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2017 Election results
Bigchick
#1321 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 9:52:01 AM
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washiku wrote:



Crazy fellow this one is.

But what has driven me up the wall about him this time round is the lying with a straight face.

KDF dead soldier,Msandos missing hand,military deployment,the famous hacker,ballot stuffing,altered form 34Bs.....

Aii how is it that the whole world can be against yoy?

Now the latest is that Chilobae's wife is Mama Nginas niece essentially meaning Uhurus cousin.
When did he learn this?What role did she play in the rigging if at all?What was his role in data input?

Babu is seriously sick.Greed for power has blinded him.Makes me wonder what he would want to do with the presidency as he seems to want it so baaad.
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Spikes
#1322 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 9:53:42 AM
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Whether elections were sham or credible we don't care at this juncture.We need peace for a prosperous Kenya. We should desist from the notion of simple minded leaders pushing for selfish interests. Let's think big.I believe in Kenya more than western superpowers. Ladies and gentlemen maintain and preach peace.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
FRM2011
#1323 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:14:53 AM
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I have been in my office from Wednesday last week. My office is along Ngong road. Have not experienced a single incident of violence or hooliganism.

From what we have seen in the news, all the violence this time is being perpetrated by police against a specific community. I am yet to see or read of a single instance where protesters have threatened human life. To the peace-preneurs, can you go slow because nobody is fighting except the police.


I have read a very interesting blog online today. We watched when Somalis were subjected to the same violence under the guise of fighting AS. The country also watched when every young Kikuyu man could be killed and be labelled mungiki and it was acceptable. In 2007, of the 1300 people who died, 700 were killed by police. Kalenjins were on the receiving end then with over 300 of their own killed by cops.


To the rest of us, let's wait patiently for the day when the state decides we are the enemy. Because it's coming.

Another lesson from the elections is that bigots bring out their true colours. I have been unfollowing very many of them on Twitter and Facebook.
innairobi
#1324 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:22:29 AM
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Kenya’s national elections last Tuesday were closely watched around the world, less for the results than for the threat of violence that has marred past elections. Barack Obama, whose father was a Kenyan, had been among those urging the country’s leaders to “reject violence and incitement.”

That has not happened. Raila Odinga, a perennial loser, began crying foul long before the election commission declared that President Uhuru Kenyatta was re-elected with 54 percent of the vote to Mr. Odinga’s 45. Mr. Odinga’s unsubstantiated claims have already touched off rioting in parts of the country, and the violence could spread.

That is disgraceful and unnecessary. International monitors from the African Union, the United States and Europe said they witnessed no foul play; former United States Secretary of State John Kerry, co-leader of the Carter Center’s mission of election observers, praised Kenya’s election commission for its transparency and diligence. All observers have urged Mr. Odinga and other losing candidates to refer any allegations of fraud to the commission and the courts.

Mr. Odinga’s specific claim is that Mr. Kenyatta’s Jubilee party hacked into the election commission’s computers to manipulate results, using the identity of Christopher Chege Musando, the commission communications manager who was murdered a few days before the voting. His death remains unsolved. The commission said that there was an attempt to hack the computers but that it failed.

All that can and should be checked. But in the meantime it is imperative that Mr. Odinga strongly urge his followers to remain calm. At 72, he might mull the idea that a display of respect for the new Constitution would be a far better legacy than another bloody spasm of violence.



https://www.nytimes.com/...l-suspense-in-kenya.html
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Nandwa
#1325 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:22:44 AM
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Joined: 11/17/2009
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FRM2011 wrote:
I have been in my office from Wednesday last week. My office is along Ngong road. Have not experienced a single incident of violence or hooliganism.

From what we have seen in the news, all the violence this time is being perpetrated by police against a specific community. I am yet to see or read of a single instance where protesters have threatened human life. To the peace-preneurs, can you go slow because nobody is fighting except the police.


I have read a very interesting blog online today. We watched when Somalis were subjected to the same violence under the guise of fighting AS. The country also watched when every young Kikuyu man could be killed and be labelled mungiki and it was acceptable. In 2007, of the 1300 people who died, 700 were killed by police. Kalenjins were on the receiving end then with over 300 of their own killed by cops.


To the rest of us, let's wait patiently for the day when the state decides we are the enemy. Because it's coming.

Another lesson from the elections is that bigots bring out their true colours. I have been unfollowing very many of them on Twitter and Facebook.

You are dishonest.
And that's dishonourable
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
innairobi
#1326 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:27:55 AM
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Diplomats and regional leaders are presenting a united stance in urging Odinga, a former political prisoner, to concede.

"I want to congratulate Uhuru Kenyatta," Federica Mogherini, foreign minister for the European Union, which did over $3 billion worth of trade with Kenya last year, said.

"In line with the African Union, the EU expects the opposition to respect the results and to use legal means available for appeals and complaints."

A Western diplomat said the international community was not interested in revisiting a power-sharing deal to end the unrest and stalemate, as happened a decade ago. That avenue was "not an option", the diplomat said.

"If you have evidence that the election was rigged, produce it," he said.

"Most of the stuff NASA are alleging is not accurate."

Initially, the coalition charged the electoral server had been hacked, and produced 50 pages of computer logs that security experts said were inconclusive at best.

They later said a secret source within the electoral board had passed them the true election results. That two-page document was debunked by the election commission, which pointed out basic mathematical errors.


https://ca.reuters.com/a...News/idCAKCN1AT0BY-OCATP
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Nandwa
#1327 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:29:08 AM
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Wazua NASA supporters stand up and be counted.

What's your position on RAO difiant behaviour in regard to election loss.

No Ostrich head in the sand option.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
kayhara
#1328 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:31:19 AM
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Where is Kalonzo, Joho, Anyang, Jakoyo, Mudavadi, Muthama, etc are they isolating baba and Orengo? Sad that the only other leader still with baba is Babu Owino, is the condition from NASA for accepting the results still is access to IEBC severs or has this goal post been moved also.
To Each His Own
Nandwa
#1329 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:32:05 AM
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innairobi wrote:
Quote:
Diplomats and regional leaders are presenting a united stance in urging Odinga, a former political prisoner, to concede.

"I want to congratulate Uhuru Kenyatta," Federica Mogherini, foreign minister for the European Union, which did over $3 billion worth of trade with Kenya last year, said.

"In line with the African Union, the EU expects the opposition to respect the results and to use legal means available for appeals and complaints."

A Western diplomat said the international community was not interested in revisiting a power-sharing deal to end the unrest and stalemate, as happened a decade ago. That avenue was "not an option", the diplomat said.

"If you have evidence that the election was rigged, produce it," he said.

"Most of the stuff NASA are alleging is not accurate."

Initially, the coalition charged the electoral server had been hacked, and produced 50 pages of computer logs that security experts said were inconclusive at best.

They later said a secret source within the electoral board had passed them the true election results. That two-page document was debunked by the election commission, which pointed out basic mathematical errors.


https://ca.reuters.com/a...ews/idCAKCN1AT0BY-OCATP

The World is finally getting to know who the real RAO is.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
sanity
#1330 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:33:29 AM
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Location: Nairobi,Kenya
Nandwa wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
I have been in my office from Wednesday last week. My office is along Ngong road. Have not experienced a single incident of violence or hooliganism.

From what we have seen in the news, all the violence this time is being perpetrated by police against a specific community. I am yet to see or read of a single instance where protesters have threatened human life. To the peace-preneurs, can you go slow because nobody is fighting except the police.


I have read a very interesting blog online today. We watched when Somalis were subjected to the same violence under the guise of fighting AS. The country also watched when every young Kikuyu man could be killed and be labelled mungiki and it was acceptable. In 2007, of the 1300 people who died, 700 were killed by police. Kalenjins were on the receiving end then with over 300 of their own killed by cops.


To the rest of us, let's wait patiently for the day when the state decides we are the enemy. Because it's coming.

Another lesson from the elections is that bigots bring out their true colours. I have been unfollowing very many of them on Twitter and Facebook.

You are dishonest.
And that's dishonourable

Are you trying to tell us that the Police are profiling Kenyans based on their ethnicity before clobbering or shooting them? Shame on you Be serious my fren..
Hope is not a strategy
innairobi
#1331 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 10:33:47 AM
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Quote:
Kenya was largely quiet on Sunday following violence in the aftermath of elections, as opposition leader Raila Odinga came under growing international pressure to concede defeat.

The election commission on Friday declared incumbent Uhuru Kenyatta winner of the presidential poll by 1.4 million votes. International observers said Tuesday's election was largely fair but Odinga disputes the results, saying it was rigged. He has not provided documentary evidence.

There have been at least 24 deaths in election-related unrest, a rights group said on Saturday. But by Sunday the violence appeared to have largely abated, to the relief of Kenyans who feared a repeat of the violence that followed 2007's disputed election.

Around 1,200 people were killed then and 600,000 displaced after Odinga called for political protests that sparked ethnic violence. Regional trade was paralysed and Kenya's economy - the region's biggest - took years to recover.

This time, diplomats and regional leaders are urging Odinga, a former political prisoner, to concede. Their united stance leaves the 72-year-old opposition leader isolated if he chooses to maintain the allegations of election fraud and proclaim himself president.


https://in.reuters.com/a...ction-idINKCN1AT0D0?il=0
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masukuma
#1332 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 11:26:08 AM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
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Bigchick wrote:
washiku wrote:



Crazy fellow this one is.

But what has driven me up the wall about him this time round is the lying with a straight face .

KDF dead soldier,Msandos missing hand,military deployment,the famous hacker,ballot stuffing,altered form 34Bs.....

Aii how is it that the whole world can be against yoy?

Now the latest is that Chilobae's wife is Mama Nginas niece essentially meaning Uhurus cousin.
When did he learn this?What role did she play in the rigging if at all?What was his role in data input?

Babu is seriously sick.Greed for power has blinded him.Makes me wonder what he would want to do with the presidency as he seems to want it so baaad.

hahahahahha... uzuri wa Wazua (and some time back stocks kenya) is that I have been saying this since 2007!! I INSIST KIBAKI WON IN 2007!! the brain is a creature of repetition!! lies...more lies... and even more lies.. start sounding true! What the ECK and IEBC lack is narratives and analogies that would explain the abstract things that are at play... watu wa kibra and mathare don't understand "algorithms" they look to baba and "baba akisema ni mbaya" NI MBAYA!!! THEY BELIEVE BABA!! however... if they could relate to the IEBC's position... they would KNOW!! KNOWLEDGE TRUMPS BELIEF!!! Why believe while you can know? There are episodes of cognitive dissonance in the heads of the leaders but not in the populace!!

All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Angelica _ann
#1333 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 11:31:47 AM
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Nandwa wrote:
Wazua NASA supporters stand up and be counted.

What's your position on RAO difiance behaviour in regard to election loss.

No Ostrich head in the sand option.


What do you stand out for when you are already judged and lumpsumed with your tribe as a hooligan? You watch from the sidelines.
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washiku
#1334 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 11:32:13 AM
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Posts: 13,095
masukuma wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
washiku wrote:



Crazy fellow this one is.

But what has driven me up the wall about him this time round is the lying with a straight face .

KDF dead soldier,Msandos missing hand,military deployment,the famous hacker,ballot stuffing,altered form 34Bs.....

Aii how is it that the whole world can be against yoy?

Now the latest is that Chilobae's wife is Mama Nginas niece essentially meaning Uhurus cousin.
When did he learn this?What role did she play in the rigging if at all?What was his role in data input?

Babu is seriously sick.Greed for power has blinded him.Makes me wonder what he would want to do with the presidency as he seems to want it so baaad.

hahahahahha... uzuri wa Wazua (and some time back stocks kenya) is that I have been saying this since 2007!! I INSIST KIBAKI WON IN 2007!! the brain is a creature of repetition!! lies...more lies... and even more lies.. start sounding true! What the ECK and IEBC lack is narratives and analogies that would explain the abstract things that are at play... watu wa kibra and mathare don't understand "algorithms" they look to baba and "baba akisema ni mbaya" NI MBAYA!!! THEY BELIEVE BABA!! however... if they could relate to the IEBC's position... they would KNOW!! KNOWLEDGE TRUMPS BELIEF!!! Why believe while you can know? There are episodes of cognitive dissonance in the heads of the leaders but not in the populace!!



"KNOWLEDGE TRUMPS BELIEF!!! Why believe while you can know?" Now that is a quotable Quote. It has gone deep into my thoughts. On very many things.

tycho
#1335 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 11:36:26 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
washiku wrote:



Crazy fellow this one is.

But what has driven me up the wall about him this time round is the lying with a straight face .

KDF dead soldier,Msandos missing hand,military deployment,the famous hacker,ballot stuffing,altered form 34Bs.....

Aii how is it that the whole world can be against yoy?

Now the latest is that Chilobae's wife is Mama Nginas niece essentially meaning Uhurus cousin.
When did he learn this?What role did she play in the rigging if at all?What was his role in data input?

Babu is seriously sick.Greed for power has blinded him.Makes me wonder what he would want to do with the presidency as he seems to want it so baaad.

hahahahahha... uzuri wa Wazua (and some time back stocks kenya) is that I have been saying this since 2007!! I INSIST KIBAKI WON IN 2007!! the brain is a creature of repetition!! lies...more lies... and even more lies.. start sounding true! What the ECK and IEBC lack is narratives and analogies that would explain the abstract things that are at play... watu wa kibra and mathare don't understand "algorithms" they look to baba and "baba akisema ni mbaya" NI MBAYA!!! THEY BELIEVE BABA!! however... if they could relate to the IEBC's position... they would KNOW!! KNOWLEDGE TRUMPS BELIEF!!! Why believe while you can know? There are episodes of cognitive dissonance in the heads of the leaders but not in the populace!!



Hahaha!

I wonder how many people even here in wazua understand 'algorithms'.

But my point here is the 'knowledge trumps belief' fallacy. One would think that there are such things as objective knowledge or knowledge that is independent of personal wishes and bias. Obviously such an assertion turns you into just another sensationalist 'blogger'.

If it's about politics, realize that different interests will jostle for space even by whatever means, and that the big problem now and here isn't one of knowledge but negotiation for political space.

By the way, I'd recommend that we speak a bit more respectfully about even those who we think are ignorant, or defeated.
FRM2011
#1336 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 11:43:51 AM
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sanity wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
I have been in my office from Wednesday last week. My office is along Ngong road. Have not experienced a single incident of violence or hooliganism.

From what we have seen in the news, all the violence this time is being perpetrated by police against a specific community. I am yet to see or read of a single instance where protesters have threatened human life. To the peace-preneurs, can you go slow because nobody is fighting except the police.


I have read a very interesting blog online today. We watched when Somalis were subjected to the same violence under the guise of fighting AS. The country also watched when every young Kikuyu man could be killed and be labelled mungiki and it was acceptable. In 2007, of the 1300 people who died, 700 were killed by police. Kalenjins were on the receiving end then with over 300 of their own killed by cops.


To the rest of us, let's wait patiently for the day when the state decides we are the enemy. Because it's coming.

Another lesson from the elections is that bigots bring out their true colours. I have been unfollowing very many of them on Twitter and Facebook.

You are dishonest.
And that's dishonourable

Are you trying to tell us that the Police are profiling Kenyans based on their ethnicity before clobbering or shooting them? Shame on you Be serious my fren..


Kindly give us one incident where the use of lethal force by police this time was justified. 24 deaths confirmed by KNCHR, a govt body. We are yet to hear of a single time police have been forced to intervene to protect life. The biggest threat to peace is the police force itself.

When you break people's homes looking for protesters whom you then shoot dead, it's called ethnic profiling.

In 2007, the mobs shot by cops in the North rift were targeting vulnerable immigrant communities. This time, not a single person has been targeted by protesters. It would help if you can refer to the national police service act.
hardwood
#1337 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 11:56:05 AM
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I won't stand for president again, Raila says after Uhuru defeat

http://www.the-star.co.k...er-uhuru-defeat_c1616076
Njung'e
#1338 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 12:04:09 PM
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[quote=hardwood]I won't stand for president again, Raila says after Uhuru defeat

http://www.the-star.co.k...r-uhuru-defeat_c1616076[/quote]

Do not trust his words. Raila is not a gentleman. In his closing remarks during the Presidential debate, he wished Uhuru well and even said, "asiekubali kushindwa si mshindani". How long did it take for him to chew his words?
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
safariant
#1339 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 12:06:37 PM
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washiku wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
washiku wrote:



Crazy fellow this one is.

But what has driven me up the wall about him this time round is the lying with a straight face .

KDF dead soldier,Msandos missing hand,military deployment,the famous hacker,ballot stuffing,altered form 34Bs.....

Aii how is it that the whole world can be against yoy?

Now the latest is that Chilobae's wife is Mama Nginas niece essentially meaning Uhurus cousin.
When did he learn this?What role did she play in the rigging if at all?What was his role in data input?

Babu is seriously sick.Greed for power has blinded him.Makes me wonder what he would want to do with the presidency as he seems to want it so baaad.

hahahahahha... uzuri wa Wazua (and some time back stocks kenya) is that I have been saying this since 2007!! I INSIST KIBAKI WON IN 2007!! the brain is a creature of repetition!! lies...more lies... and even more lies.. start sounding true! What the ECK and IEBC lack is narratives and analogies that would explain the abstract things that are at play... watu wa kibra and mathare don't understand "algorithms" they look to baba and "baba akisema ni mbaya" NI MBAYA!!! THEY BELIEVE BABA!! however... if they could relate to the IEBC's position... they would KNOW!! KNOWLEDGE TRUMPS BELIEF!!! Why believe while you can know? There are episodes of cognitive dissonance in the heads of the leaders but not in the populace!!



"KNOWLEDGE TRUMPS BELIEF!!! Why believe while you can know?" Now that is a quotable Quote. It has gone deep into my thoughts. On very many things.


I also thought the same. 2007 was the biggest con game of all time.

The same strategies used 2007 are being employed again targeting the same nusu mkate arrangement. In 2007 the noise outweighed the facts. The truth was lost in the process.
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Nandwa
#1340 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 12:39:39 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
Wazua NASA supporters stand up and be counted.

What's your position on RAO difiance behaviour in regard to election loss.

No Ostrich head in the sand option.


What do you stand out for when you are already judged and lumpsumed with your tribe as a hooligan? You watch from the sidelines.

You are one objective Nyar Migori.
I recognise that you have been consistent in your overt condemnation of the beating of drums of war.
It is also not lost on us here in wazua that in the run to the elections you criticized and mocked NASA/RAO multiple times to a point where many here began wondering if you were really still a 'NASI'.
Poignantly as the election results began to point to a clear loss for RAO, we noted an attempt to whip you to "come back home" following your independence of mind.

So you are not the typical NASI for whom the bell tolls!
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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