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NASA moves to the Supreme Court
thuks
#501 Posted : Sunday, August 27, 2017 6:40:24 PM
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masukuma wrote:
If the whole discussion is about servers ODM/CORD/NASA has lost the case.... even if they get access to the servers/database there is nothing there.

Cleaned without a trace or ever ever clean?
What if they are hedging the request on the belief that it will be denied and hence guilt assigned accordingly?
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Kusadikika
#502 Posted : Sunday, August 27, 2017 6:52:32 PM
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masukuma wrote:
If the whole discussion is about servers ODM/CORD/NASA has lost the case.... even if they get access to the servers/database there is nothing there.


You are right. I guess NASA have not completely thought through their strategy. Server and algorithm claims were meant to be big words for the non discerning electorate that were supposed to convey a mysterious, conniving, thievery that they had exposed. With the judges you must explain a little more what you mean and it is this explanation that is going to be their undoing.

I do not think any of the judges are computer experts so if they have to dig into this server business they will have to appoint experts and the experts will not be talking to Orengo or Raila. Orengo will have to explain his concerns to the expert, the expert will look into the server and then the expert will report findings to the Judges.
masukuma
#503 Posted : Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:51:17 PM
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thuks wrote:
masukuma wrote:
If the whole discussion is about servers ODM/CORD/NASA has lost the case.... even if they get access to the servers/database there is nothing there.

Cleaned without a trace or ever ever clean?
What if they are hedging the request on the belief that it will be denied and hence guilt assigned accordingly?

Nope.. they are barking up the wrong tree!! I am sure IEBC will give them access to the data and they will realize that they were wrong all this time. What is their "probable cause" for the search? What makes them think the results shown were "altered" by an "algorithm"? really? other than their suspicions - do they have evidence in the form of results that can be seen to be "systematically" altered to point to their suspicion? What they are engaged in is fishing! Last time at Bomas they were all over the place - taking scanners, photocopiers e.t.c. they have always been unfocused liars - that's their problem.
first it was "hacker" placing algorithm - logging in with chebukati and msando's "credentials".
Next it was actually IEBC doing this... since they had already been doing it since Kericho (remember "formulae"?)
Sasa they believe that IEBC has data that shows them to be winners but are showing other altered results. <-- this last one is just crazy!!
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#504 Posted : Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:45:01 PM
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masukuma wrote:
thuks wrote:
masukuma wrote:
If the whole discussion is about servers ODM/CORD/NASA has lost the case.... even if they get access to the servers/database there is nothing there.

Cleaned without a trace or ever ever clean?
What if they are hedging the request on the belief that it will be denied and hence guilt assigned accordingly?

Nope.. they are barking up the wrong tree!! I am sure IEBC will give them access to the data and they will realize that they were wrong all this time. What is their "probable cause" for the search? What makes them think the results shown were "altered" by an "algorithm"? really? other than their suspicions - do they have evidence in the form of results that can be seen to be "systematically" altered to point to their suspicion? What they are engaged in is fishing! Last time at Bomas they were all over the place - taking scanners, photocopiers e.t.c. they have always been unfocused liars - that's their problem.
first it was "hacker" placing algorithm - logging in with chebukati and msando's "credentials".
Next it was actually IEBC doing this... since they had already been doing it since Kericho (remember "formulae"?)
Sasa they believe that IEBC has data that shows them to be winners but are showing other altered results. <-- this last one is just crazy!!

Very true, the kumbaffs should be given access to the server coz that is just the height of ujinga, Orengo has argued that it should not matter what they are looking for in the server, access to the server is their "OUR RIGHT' in classic odomo style, they will get nothing useful, what was concerning the judges is TIME, how much time the odomos want with the server so the case can proceed, 30mis, 1 day, 3 weeks? Hio ndio swali hawa wajinga hawajajibu, because they can stay there for one year creating stories. So let them say how much TIME they want with the server, the stupid case will be hinged and perish that issue. How much TIME do you odomos want inside the server?
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thuks
#505 Posted : Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:07:39 PM
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masukuma wrote:

Sasa they believe that IEBC has data that shows them to be winners but are showing other altered results. <-- this last one is just crazy!!

Astonishing
Why would iebc favour ANY candidate yet they have everything guaranteed? This is a question that begs an answer.
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Lolest!
#506 Posted : Sunday, August 27, 2017 10:04:07 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
If the whole discussion is about servers ODM/CORD/NASA has lost the case.... even if they get access to the servers/database there is nothing there.


You are right. I guess NASA have not completely thought through their strategy. Server and algorithm claims were meant to be big words for the non discerning electorate that were supposed to convey a mysterious, conniving, thievery that they had exposed. With the judges you must explain a little more what you mean and it is this explanation that is going to be their undoing.

I do not think any of the judges are computer experts so if they have to dig into this server business they will have to appoint experts and the experts will not be talking to Orengo or Raila. Orengo will have to explain his concerns to the expert, the expert will look into the server and then the expert will report findings to the Judges.

Isn't it possible that Nasa is just in the supreme court to prosecute its case not for the judiciary to decide but for their supporters to believe the computer rigging narrative?

Most Nasa people I've listened to believe in the computer vifaranga narrative

On a different note, on an fb page for Kitui, someone reported that some unidentified object fell from the sky into some place in the county

Guys replied jokingly that it must have fallen from Nasa's tallying center in the clouds

Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
masukuma
#507 Posted : Sunday, August 27, 2017 10:05:10 PM
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I wonder why accuse someone and ask them to furnish you with information that could potentially prejudice them? As soon as you placed IEBC as a respondent to a suit i.e. an opponent... why would you want them to potentially prejudice themselves? You accuse them, you insult them... then you want them to be compelled to assist you build a case? Si I thought you had 20k pages of evidence? what's your probable cause? what should move the court to ask IEBC to do your work?

You take your girlfriend and you best friend to court... you accuse them of sleeping together... you claim YOU GOT THEM!! Initially you had accused them of chatting on Whatsapp... then she says she has a feature phone bila whatsapp... she only texts using SMS... you change your story and say that those SMSES have the "evidence". You have never seen it BUT YOU SUSPECT THAT THERE IS DAMNING EVIDENCE of them sleeping together in there. Why should they strive to please you after you dragging their names in the mud?
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harrydre
#508 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 2:48:05 AM
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Kama Walienda supreme Court to look for evidence, they will have it rough. That case will be thrown out unanimously.

Forms forms with evidence of massive discrepancies to what was announced would have made their day. And they wouldn't need thousands of them, just a good number.

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murchr
#509 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 4:02:12 AM
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I have a feeling the judges want to be transparent, 'fair' but also follow the law. That can be tricky and I think that's why they delayed the server ruling. 9 oclock we get that ruling.

If the case is about the number, Muite has offered a solution. Tally the damn Form34As and Bs. The Computer did not generate the results. This election was not electronic
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Kusadikika
#510 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 4:24:49 AM
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Here is the time allocation:

NASA (Orengo, Amollo, Paul Mwangi, Awele)- 5 hours

IEBC (Muite, Kamau Karori, Paul Nyamodi)- 1.5 hours

Chebukati (Issa Mansur)-1.5 hours

Uhuru Kenyatta (Ngatia, Grand Mulla)- 3 hours

Githu Muigai(AG)-20 minutes

LSK (Stephen Mwenesi)-20 minutes
tycho
#511 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 6:24:21 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
If the whole discussion is about servers ODM/CORD/NASA has lost the case.... even if they get access to the servers/database there is nothing there.


You are right. I guess NASA have not completely thought through their strategy. Server and algorithm claims were meant to be big words for the non discerning electorate that were supposed to convey a mysterious, conniving, thievery that they had exposed. With the judges you must explain a little more what you mean and it is this explanation that is going to be their undoing.

I do not think any of the judges are computer experts so if they have to dig into this server business they will have to appoint experts and the experts will not be talking to Orengo or Raila. Orengo will have to explain his concerns to the expert, the expert will look into the server and then the expert will report findings to the Judges.

Isn't it possible that Nasa is just in the supreme court to prosecute its case not for the judiciary to decide but for their supporters to believe the computer rigging narrative?

Most Nasa people I've listened to believe in the computer vifaranga narrative

On a different note, on an fb page for Kitui, someone reported that some unidentified object fell from the sky into some place in the county

Guys replied jokingly that it must have fallen from Nasa's tallying center in the clouds



Tamu sana...
Angelica _ann
#512 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 6:56:01 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Here is the time allocation:

NASA (Orengo, Amollo, Paul Mwangi, Awele)- 5 hours

IEBC (Muite, Kamau Karori, Paul Nyamodi)- 1.5 hours

Chebukati (Issa Mansur)-1.5 hours

Uhuru Kenyatta (Ngatia, Grand Mulla)- 3 hours

Githu Muigai(AG)-20 minutes

LSK (Stephen Mwenesi)-20 minutes


From the list of lawyers, you can see NASA is broke!!!
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Ngalaka
#513 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 9:06:40 AM
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murchr wrote:
I have a feeling the judges want to be transparent, 'fair' but also follow the law. That can be tricky and I think that's why they delayed the server ruling. 9 oclock we get that ruling.

If the case is about the number, Muite has offered a solution. Tally the damn Form34As and Bs. The Computer did not generate the results. This election was not electronic

In the event that the ruling goes against NASA, aren't they likely to ask for deferment so as to align their case with the new reality.
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washiku
#514 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 9:22:11 AM
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And these judges have become Uhuru. Always late...Last two sittings they were late for about an hour for each sitting. Today they are yet to show up...
washiku
#515 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 9:38:32 AM
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wazuaguest
#516 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 9:52:54 AM
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washiku wrote:
Access Granted


But it has a caveat?
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Gathige
#517 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 9:55:57 AM
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washiku wrote:
Access Granted


Read only access. Meaning print outs without forensics in the system. Nothing much there.

Its like getting a bank statement to query your account transactions.

The rest seems like standard procedures and operations policy by IEBC, ie passwords policy and levels, certifications, firewalls, access policy etc etc. Nothing much to fish there.


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gmg
#518 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 9:57:31 AM
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Restricted access. However no hacker ever leaves audit trail so inakaa hapo wamejinasa.
Lolest!
#519 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 9:58:08 AM
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washiku wrote:
Access Granted

Good. Very good
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Gathige
#520 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2017 10:02:25 AM
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gmg wrote:
Restricted access. However no hacker ever leaves audit trail so inakaa hapo wamejinasa.



If i were NASA, i would focus on the Forms 34s forensics and smoke fraud there. Going by the delay by the Judges to deliver this ruling last, looks like they are not really going to delve deep in IT murky waters and wants an easy route. The timelines of 5.00pm tomorrow fr both the IT and Forms verification limits what can be done, and best is to concentrate on forms where it is easier to pick manenos.

Ngatia says he is ready to go straight away, an indication he is lease interested in other matters.
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