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Biopolitics of the ungrieved
tycho
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:51:31 PM
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I hope no more people will die of these elections, and that the status quo may be restored as quickly as possible, and a new thinking formulated with as few deaths as possible.

Kisa na maana, is that I identify with those protesters from Kisumu, Kibera and even Tahrir. And it's not a few times that I've remembered the deaths of some of these protesters, and the lives they had been living.

And I look at my life, and wonder if I fare any better. If I were to die today, I too would be ungrieved as they are/were.

Maybe the difference I have with my brothers and sisters is that I have this strong belief that it is possible to know what a good life is, structure the self towards a good life and in fact, live it.

That's why I cast my vote. How I live and how I vote are connected. How I vote must facilitate how I wish to live, or at least, how I live.

And so you can imagine how it is for those who yearn for their lives to change and haven't forgotten, at least unconsciously, that their lives are politically engineered?



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#2 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:15:24 PM
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tycho
#3 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 10:08:10 AM
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The 'goons' @Laughing out loudly is talking about are the 'ungrieved'. I fear that soon, you'll start calling them 'walkers' as you shoot them.

Then these walkers will bite others and the whole place will be filled with walkers.

tycho
#4 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:19:31 PM
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How many have died today?

It seems more will die. And you wazuans appear not to be awake to what's happening.

Maybe that's how things are meant to be.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:55:37 PM
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tycho wrote:
How many have died today?

It seems more will die. And you wazuans appear not to be awake to what's happening.

Maybe that's how things are meant to be.


@ Tycho,we are alive and saddened by the deaths.We pray that reason prevails.As Matiang'i says peaceful protest is allowed and will be given police protection.But hooliganism,breaking of shops,looting and stoning police will for sure be met with equal force.

Meanwhile Orengo and Co have claimed 100+ havee been killed and that the bodies are carried in body bags to unknown destinations.Then Muthama added they are working on some unspecified action in the court of public opinion.We are following as we pray........I guess they are in stage 2 of grief.

And they dont want baba to talk.
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deadpoet
#6 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:21:44 PM
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Lol,

I see tycho is still as mind boggling as ever. What the hell is biopolitics? Never mind, I won't get an answer. At least not a lucid one.
tycho
#7 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:42:28 PM
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deadpoet wrote:
Lol,

I see tycho is still as mind boggling as ever. What the hell is biopolitics? Never mind, I won't get an answer. At least not a lucid one.


Don't you think it's lazy, and even opressive to let others bear the burden of being lucid? It's like an unconsious barring of others. Notice the pre-emption of response...

Anyway, without trying to be lucid on other's behalf, I'll tell you what 'biopolitics' is. It is the politics that arises because an individual is alive, or exists, before any other consideration.

Biopolitics is about how we live and even how we die.

The ungrieved are those who find themselves as socio-political outsiders who more often than not are unvalued and even uncared for.



tycho
#8 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:56:45 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
tycho wrote:
How many have died today?

It seems more will die. And you wazuans appear not to be awake to what's happening.

Maybe that's how things are meant to be.


@ Tycho,we are alive and saddened by the deaths.We pray that reason prevails.As Matiang'i says peaceful protest is allowed and will be given police protection.But hooliganism,breaking of shops,looting and stoning police will for sure be met with equal force.

Meanwhile Orengo and Co have claimed 100+ havee been killed and that the bodies are carried in body bags to unknown destinations.Then Muthama added they are working on some unspecified action in the court of public opinion.We are following as we pray........I guess they are in stage 2 of grief.

And they dont want baba to talk.


@Bigchick, perhaps I ought to begin by asking you to view a song and the lyrics perhaps, of Tarrus Riley about learning to read between the lines...

So far, have you heard of anyone calling for peaceful protests? Can you recall baba talking about 'not controlling' people?

That's why he's not talking.

I will tell you for free that baba isn't talking because he knows he has capital among the ungrieved. And the capital is working for him, and you and the government are swallowing the bait of thinking, 'everyday is Friday' and keeping to old scripts.

Unspecified action by NASA follows logically.

Watch out guys that you don't stick at stage one. Things have changeanga!
deadpoet
#9 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:14:55 PM
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tycho wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Lol,

I see tycho is still as mind boggling as ever. What the hell is biopolitics? Never mind, I won't get an answer. At least not a lucid one.


Don't you think it's lazy, and even opressive to let others bear the burden of being lucid? It's like an unconsious barring of others. Notice the pre-emption of response...

Anyway, without trying to be lucid on other's behalf, I'll tell you what 'biopolitics' is. It is the politics that arises because an individual is alive, or exists, before any other consideration.

Biopolitics is about how we live and even how we die.

The ungrieved are those who find themselves as socio-political outsiders who more often than not are unvalued and even uncared for.





That sounds a lot like existentialism - existence precedes essence? Why use one word for the other?

As for 'ungrieved', I find your definition wanting. As a philosophy student, you obviously know how important or unreliable words can be - for instance, from your definition, it seems to me that ungrieved equates to the untouchables of Hinduism. In what circumstances, therefore, can the word be applied elsewhere? I find it hard to find a Kenyan context.
tycho
#10 Posted : Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:20:53 PM
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Some are saying that baba is calling for a public holiday.

But what if it's about alternative employment? Who is being told not to go to work? It has to be the already unemployed and some of the under employed. They can stop worrying about trying to find work.

Work is already at hand. Revolutionary work.

If among the ungrieved one can kill even for a thousand shillings, how much do you think one ungrieved can accept for killing himself?
tycho
#11 Posted : Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:30:55 PM
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deadpoet wrote:
tycho wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Lol,

I see tycho is still as mind boggling as ever. What the hell is biopolitics? Never mind, I won't get an answer. At least not a lucid one.


Don't you think it's lazy, and even opressive to let others bear the burden of being lucid? It's like an unconsious barring of others. Notice the pre-emption of response...

Anyway, without trying to be lucid on other's behalf, I'll tell you what 'biopolitics' is. It is the politics that arises because an individual is alive, or exists, before any other consideration.

Biopolitics is about how we live and even how we die.

The ungrieved are those who find themselves as socio-political outsiders who more often than not are unvalued and even uncared for.





That sounds a lot like existentialism - existence precedes essence? Why use one word for the other?

As for 'ungrieved', I find your definition wanting. As a philosophy student, you obviously know how important or unreliable words can be - for instance, from your definition, it seems to me that ungrieved equates to the untouchables of Hinduism. In what circumstances, therefore, can the word be applied elsewhere? I find it hard to find a Kenyan context.


'If x is similar to y, then x = y'. Is this rigor, @deadpoet?

Biopolitics may be similar to existentialism, but it's definitely not existentialism. In the first place biopolitics isn't a philosophy but is a phenomenon.

Some of these 'untouchables' equivalents died yesterday. Some may die tomorrow...
tycho
#12 Posted : Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:08:25 PM
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Resistance is justified to those whose lives are unprotected. This is because there are rights that one has, even before birth. And these rights, are implied in social protections.

Autonomy, power to effect change, and the opportunity and resource to live a good life are implied to all before they are born.

But these rights are contravened in many. Why is that?

Yet, if one were to be cognizant of these rights and per chance found he/she had no enjoyment of them; then he/she would soon realize that these rights and the space to exercise them have been limited by the nature of politics, and the decadence thereof.

And since politics is the application of thought to social life, the negation of rights is synonymous to decadence of thought.

How then can an optimal human live under decadence? To be, is to resist entropy!

That, is the relationship between resistance and the good life.
tycho
#13 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:53:00 PM
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Blindness is the big problem.The messiah is he who illuminates. And to illuminate is to build the capacity for sight. Because the light is always there.

I moan all these deaths, wrought in the kingdom of darkness.

Isn't it amazing that the greatest political action is one that doesn't depend to a party or leader? I can't imagine the extent of my mental slavery!
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