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muandiwambeu
#31 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 2:25:55 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

And you would have trusted cdc to do due deligence for you. Narrow shave. Karibu niruke ndani with all my eggs. Just lucky an inner voice kept me behind the schedule. This counter looked like the last bus remaining on the stage for the just ended mini bull rally. Time for the bulls to exit the stage and welcome the bears on the drivers seat.
Nothing remaining to write home about this economy versa the just prescribe supreme dose of political maladies and malaise. Time to fold up as reasonable gentlsmen 🙌🙌💂👧
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
VituVingiSana
#32 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 11:41:01 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:52:15 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Wait.. @vvs was trading stocks in the late 90s

KQ ABP 4.26
target1360
#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 8:07:06 AM
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i told guys to be worried about firms that carry alot of debt.I hope people listened
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
VituVingiSana
#35 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 8:29:15 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Wait.. @vvs was trading stocks in the late 90s

#MzeeNiMimi so when you pretend to educate some of us on "history" Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Firms grow and fall.

Barclays was UNTOUCHABLE. Even StanChart was a distant 2nd. KCB looked big but it was all fake profits under Kaminchia and Bii.
KQ was floundering at 8 [when I first bought them and the firm was doing well under Presbury. Naikuni rode the wave but then got greedy. Mudany (of KenGen) was CFO of KQ]
Bamburi saw profits SOAR after price controls were lifted. People like BC Patel made billions by being in the right place at the right time.
KPLC was 20/- and then soared to 200/- as tariffs were increased & after reforms including the removal of Gichuru.
KenGen ("Milkshake") brought the boys to the yard. Money poured into the NSE.

Hubris. Over-expansion [fast growth fueled by debt] can destroy a promising firm. Look at ARM or KQ.
Something similar happened with KenGen [huge debt until GoK converted debt to equity]. Or KPLC. As a rule, I do not like GoK firms coz of the poor financial performance and corruption. I have KenRe but I watch it as much as possible. If I feel things are going the other way, I will bail out.

EABL took on a lot of debt to get into TZ and it is paying a heavy price.
Unga almost went bankrupt when the interest rates soared. It sold the iconic Chester House and Unga House to pay down debt. It also sold Elianto [though I believe that was a shady deal].

Then scams like Merali's firms eg Firestone & Eveready.
Gems [not all is perfect all the time but on balance Applause Applause Applause ] like Aga Khan firms.

Solid firms like BAT have done well. Very little debt vs the profitability of the firm.

Learn from history. That's why I became extremely wary of KQ in 2012 when I saw the presentation/info on "Project Mawingu" ... and I bailed out.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#36 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:21:15 PM
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ARM Cement’s deeper losses have compelled it to embark on a new round of fundraising that will see the company sell a stake to a new investor in the short term, diluting existing shareholders.

The company, which recently raised Sh14 billion by issuing a 42 per cent equity to UK-based CDC Group, says it requires additional funds to steady current operations and fund new investments.

Chief executive Pradeep Paunrana told the Business Daily the amount to be raised from the sale is yet to be determined, adding that the company’s existing major shareholders will provide debt funding in the interim period when it will also complete the sale of its fertiliser business.

“We will first sell the non-cement business, take short term shareholder loans and then bring a strategic long-term investor,” Mr Paunrana said.

“We will do what is right for all shareholders to restore the value. The value has been eroded because of our Tanzanian operations.”

Mr Paunrana said CDC will remain a shareholder in the company and has opted not to pump in more capital because it has reached its limit as an institutional investor.

ARM will prefer to get a cement firm to bring in capital, operational and technical expertise but other investors are also being considered.
They chased away Bamburi cement when it was it's major shareholder.When Bamburi was there company was doing well

The fundraising was prompted by deeper losses in the half year ended June which Mr Paunrana attributed to its Tanzanian business.

The firm’s net loss stood at Sh1.4 billion in the review period, widening 5.3 times from Sh266.7 million a year earlier.

“We were selling cement at a price below cost in Tanzania for the past six months,” Mr Paunrana said, adding that the commodity’s price in the Dar market fell from $88 per tonne in September last year to lows of $60 per tonne this year.

The price wars were sparked by the entry of Nigeria’s Dangote Cement which is known to slash prices to gain market share, hobbling weaker players.

Besides raising new funds, ARM is also planning to restructure its current debt to 10-year obligations to ease pressure on its cash flows.

http://www.businessdaily...84080-28p17mz/index.html
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sparkly
#37 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 1:38:21 PM
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target1360 wrote:
i told guys to be worried about firms that carry alot of debt.I hope people listened


True. The lesson is clear as day that imprudent use of debt is fatal. If not sure, just avoid companies with debt.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Ebenyo
#38 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 1:51:18 PM
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sparkly wrote:
target1360 wrote:
i told guys to be worried about firms that carry alot of debt.I hope people listened


True. The lesson is clear as day that imprudent use of debt is fatal. If not sure, just avoid companies with debt.



it depends with the impact of the debt in the general financial health of a company.Kengen is a good company with huge debts but uses it in a very healthy manner.The recent results of Kengen shows a positive cash flow.That means they are using the debts productively.The cash flow statement is the ultimate thermometer of a company.Whats their ability to generate cash from operations,financing and investing activities? A good company should positively generate cash from these angles.
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VituVingiSana
#39 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 7:46:45 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
sparkly wrote:
target1360 wrote:
i told guys to be worried about firms that carry alot of debt.I hope people listened


True. The lesson is clear as day that imprudent use of debt is fatal. If not sure, just avoid companies with debt.



it depends with the impact of the debt in the general financial health of a company.Kengen is a good company with huge debts but uses it in a very healthy manner.The recent results of Kengen shows a positive cash flow.That means they are using the debts productively.The cash flow statement is the ultimate thermometer of a company.Whats their ability to generate cash from operations,financing and investing activities? A good company should positively generate cash from these angles.

Please look at KenGen's financial statements pre-Rights. GoK converted huge loans to equity. KenGen came close to beaching certain debt covenants.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#40 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 8:06:13 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
sparkly wrote:
target1360 wrote:
i told guys to be worried about firms that carry alot of debt.I hope people listened


True. The lesson is clear as day that imprudent use of debt is fatal. If not sure, just avoid companies with debt.



it depends with the impact of the debt in the general financial health of a company.Kengen is a good company with huge debts but uses it in a very healthy manner.The recent results of Kengen shows a positive cash flow.That means they are using the debts productively.The cash flow statement is the ultimate thermometer of a company.Whats their ability to generate cash from operations,financing and investing activities? A good company should positively generate cash from these angles.

Please look at KenGen's financial statements pre-Rights. GoK converted huge loans to equity. KenGen came close to beaching certain debt covenants.


GoK converted the debt to Equity so that the company could take more debt.
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