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Fresh PORK elections in 60 days – as ordered by SCORK.
Shak
#81 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56:49 AM
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Gathige wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Raila has rejected new polls date, says thorny issue must be dealt with first



Baba may not participate in this one. He was not consulted when IEBC was setting the date

Expected."We were not consulted"
gmg
#82 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 11:37:37 AM
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A one week difference won't reduce his followers
Much Know
#83 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 11:57:27 AM
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Shak wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Raila has rejected new polls date, says thorny issue must be dealt with first



Baba may not participate in this one. He was not consulted when IEBC was setting the date

Expected."We were not consulted"

Even if he is consulted, we do not know what Magara will say since they are the ones deciding everything, they may rule it was wrong not to consult baba and if they consult magara may ask why they wasted time as an independent body to follow his orders. Forget the election, Uhuru is our duly elected President for the next five years, we need to let it sink in slowly.
Ras Kienyeji Man
madollar
#84 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:08:18 PM
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gmg wrote:
A one week difference won't reduce his followers

Who benefits most if elections are not held soonest obviously jubilee with its resources all it needs is time and raila will not know what hit him again NASA is prone to blunders and nothing will change the sooner the better for them
limanika
#85 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:27:00 PM
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Shak wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Raila has rejected new polls date, says thorny issue must be dealt with first



Baba may not participate in this one. He was not consulted when IEBC was setting the date

Expected."We were not consulted"

Yaaaaawn...!
Impunity
#86 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:33:19 PM
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I told you.
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hindsight
#87 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:38:44 PM
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My thoughts...

I have very much followed the court ruling and proceedings that led to invalidation and annulment of the last presidential elections;

These are quite agreeable issues from the ruling;

1) That a FRESH election be held within 60 days from the date of the ruling.

2) That the IEBC conduct the said elections as per 1) above.

3) That the above 1) and 2) above be done according to the rule of law and the constitution.

Now here is where things get "thick"/Disagreement start to all the stake holders (IEBC/NASA/Jubilee/Voters etc)

As per above my humble understanding is this;

1)That a FRESH election be held within 60 days from the date of the ruling.

That Fresh election according to the constitution ,is that all presidential contestants are allowed to vie and those who are willing not to vie can withdraw and support (Though not a must) other candidates. In so doing their names won't be in the ballot.

The 2013 decision that seems to be the one informed the IEBC on having two candidates can't really stand in law. Reason the constitution state as follows;

I believe it's under article 2,4 of the Chapter One - Sovereignty of the People and Supremacy of this Constitution

"Any law, including customary law, that is inconsistent with this Constitution is void to the extent of the inconsistency, and any act or omission in contravention of this Constitution is invalid."

Hence any way you look at it the IEBC are really not reading the law as it ought to.


2) That the IEBC conduct the said elections as per 1) above.

My court interpretation is that the IEBC should hold the election within 60 days. What stakeholders fails to realize is that the court directed the IEBC as an institution as mandated under the constitution. Hence the commissioners and the secretariat are just a component of the IEBC. Hence all stake holders including NASA are aware that removing the commissioners is a tall order unless voluntary through resignation. What Jubilee is arguing that the IEBC as currently constituted can't be touched is very misleading ,as even Chebukati have indicated that the secretariat and their systems needs evaluation and changes made where needed. The criteria of the same is what the stakeholders should be looking at openly and objectively.

3) That the above 1) and 2) above be done according to the rule of law and the constitution.

I think the law is very clear as well as the constitution. The IEBC should just follow what the laws says regardless whether the full ruling is released yet by the supreme court .what am really lost on is the IEBC lack of leadership when under scrutiny to do the right thing. I highlight their failure...

1) If they/their lawyers have no clear direction on the ruling,they could have filed for the same under the supreme court before subjecting the country to a circus. (This begs the question ,is it the IEBC lawyers do not understand what is the rule of the law and what the constitution says?)

2) Being an independent body ,they also need to carry the mandate as per the rule of law and constitution.One of the election act
contemplates inclusion of the stakeholders on the process of the election. They have failed to do that by just announcing a date
without consultation with atleast key players/those interested to hear their reasoning. Then what will they do,is to intimate they are not been given space to carry out their mandate. That's a lot of "madness",as ignorance can't be justified by not doing the right thing in the first place.

I believe the whole saga on this pre-election,election and post election period lies on the fact that ,the government of the day (Jubilee) doesn't appreciate the constitution and powers it gives it's citizenry who includes political players like NASA and the Judiciary and the citizen. This is complicated by IEBC who seem to be ignorant of their mandate as per the dictates of the constitution.This has resulted to unfolding events which will ultimately lead to one thing only.

"Regardless of who you are,your position or personality etc until you can follow the laid down law and the constitution,you are just yapping and wasting Kenyans time and resources ". Hence whether you are Jubilee or Nasa supporter. Kindly lets the Kenya constitution guide us and avoid side shows!

Apologies for the long post!

Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
kawambui
#88 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:41:09 PM
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washiku wrote:
Amores wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Is that what supreme Court ordered or IEBC Wants to screw this again? Fresh elections means all should run.


No,according to the 2013 ruling,it the president-elect and the petitioner who should run and the winner needs a simple majority.


Actually mathematically speaking when its two people running the winner will automatically be above the 50+1...Isn't it?



Yep. Unless the rejected votes are included in the tally.
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
Ngalaka
#89 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 1:08:51 PM
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We are in a bind. It would have been better if the election was open to all. That way, at least an election would be held even if Raila boycotts.
Right now if Raila stays away, the situation looks bad.

Maranga gave Raila a cord with which to tie Kenya in a bind.

If he boycotts, citing IEBC as the problem, many in the international community will most likely see his contention as justified. Then Kenya will begin to be regarded as anything but a democracy.

Having put us in the bind, only they can disentangle us. In the main judgement expected soon, they have to make a bold move - to make orders that stipulate most, if not all aspects of how the fresh election will be conducted, including the place of IEBC and its personnel in the poll management.

They must somehow find a way to contain Raila otherwise he will use the tool they handed him to destroy Kenya.

They must also constrain Jubilee and its actors as well as read the riot act to any rogue IEBC staff that they risk being hang upside down at high noon in Uhuru park, naked.

They must not leave none any room for mischief, not Raila, not Uhuru, not Muhatis of IEBC.

Kenya needs order as democratic processes roll.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
limanika
#90 Posted : Tuesday, September 05, 2017 1:45:53 PM
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