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kaka2za wrote:Though the petition may be dismissed,I expect the ruling to be castigate IEBC on processes.
The problem is that IEBC is poorly funded and same problems will recur even if the election is repeated ten times. Kes. 45 Billion is a poor funding...my Lords. Portfolio: Sold
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masukuma wrote:My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. It was interesting that no one knew where the servers were until muite said they aren't in the country. remember the 2013 fiasco where TNA had their server hosted by the same company? If that were to have happen this time,we would be singing eric wainaina's songs by now.
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[quote=washiku]PLO in hot soup https://www.standardmedi...ural-home-after-threats[/quote] Hii ni Ujinga The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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For those interested in research, social media discussions on Kenya's 2017 presidential elections are a good study on "Confirmation Bias".
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Bigchick wrote:Liv wrote:Ngalaka wrote:limanika wrote:Just imagine,
Maringo produces server logs on national TV as evidence of hacking - Only to come out that the print-out itself was as fake as they come
Maringo says on national TV- Court is not an option. Then he becomes the main lawyer for the petitioner
Maringo says...We only need to look at those servers, this is the one thing that will establish we have a case...Not sure what he said after looking the servers
Maringo evolves through the case...initially he made everybody believe there was hacking...He thought IEBC will never give access....when finally IEBC gives access, he can only see smoke, the case collapses...he brings new evidence last minute
In other words he has fumbled through this matter from day 1, watering down all the respect he's built over the years, I wonder what was his motivation? When Raila says jump, Orengo hits the clouds. Did you also talk of respect stemming from principle; Orengo stopped being his own man when he realised that for him to contest and win any political office in Siaya, he had to kow tow to Raila, then he chose eating humble pie to sticking to his principles. And it has paid off, he never has to campaign, even when the electorate are not too keen on him Raila ensures that he sails through to be used as became clear in the last couple of Months. Has it ever occurred to you that Orengo could be interested in taking over the leadership of the Luo nation if Raila retires from politics ....if that ever happened? ....but can he?
Yes he could if it had happened earlier when he still had our respect.But after this petition I think he exposed himself and we now know the kind of person he is.Infact he is being blamed for being behind babus failures.He has been lying to him. It will tale time for me to get over the presentation he made the last day using his own report.That was gross and made him look very thuggish. Are you joining those people blaming lawyers for representing clients? Even if it was a criminal case in which somebody killed and there is proof, they deserve representation
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Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords. I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser. I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens. A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous. A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun
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[quote=washiku]PLO in hot soup https://www.standardmedi...ural-home-after-threats[/quote] Primitive energy,uncivilized goons. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Lolest! wrote:Bigchick wrote:Liv wrote:Ngalaka wrote:limanika wrote:Just imagine,
Maringo produces server logs on national TV as evidence of hacking - Only to come out that the print-out itself was as fake as they come
Maringo says on national TV- Court is not an option. Then he becomes the main lawyer for the petitioner
Maringo says...We only need to look at those servers, this is the one thing that will establish we have a case...Not sure what he said after looking the servers
Maringo evolves through the case...initially he made everybody believe there was hacking...He thought IEBC will never give access....when finally IEBC gives access, he can only see smoke, the case collapses...he brings new evidence last minute
In other words he has fumbled through this matter from day 1, watering down all the respect he's built over the years, I wonder what was his motivation? When Raila says jump, Orengo hits the clouds. Did you also talk of respect stemming from principle; Orengo stopped being his own man when he realised that for him to contest and win any political office in Siaya, he had to kow tow to Raila, then he chose eating humble pie to sticking to his principles. And it has paid off, he never has to campaign, even when the electorate are not too keen on him Raila ensures that he sails through to be used as became clear in the last couple of Months. Has it ever occurred to you that Orengo could be interested in taking over the leadership of the Luo nation if Raila retires from politics ....if that ever happened? ....but can he?
Yes he could if it had happened earlier when he still had our respect.But after this petition I think he exposed himself and we now know the kind of person he is.Infact he is being blamed for being behind babus failures.He has been lying to him. It will tale time for me to get over the presentation he made the last day using his own report.That was gross and made him look very thuggish. Are you joining those people blaming lawyers for representing clients? Even if it was a criminal case in which somebody killed and there is proof, they deserve representation Representing a client is not wrong but the lies he brought fourth and the melodrama he was trying exposed him as a serial conman. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Am sure nobody would think of threatening Paul Mwangi or David Ndii yet we know their homes. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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So sad  There is more to life than politics, it is not a matter of life and death. Every luo MUST support Raila even if their intellect/education says otherwise, must everyone succumb to tribal thinking, blackmail, threats, L. Nyanza is a pathetic place otherwise we pray for PLO's safety  He is just being a patriotic intelligent Kenyan. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Impunity wrote:kaka2za wrote:Though the petition may be dismissed,I expect the ruling to be castigate IEBC on processes.
The problem is that IEBC is poorly funded and same problems will recur even if the election is repeated ten times. Kes. 45 Billion is a poor funding...my Lords. Take out the cost of acquiring new techology due to to failure of the BVR ,security and legal costs and see how much is left. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Lolest! wrote:Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords. I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser. I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens. A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous. A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that 1) institutions work 2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Much Know wrote: So sad There is more to life than politics, it is not a matter of life and death. Every luo MUST support Raila even if their intellect/education says otherwise, must everyone succumb to tribal thinking, blackmail, threats, L. Nyanza is a pathetic place otherwise we pray for PLO's safety He is just being a patriotic intelligent Kenyan. These people are the most intolerant kenyans we have. They will call you names if you dont worship Raila
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masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords. I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser. I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens. A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous. A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that 1) institutions work 2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process. My fear about a possible recount is that a new circus will arise where NASA will claim that ballot boxes have been tampered with by IEBC therefore they don't trust what will result from it
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Shak wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords. I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser. I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens. A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous. A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that 1) institutions work 2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process. My fear about a possible recount is that a new circus will arise where NASA will claim that ballot boxes have been tampered with by IEBC therefore they don't trust what will result from it Recount is a no no, would be ill advised. A number of warehouses would go up in flames same day courtesy of some MIB
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on form 34A and 34B not being genuine, can the petitioner show us how a genuine form looks like “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Shak wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords. I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser. I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens. A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous. A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that 1) institutions work 2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process. My fear about a possible recount is that a new circus will arise where NASA will claim that ballot boxes have been tampered with by IEBC therefore they don't trust what will result from it How would that work at this point in time and what purpose would it serve! I thought tomorrow Friday, the court is expected to tell us one of two things - either; After having considered all the arguments...... We find that the results of the elections that were announced by Chebukati hold because we have not seen compelling evidence that would persuade us to annul it. Or The results don’t hold and are hereby annuled because of serious and widespread breaches which we enumerate here below. Recommending certain restructuring of IEBC infrastructure and operations may be an option, but calling for a recount! That bus has left the station already. Otherwise it would mean they withhold their decision till the outcome of that exercise, which would offend the time lines laid down. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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[quote=washiku]PLO in hot soup https://www.standardmedi...ural-home-after-threats[/quote] This level of intolerance for the opposite view is what makes many very worried on Raila's presidency. In trying to show allegiance to Baba, they instill fear in everyone else. Imagine what they can do if baba is in Statehouse "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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[quote=washiku]PLO in hot soup https://www.standardmedi...ural-home-after-threats[/quote] With this kind of primitive behaviour, isn't Kenya lucky that UK won? The poor man is not even representing Uhuru.
BBI will solve it :)
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