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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake OK. 8.52 is after conversion. Where's the play now? Does 4.7 now amount to more than 8.52 later? Glad shares issued to market will eventually be 6B. Free float circa 5%. Let's see.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake OK. 8.52 is after conversion. Where's the play now? Does 4.7 now amount to more than 8.52 later? Glad shares issued to market will eventually be 6B. Free float circa 5%. Let's see. Yes. KES 8.52 is after conversion.. Issued shares will be 7.4B.. The current price is based on voodoo economics.. KQ should not be trading at such levels with all the positive information that is out. HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake OK. 8.52 is after conversion. Where's the play now? Does 4.7 now amount to more than 8.52 later? Glad shares issued to market will eventually be 6B. Free float circa 5%. Let's see. Yes. KES 8.52 is after conversion.. Issued shares will be 7.4B.. The current price is based on voodoo economics.. KQ should not be trading at such levels with all the positive information that is out. 7.4B, thanks for the clarification. Vodoonomics . Yup, been following the news. Let's see.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake OK. 8.52 is after conversion. Where's the play now? Does 4.7 now amount to more than 8.52 later? Glad shares issued to market will eventually be 6B. Free float circa 5%. Let's see. Yes. KES 8.52 is after conversion.. Issued shares will be 7.4B.. The current price is based on voodoo economics.. KQ should not be trading at such levels with all the positive information that is out. 7.4B, thanks for the clarification. Vodoonomics . Yup, been following the news. Let's see. Let's see boss.. There's a big opportunity on this one, though it's taken long to materialise HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake OK. 8.52 is after conversion. Where's the play now? Does 4.7 now amount to more than 8.52 later? Glad shares issued to market will eventually be 6B. Free float circa 5%. Let's see. Yes. KES 8.52 is after conversion.. Issued shares will be 7.4B.. The current price is based on voodoo economics.. KQ should not be trading at such levels with all the positive information that is out. 7.4B, thanks for the clarification. Vodoonomics . Yup, been following the news. Let's see. Let's see boss.. There's a big opportunity on this one, though it's taken long to materialise Indeed. Paid in full.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,664 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake OK. 8.52 is after conversion. Where's the play now? Does 4.7 now amount to more than 8.52 later? Glad shares issued to market will eventually be 6B. Free float circa 5%. Let's see. Yes. KES 8.52 is after conversion.. Issued shares will be 7.4B.. The current price is based on voodoo economics.. KQ should not be trading at such levels with all the positive information that is out. Positive information needs to be backed by Form 16 i.e financial performance which is yet to be seen. When is KQ announcing 2017/2018 HY results? Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake OK. 8.52 is after conversion. Where's the play now? Does 4.7 now amount to more than 8.52 later? Glad shares issued to market will eventually be 6B. Free float circa 5%. Let's see. Yes. KES 8.52 is after conversion.. Issued shares will be 7.4B.. The current price is based on voodoo economics.. KQ should not be trading at such levels with all the positive information that is out. Positive information needs to be backed by Form 16 i.e financial performance which is yet to be seen. When is KQ announcing 2017/2018 HY results? Late October HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake So 4 of today's shares = 1 "new" share? 4.50 x 4 = 18 New share = 4 existing shares = 8.52 I don't get the logic but I am sure @Obiero can expound! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake So 4 of today's shares = 1 "new" share? 4.50 x 4 = 18 New share = 4 existing shares = 8.52 I don't get the logic but I am sure @Obiero can expound! A better approach to understand the conversion would be to look at the KQ Lenders Co Ltd offering post share split but pre consolidation HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake So 4 of today's shares = 1 "new" share? 4.50 x 4 = 18 New share = 4 existing shares = 8.52 I don't get the logic but I am sure @Obiero can expound! A better approach to understand the conversion would be to look at the KQ Lenders Co Ltd offering post share split but pre consolidation Since most shareholders aren't part of "KQ Lenders Co Ltd" what does that mean for EXISTING (minority) shareholders? Is today's share at 4.50 worth 2x more than after the restructuring [assuming 8.52 after 4 "old" shares are converted to 1 "new" share]? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake So 4 of today's shares = 1 "new" share? 4.50 x 4 = 18 New share = 4 existing shares = 8.52 I don't get the logic but I am sure @Obiero can expound! A better approach to understand the conversion would be to look at the KQ Lenders Co Ltd offering post share split but pre consolidation Since most shareholders aren't part of "KQ Lenders Co Ltd" what does that mean for EXISTING (minority) shareholders? Is today's share at 4.50 worth 2x more than after the restructuring [assuming 8.52 after 4 "old" shares are converted to 1 "new" share]? Yes. That's what's up. However the minority shareholders will need to pump in more cash via the Open Offer to achieve parity with the conversion shares of the majority shareholders.. HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:A late correction from the exchange bar.. The ratio for Open Offer shall be 5 new shares for every 1 existing share. Price remains KES 1.8 for the Open Offer with market price expected at KES 8.52 minimum. The rally of a lifetime awaits the brave Fuel to the fire will be the half year results awaited late October.. But the management so far has been shifty on information.. It was stated clearly that the restructuring will be through by end of August 2017. If they changed plans, the least the company would have done was to issue a status update HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake So 4 of today's shares = 1 "new" share? 4.50 x 4 = 18 New share = 4 existing shares = 8.52 I don't get the logic but I am sure @Obiero can expound! A better approach to understand the conversion would be to look at the KQ Lenders Co Ltd offering post share split but pre consolidation Since most shareholders aren't part of "KQ Lenders Co Ltd" what does that mean for EXISTING (minority) shareholders? Is today's share at 4.50 worth 2x more than after the restructuring [assuming 8.52 after 4 "old" shares are converted to 1 "new" share]? Yes. That's what's up. However the minority shareholders will need to pump in more cash via the Open Offer to achieve parity with the conversion shares of the majority shareholders.. This deal takes the Crown for con of the century. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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KQ will stop flying to Hanoi... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake So 4 of today's shares = 1 "new" share? 4.50 x 4 = 18 New share = 4 existing shares = 8.52 I don't get the logic but I am sure @Obiero can expound! A better approach to understand the conversion would be to look at the KQ Lenders Co Ltd offering post share split but pre consolidation Since most shareholders aren't part of "KQ Lenders Co Ltd" what does that mean for EXISTING (minority) shareholders? Is today's share at 4.50 worth 2x more than after the restructuring [assuming 8.52 after 4 "old" shares are converted to 1 "new" share]? Yes. That's what's up. However the minority shareholders will need to pump in more cash via the Open Offer to achieve parity with the conversion shares of the majority shareholders.. Will there not be plenty of shares offered in the Open Offer that there's no need to hold onto the existing shares? What's the ratio of the Open (Rights) Offer? I recall during the Rights Issue in 2012, folks were ready to sell Rights at 5 cents. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake So 4 of today's shares = 1 "new" share? 4.50 x 4 = 18 New share = 4 existing shares = 8.52 I don't get the logic but I am sure @Obiero can expound! A better approach to understand the conversion would be to look at the KQ Lenders Co Ltd offering post share split but pre consolidation Since most shareholders aren't part of "KQ Lenders Co Ltd" what does that mean for EXISTING (minority) shareholders? Is today's share at 4.50 worth 2x more than after the restructuring [assuming 8.52 after 4 "old" shares are converted to 1 "new" share]? Yes. That's what's up. However the minority shareholders will need to pump in more cash via the Open Offer to achieve parity with the conversion shares of the majority shareholders.. Will there not be plenty of shares offered in the Open Offer that there's no need to hold onto the existing shares? What's the ratio of the Open (Rights) Offer? I recall during the Rights Issue in 2012, folks were ready to sell Rights at 5 cents. That's one major problem.. The KQ board should inform the public at large of the book closure date for the Open Offer which should trigger the rally. Selling now isn't a good time to sell or buy HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:@alais Obiero. Saw your tip on this. My indecision is still how to price & value KQ stock. Reason? Why would a bank(s) oppose? My little banking knowledge says being asked to cover paper losses with hard cash. That's clear. Consult more @ the Exchange bar and revert. Hio swali sijaelewa kaka A certain IPO. The Bank, Ad agency or the IPO. 66.6% the opposing banks were not banks of substance so we excuse them.. As for the pricing, there is nothing that would make a diligent investor sell below KES 8.52 which is the conversion price for the KQ Lenders Co Ltd, ESOP and GoK stake So 4 of today's shares = 1 "new" share? 4.50 x 4 = 18 New share = 4 existing shares = 8.52 I don't get the logic but I am sure @Obiero can expound! A better approach to understand the conversion would be to look at the KQ Lenders Co Ltd offering post share split but pre consolidation Since most shareholders aren't part of "KQ Lenders Co Ltd" what does that mean for EXISTING (minority) shareholders? Is today's share at 4.50 worth 2x more than after the restructuring [assuming 8.52 after 4 "old" shares are converted to 1 "new" share]? Yes. That's what's up. However the minority shareholders will need to pump in more cash via the Open Offer to achieve parity with the conversion shares of the majority shareholders.. This deal takes the Crown for con of the century. Brief, very clear, accurate, precise, true, measurable, guranteeable statement, so far i have heard about kqueer Convert four(@trading at 4.5) shares to one( in theory that would trade at 18/= @). Create new shares and offer them to public to buy a companies name for 1.xy then expect buyers at 1.xy to book their gains at 8.5. Thats voondoo ecomics for sure. Why, coz creditors campany have seen through the government strategic interest in a shell company and are being forced to be owners of canibalised skeleton briefcase company. Those buying are high on jamaican cigar. (Buy 4@18/= and sell the same consolidated to one @8.5/= or less competing with buyers of the same bought @1.xy, pure madness.) Investors inside have doused themselves with high octane petrol and are now drinking to their fill waitng to be burnt to recogniton. Hapa sio blood on the streats, it shall be roasted investors on the streat. I can not wait. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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