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T-Bag
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:47:33 PM
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NASA summit has decided to go Supreme court route to challenge the IEBC 2017 results.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:48:44 PM
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NASA summit has decided to go Supreme court route


good move.it's a good excuse anyway. baba never loses.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:49:30 PM
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:52:54 PM
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Too much to prove
1. Fake polling stations
2. Computer algorithm
3. Chiloba's admission of not using Form 34A to tally results
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:54:51 PM
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murchr wrote:
Too much to prove
1. Fake polling stations
2. Computer algorithm
3. Chiloba's admission of not using Form 34A to tally results


1. Need to prove that.
2. Doesn't matter coz law states results announced at constituency is final
3. See 2 above.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:02:32 PM
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murchr wrote:
Too much to prove
1. Fake polling stations
2. Computer algorithm
3. Chiloba's admission of not using Form 34A to tally results


Plus he loses the bully pulpit of the public gallery, which he can't use when the case is on.

But then he gets a face saving way to get out of this disaster he has walked into, without admitting he was wrong. Koti bandia anyone?

Either way the country can start to heal and move on.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:02:42 PM
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Looking forward to watching star lawyer, Fred Ngatia shred their evidence to pieces
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:04:38 PM
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Phew :Hapo sasa

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:10:07 PM
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Don't be too quick to celebrate. The court is not there to decide if Baba or Uhuru won they are there to determine if the results announced were credible. Strictly speaking if NASA can show that 4 votes were stolen here and another 4 there and so on even if the total number comes to 20 or 100 a rogue judiciary can justifiably rule that the results are not credible and that the whole exercise should be repeated.

IEBC should take this very seriously and make sure they have solid evidence and have a competent legal team. They should not assume that they are safe. Go through all the numbers and documents with a tooth comb.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:10:14 PM
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Was expecting a long statement...rushed home to hear the only viable route they had..hii hata wangesema juzi.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:11:09 PM
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The written statement is awash with attempts to armtwist/intimidate the court.

However, in court its lawyers who argue the case on behalf of their clients.

Even if one of those lawyers be Orengo, they all have to submit to the authority of the court.

Another loss and humiliation awaits NASA there.

Who will save these guys from themselves.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:11:10 PM
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Shak wrote:
Looking forward to watching star lawyer, Fred Ngatia shred their evidence to pieces


Also get money to finish his mammoth building hapo 'Community' smile
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:14:17 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Don't be too quick to celebrate. The court is not there to decide if Baba or Uhuru won they are there to determine if the results announced were credible. Strictly speaking if NASA can show that 4 votes were stolen here and another 4 there and so on even if the total number comes to 20 or 100 a rogue judiciary can justifiably rule that the results are not credible and that the whole exercise should be repeated.

IEBC should take this very seriously and make sure they have solid evidence and have a competent legal team. They should not assume that they are safe. Go through all the numbers and documents with a tooth comb.



The Judiciary will have to weigh if that is enough to call a largely credible system a sham. Remember courts exist for fairness
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:15:31 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Don't be too quick to celebrate. The court is not there to decide if Baba or Uhuru won they are there to determine if the results announced were credible. Strictly speaking if NASA can show that 4 votes were stolen here and another 4 there and so on even if the total number comes to 20 or 100 a rogue judiciary can justifiably rule that the results are not credible and that the whole exercise should be repeated.

IEBC should take this very seriously and make sure they have solid evidence and have a competent legal team. They should not assume that they are safe. Go through all the numbers and documents with a tooth comb.

Nothing to worry about.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:22:56 PM
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I was really waiting for the statement to include something like all those elected under NASA will not assume any positions.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:24:36 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Don't be too quick to celebrate. The court is not there to decide if Baba or Uhuru won they are there to determine if the results announced were credible. Strictly speaking if NASA can show that 4 votes were stolen here and another 4 there and so on even if the total number comes to 20 or 100 a rogue judiciary can justifiably rule that the results are not credible and that the whole exercise should be repeated.

IEBC should take this very seriously and make sure they have solid evidence and have a competent legal team. They should not assume that they are safe. Go through all the numbers and documents with a tooth comb.


I am not a lawyer so I defer to better minds. But I would imagine that the courts overriding motivation is not to determine perfection (an impossibility) but whether the peoples will was thwarted, by IEBC or other agent.

So NASA may show instances of tallying errors here and there but unless they can demonstrate that these had a material effect on the final outcome they will lose.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:30:47 PM
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It was a legal requirement for IEBC to announce results backed by form 34A at the time of tallying and it is very apparent that IEBC did not meet this threshold, this alone invalidates the whole election process, it will not be a walk in the park
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:36:54 PM
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vky wrote:
It was a legal requirement for IEBC to announce results backed by form 34A at the time of tallying and it is very apparent that IEBC did not meet this threshold, this alone invalidates the whole election process, it will not be a walk in the park

I dont know about that!
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:39:32 PM
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vky wrote:
It was a legal requirement for IEBC to announce results backed by form 34A at the time of tallying and it is very apparent that IEBC did not meet this threshold, this alone invalidates the whole election process, it will not be a walk in the park


This where Chebukati might prove to be the cunning Sungura here. I recall him being very careful to say that the results scrolling on TV screens were provisional, not the final tally. And then keeping us all waiting last Friday apparently for the Constituency forms to be delivered. It will be a herculean task to show he didn't follow the law here. Not to forget that the case can not be decided on technicality (which would be madness) but on overall intent and effect.

NASA have a mountain to climb. The one thing that can help them is if they can prove the computer algorithm thing but having seen the embarrassing server debacle earlier, I am not holding my breath.

I believe this charade is meant to offer Baba a way out with his face intact. But we shall see
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:39:51 PM
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vky wrote:
It was a legal requirement for IEBC to announce results backed by form 34A at the time of tallying and it is very apparent that IEBC did not meet this threshold, this alone invalidates the whole election process, it will not be a walk in the park



Those forms were filled and signed at the tallying station. Results were announced by the ROs at the tallying station.

The display on your screen was as a result of what was transmitted through KIEMS and what was uploaded.

NOTE: The votes were tallied in the presence of agents forms filled and results announced at the tallying stations per the law.

The transmission to Bomas is a non issue.
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