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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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I can't speak for the UK as I don't know what happened there.
But I know that the reason USA boycotted the Nairobi event is because USATF were afraid of being sued if something wrong happened to their 15 and 16 year olds. The state dept specifically warned of supposed dangers in Nairobi. USA is a very litigious society. There is a chance that some parent would have sued USATF for millions of $$$$ if something went wrong. And since the state dept had already sent a warning, said parent would have won the lawsuit.
Also getting an insurance company to insure the runners after a state dept warning is very expensive.
So to be on the safe side and also for financial reasons, they just pulled out. I don't think it was madharau. Their runners want to compete and the black ones especially would have liked to be in Nairobi.
Its up to us to address our security issues or else the US state dept will keep sending travel warnings against Kenya especially now that trump and sessions are there.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 488
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What if Mo Farah had competed along Kenenisa Bekele both at their prime?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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gk wrote:What if Mo Farah had competed along Kenenisa Bekele both at their prime? Then the winner would have been the best distance runner of all time. Right now it's a tie between those two, they both have strong cases to be claimed GOAT but a head to head race would have put that debate to rest.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Bolt came 3rd "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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murchr wrote:
Bolt came 3rd
Sema kuwa stunned. Twira has some surreal images... I am happy
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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murchr wrote:
Bolt came 3rd
Am Team Gatlin all the way. Am partial to the US athletes so if it's not a Kenyan wining then my next choice is American especially Gatlin. I lived half my life in the US and that's my second home so I obviously have some sentimental attachment. This guy Gatlin though takes way too much flak for a ban he already served a long time ago. The crowds should cut him some slack with all that booing everywhere he races. I've been following his career and he is a genuinely good guy. He made a poor choice with the doping and paid heavily for it and it's about time fans let bygones be bygones. Meanwhile, Ayana once again obliterating a world class field. This woman is a real freak of nature.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Alba wrote:I can't speak for the UK as I don't know what happened there.
But I know that the reason USA boycotted the Nairobi event is because USATF were afraid of being sued if something wrong happened to their 15 and 16 year olds. The state dept specifically warned of supposed dangers in Nairobi. USA is a very litigious society. There is a chance that some parent would have sued USATF for millions of $$$$ if something went wrong. And since the state dept had already sent a warning, said parent would have won the lawsuit.
Also getting an insurance company to insure the runners after a state dept warning is very expensive.
So to be on the safe side and also for financial reasons, they just pulled out. I don't think it was madharau. Their runners want to compete and the black ones especially would have liked to be in Nairobi.
Its up to us to address our security issues or else the US state dept will keep sending travel warnings against Kenya especially now that trump and sessions are there. Alba. This is very insightful. Makes a lot of sense and now am not all that pissed off at the US for boycotting the event.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Bolt losing to those Americans has kinda ruined my weekend.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,702
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hamburglar wrote:gk wrote:What if Mo Farah had competed along Kenenisa Bekele both at their prime? Then the winner would have been the best distance runner of all time. Right now it's a tie between those two, they both have strong cases to be claimed GOAT but a head to head race would have put that debate to rest. If Mo Farah had been at his prime during Kenenisa Bekele's time he would never have won any medal. He is the slowest 5000m and 10000m champion in a long time. In 5000m Mo Farah best time in number 64 of all best times ever ran!!!! Kenenisa Bekele is still the world record holder in 5000m and has 2 times in the top 10. Daniel Komen has 3 times in the top 10 same as Haile Gabresellasie and Eliud Kipchoge has 1. In 10,000m Mo Farahs best time is number 28 of all best times. Kenenisa Bekele is still the world record in 10000m and has 4 of the the top 10 times ever ran, Gabresellasie has 3, Paul Tergat has 1 and Nicholas Kemboi has 1. Mo Farah is nowhere near being in the same league as Kenenisa Bekele. Bekele is the Greatest, 5000, and 10000m runner of all time by a long shot. Haile Gabresselasie is second. Paul Tergat, Daniel Komen and Eliud Kipchoge would all have beaten Mo Farah on the track. He is a great medal winner but he is running in really slow times. If you do not believe check this out: http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_10kok.htm
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_5000ok.htm
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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hamburglar wrote:madollar wrote:Team tactics are everything in championships unless you have the brilliance of mo Farah na off course ka energizer kidogo.The ethiopians will come with a plan in 5K women with ayana and dibaba in that race obiri will have to be at her best. The script may remain the familiar one,5&10K women goes to Ethiopia,Kenya takes the steeplechase the kawaida blunder by kiprop an upset or surprise in 800 and 1500... Kenya is not taking the steeplechase this time. Maybe women but men is going to Jaeger. It will be a bad championship for kenya, the world has caught up with us and a lot of people are not afraid to mix it up with Kenyans and Ethiopians. Wah C/P (Reuters) - Former gold medalist Brimin Kipruto failed to reach the final of the men's 3,000 meters steeplechase at the World Championships in London on Sunday, as Kenyan athletes struggled to impose themselves in the heats. Kenya's Olympic champion Conseslus Kipruto booked his place in Tuesday’s final by winning the third heat in 8:23.80, but his team mates struggled in the London Stadium. Kenyans have won the previous five world titles and the last nine Olympic golds, but Brimin Kipruto, who won in Osaka 10 years ago, was knocked out after finishing seventh in his heat and Jairus Birech and Ezekiel Kemboi only progressed as fastest losers. Other heat winners were Morocco's Soufiane El Bakkali in 8:22.60 and Evan Jager of the U.S. on 8:20.36.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Plus Mo Farah is likely doping. His progression is completely abnormal. A typical athlete cannot go from being below average while in his mid twenties to virtually unbeatable at age 30. Not to mention that his coaches were caught with drugs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:hamburglar wrote:gk wrote:What if Mo Farah had competed along Kenenisa Bekele both at their prime? Then the winner would have been the best distance runner of all time. Right now it's a tie between those two, they both have strong cases to be claimed GOAT but a head to head race would have put that debate to rest. If Mo Farah had been at his prime during Kenenisa Bekele's time he would never have won any medal. He is the slowest 5000m and 10000m champion in a long time. In 5000m Mo Farah best time in number 64 of all best times ever ran!!!! Kenenisa Bekele is still the world record holder in 5000m and has 2 times in the top 10. Daniel Komen has 3 times in the top 10 same as Haile Gabresellasie and Eliud Kipchoge has 1. In 10,000m Mo Farahs best time is number 28 of all best times. Kenenisa Bekele is still the world record in 10000m and has 4 of the the top 10 times ever ran, Gabresellasie has 3, Paul Tergat has 1 and Nicholas Kemboi has 1. Mo Farah is nowhere near being in the same league as Kenenisa Bekele. Bekele is the Greatest, 5000, and 10000m runner of all time by a long shot. Haile Gabresselasie is second. Paul Tergat, Daniel Komen and Eliud Kipchoge would all have beaten Mo Farah on the track. He is a great medal winner but he is running in really slow times. If you do not believe check this out: http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_10kok.htm
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_5000ok.htm
maybe this answers @Alba's concerns... not that Mo moved from "being below average while in his mid twenties to virtually unbeatable at age 30" but rather the field is crap!! it's not the sports man... it's the field he is competing with! What looks like progression on his part is actually actually retrogression on the quality of runners All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Odhiambo 200m! This boy is good! Good sprinting technic. Got winded at the end but definitely one to watch in the near future with good coaching.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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So far so good for African countries. Day 4 and we have Kenya, Ethiopia, South Africa, Uganda, Ivory Coast and Tanzania(Imagine TZ) on Medal table.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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How about Faith Kipyegon? She goes down to me as the greatest Kenyan female athlete of all time. She hands down beat what was most likely the greatest 1500m field ever assembled. That field was loaded with some serious talent and she won convincingly. She has now won everything on offer and that's why she is GOAT. Honorable mention goes to Jenny Simpson, maybe the smartest middle distance female athlete ever. Always so tactical. Great race.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/17/2009 Posts: 1,619
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hamburglar wrote:It's almost time for our favorite track and field athletes to carry our flag in London for the world championships. Bad news is that this might be the first time in a major championship that Kenya might not win what has been our preserve for decades, both the 3000m men and women's steeplechase. The men's steplechase will most likely be won by American Evan Jager and the women's version will likely go to the current world record holder and former kenyan now running for Bahrain (i think) Ruth Jeptoo. We might still be able to beat her out as we have a very strong field of Chespol, current world champion Kiyeng and Chepkoech but the men's is a foregone issue, Jager will win it and it won't even be close. The yank is in form and he does not fear the indomitable East Africans at all. This is going to be a disappointing championships because we are not guaranteed any gold other than perharps men's 1500m where i know the good Asbel Kiprop will show up to win. If he does not win then Timothy Cheruiyot or Ronald Kwemoi will win. My money is on Kwemoi, he is enjoying really good form.
1500m women field is toooooo strong. Sifan Hassan will probably beat our queen Faith Kipyegon to the gold. In the field will also will be Dibaba and Laura Muir, all very strong contenders. Not forgetting Jenny Simpson too who can spring up a surprise. Don't count out Winnie Chebet, she is deceptively fast.
800m men and women no hope. Nigel Amos and Semenya are sure bets even though there is a young Kenyan sensation who is based in the States and looks very good. Am forgetting his name. Rudisha might not even make the finals. The other youngster Bett looks like a bronze medal hopeful. After Semenya, there is Niyonsaba of Burundi and Ajay Wilson of the US. Thos are the favorites for the three medals available. Eunice Sum doesn't have it anymore and Wambui looks like she is running out of steam lately.
5000 and 10000m men is obviously going to Mo Farrah. He would have been a sure bet to win everywhere else inthe world anyway but is a lock to obliterate the competition in his country. No way he loses in London. Absolutely no way. So our guys will probably be battling it out with our neighbors Ethiopia for the lesser medals. That's a foregone conclusuion.
Women's 5000m is where we have the best prospect in Hellen Obiri. If Ayana has a bad day, Obiri will surely bring it home. 10000m is Ayana's to lose. That woman is a freak of nature and i can see her winning it with ease.
400m hurdles defending world champion Nicholas Bett is not in good form. He doesnt look like he will repeat his shock gold medal run from two years ago in Beijing. He might not even be on the podium at all.
Julius Yego has also been struggling mightily to even break the 80m mark after throwing over 90m to win gold in the last edition. Then there are two Germans, Rohler and Vetter who are throwing 90m and above almost regularly now. So, that might be the end of a Yego gold prospect. Times are tough.
Marathon doesnt look very good either. Bekele if he will be on the Ethiopian team looks really really strong. Without Sumgong and Mary Keitany, our hopes in the women's marathon don't look that promising either.
So, after all is said and done, depending on which Asbel Kiprop shows up, the good one who can run 3:26 with his eyes closed or the bad one that employs bad tacticts by running from the last spot and then exerting too much energy trying to catch up on the penultimate lap, i think we might come back home without a gold medal for the first time in a major world track and field event. It's not a good time for Kenyan athletics.
Let's hear your predictions. Mine are not very encouraging but they are very very plausible. At the end of the night Sifa Hasan's battle with Kipyegon left her without any medal as she got caught by Simpson and Semenya in the last 50 meters ....once again showing circuit form counts for little in championships ....well run Faith Kipyegon .
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Kipruto wins the men's 3000m steeplechase .
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