taken cognisance of the errors and taken necessary rectification measures. Other stakeholders were also free to do the same.
mimi sio mwalimu wako, get to know the process.smile




Quote; ROs had nothing to do with presidential votes..Did you actually write this?

ROs had everything to do about the votes. After counting and Tallying at the Polling center,Results are declared by the RO.
The main problem is that the PO may erroneously transmit the wrong document via KIEMs but present a correct one to the RO. What can cure this?





Ofcourse not me but @muhandiwambeu trying to twist the truth here. RO keyed in resutls from every polling station and filled in the forms at the polling station. But he insisted on POs and tallying of Presidential results being at Bomas - But anyway round 2 17/10/2017
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Kusadikika
#97 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 8:50:50 PM
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Let us not complicate simple things.

This system has worked for more than 50 years in Gambia and even a dictator could not rig himself in.



Even if there is a dispute the Supreme court does not need to hear about algorithms and deminimis. Everything is very clear.

washiku
#98 Posted : Saturday, September 09, 2017 12:56:56 AM
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Gathige
#99 Posted : Saturday, September 09, 2017 2:34:37 AM
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washiku wrote:





David Ndii must be carrying out a social experiment and using SKM and RAO as the Guinea pigs. Otherwise how can you explain a former Premier and VP doing such a thing on a live broadcast.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
harrydre
#100 Posted : Saturday, September 09, 2017 3:01:59 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Let us not complicate simple things.

This system has worked for more than 50 years in Gambia and even a dictator could not rig himself in.



Even if there is a dispute the Supreme court does not need to hear about algorithms and deminimis. Everything is very clear.



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