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Uhuru versus Raila 2017
Rahatupu
#1601 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 5:17:54 PM
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@from2011 pls explain to me who the ŕeferee/umpire is in this scenario. Is it Babu or some independent observers? The last time I checked the EU and US observers gave IEBC a clean bill for the 2013 results. Moreover the Supreme Court determined no rigging occurred. But CORD came up with their narrative to explain another Babu loss.
alma1
#1602 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 5:36:00 PM
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Someone who says that they are leaders and doesn't show up in public. Does not want to debate someone else. Does not want to be interrogated on their ideas in public. But will spend a month complaining the media is not a leader.

I want to see who doesn't show up today. I hear there's an 8% undecided lot somewhere.

Just from the land of Maghufuli and yes, he debates.

These so called Kenyan big political parties are just a curse laid on our country. One of them shall lose on 8/8 and leave us in peace. The other shall be gone in 2022. phew!

I predict that whoever will show up in today's debates and the other runs like a coward shall win the elections.

For the 2nd tier candidates, remember Dida came third for showing up the last time. Show up there are 8% votes out there. Show us what real men do.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#1603 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 5:38:43 PM
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Several underdogs didnt show up Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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FRM2011
#1604 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 5:57:13 PM
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wazuaguest wrote:
@FRM2011 is RAO showing up for the debate?or that is top secret?


Woi, i hope I haven't given the impression that i am an insider. Because i am not. I am a supporter. A loyal one. I am in many NASA whatsapp groups and one for telegram. But nowhere close to the centre.

The vibe am getting is that Baba isn't going to show. He has actually gone on a charm offensive through Radio. Citizen, Jambo, Ghetto and tomorrow he will be on Muuga Fm.

Now am hearing a very interesting twist. That UMK is a slippery guy and might decide to show up today. In which case..........

Please note this is from the usual ODM gang. No one high enough to take serious.
Much Know
#1605 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:41 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
@FRM2011 is RAO showing up for the debate?or that is top secret?


Woi, i hope I haven't given the impression that i am an insider. Because i am not. I am a supporter. A loyal one. I am in many NASA whatsapp groups and one for telegram. But nowhere close to the centre.

The vibe am getting is that Baba isn't going to show. He has actually gone on a charm offensive through Radio. Citizen, Jambo, Ghetto and tomorrow he will be on Muuga Fm.

Now am hearing a very interesting twist. That UMK is a slippery guy and might decide to show up today. In which case..........

Please note this is from the usual ODM gang. No one high enough to take serious.

Uhuru might show up. NATION: Uhuru cancels trip for debate Applause ebu tuone ki-copycat.
Meru Holiness
alma1
#1606 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 6:02:41 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
@FRM2011 is RAO showing up for the debate?or that is top secret?


Woi, i hope I haven't given the impression that i am an insider. Because i am not. I am a supporter. A loyal one. I am in many NASA whatsapp groups and one for telegram. But nowhere close to the centre.

The vibe am getting is that Baba isn't going to show. He has actually gone on a charm offensive through Radio. Citizen, Jambo, Ghetto and tomorrow he will be on Muuga Fm.

Now am hearing a very interesting twist. That UMK is a slippery guy and might decide to show up today. In which case..........

Please note this is from the usual ODM gang. No one high enough to take serious.


I actually love your debates on wazua. You are a breath of fresh air compared to the "others"

However, this is what I'd like to suggest to your ODM fellas.

Uhuru showing up is not a win for Uhuru. Raila not showing up is a total loss. In fact, he'd be the worst politician the world has ever seen.

Which politician can ignore 90 minutes of free advertising? A whole 90 minutes. I can bet that Jubilee bloggers are waiting for Raila not to show up. They will call him copy cat.

Let me be very clear. If Raila doesn't show up, he loses the election. Actually, if any of them doesn't show up and the other does, someone will lose BIGLY.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

kaka2za
#1607 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 6:09:06 PM
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Uhunye sighted in Nairobi. Looks like he didn't go to Samburu.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
FRM2011
#1608 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 6:10:01 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
@from2011 pls explain to me who the ŕeferee/umpire is in this scenario. Is it Babu or some independent observers? The last time I checked the EU and US observers gave IEBC a clean bill for the 2013 results. Moreover the Supreme Court determined no rigging occurred. But CORD came up with their narrative to explain another Babu loss.


Nobody is alleging rigging here. Its about the spectacular failure of the electronic voter identification and transmission system. The same happened in Ghana in 2012. They learnt their lesson and in 2016 held what is now being regarded as the most transparent election in Africa.

Please remember the electronic identification and transmission were specific recommendations from the kriegler report. They were supposed to ensure we do not find ourselves in the 2007 mess ever.

Still, in cord's petition to the supreme court, evidence was presented where figures announced at constituency levels differed from the figures released by IEBC hqs. The variances were small e.g. 96, 141. IEBC would later explain that there had been errors at the constituency levels.

As I stated in another thread, we are hopeless as a nation in fact-checking. Remember the allegation that 2M people only voted for the president and no other post ? It wasn't true. It was started by Robert Alai and funny enough nobody thought of countering the false story with facts.
Rahatupu
#1609 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 6:43:03 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
@from2011 pls explain to me who the ŕeferee/umpire is in this scenario. Is it Babu or some independent observers? The last time I checked the EU and US observers gave IEBC a clean bill for the 2013 results. Moreover the Supreme Court determined no rigging occurred. But CORD came up with their narrative to explain another Babu loss.


Nobody is alleging rigging here. Its about the spectacular failure of the electronic voter identification and transmission system. The same happened in Ghana in 2012. They learnt their lesson and in 2016 held what is now being regarded as the most transparent election in Africa.

Please remember the electronic identification and transmission were specific recommendations from the kriegler report. They were supposed to ensure we do not find ourselves in the 2007 mess ever.

Still, in cord's petition to the supreme court, evidence was presented where figures announced at constituency levels differed from the figures released by IEBC hqs. The variances were small e.g. 96, 141. IEBC would later explain that there had been errors at the constituency levels.

As I stated in another thread, we are hopeless as a nation in fact-checking. Remember the allegation that 2M people only voted for the president and no other post ? It wasn't true. It was started by Robert Alai and funny enough nobody thought of countering the false story with facts.


@from.... you've not told me who besides IEBC will declare that the election is free and fair? Winner or loser?
Realtreaty
#1610 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 7:18:31 PM
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Raila is totally a copy cat, he is copying everything.

We have seen him copy Uhuru win as his own win when he funded a pollster Infotrak run by his relations

Now see this and make a wise decision 8/8/17 early in the morning

http://nairobinews.nation.co.ke...ubilee-jacket-interview/
alma1
#1611 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 7:20:08 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
@from2011 pls explain to me who the ŕeferee/umpire is in this scenario. Is it Babu or some independent observers? The last time I checked the EU and US observers gave IEBC a clean bill for the 2013 results. Moreover the Supreme Court determined no rigging occurred. But CORD came up with their narrative to explain another Babu loss.


Nobody is alleging rigging here. Its about the spectacular failure of the electronic voter identification and transmission system. The same happened in Ghana in 2012. They learnt their lesson and in 2016 held what is now being regarded as the most transparent election in Africa.

Please remember the electronic identification and transmission were specific recommendations from the kriegler report. They were supposed to ensure we do not find ourselves in the 2007 mess ever.

Still, in cord's petition to the supreme court, evidence was presented where figures announced at constituency levels differed from the figures released by IEBC hqs. The variances were small e.g. 96, 141. IEBC would later explain that there had been errors at the constituency levels.

As I stated in another thread, we are hopeless as a nation in fact-checking. Remember the allegation that 2M people only voted for the president and no other post ? It wasn't true. It was started by Robert Alai and funny enough nobody thought of countering the false story with facts.


@from.... you've not told me who besides IEBC will declare that the election is free and fair? Winner or loser?


The IEBC cannot declare any election fair or not fair. Their work is to collect the number of people who are supposed to vote. Ensure those who are supposed to vote, vote. Then count who voted.

Declaring a free or not election is not their work. Very dangerous thinking. Only the voter however misinformed can do that. Bloggers can try but only the voter can.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

alma1
#1612 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 7:23:48 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Raila is totally a copy cat, he is copying everything.

We have seen him copy Uhuru win as his own win when he funded a pollster Infotrak run by his relations

Now see this and make a wise decision 8/8/17 early in the morning

http://nairobinews.nation.co.ke...ubilee-jacket-interview/


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly I told you they would call Raira a copy cat. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Realtreaty
#1613 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 7:28:00 PM
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The Pundas debate has the Candidates discouraging Kenyans on voting for aged candidates
Here they see to be attacking Raila directly who can talk of a past they have not lived as they should go for Candidate of future.
Uhuru must be smiling all the way to the polls!!!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Much Know
#1614 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 7:31:30 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
The Pundas debate has the Candidates discouraging Kenyans on voting for aged candidates
Here they see to be attacking Raila directly who can talk of a past they have not lived as they should go for Candidate of future.
Uhuru must be smiling all the way to the polls!!!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

They should have put raira in this pundas debate and left the professors and doctors to debate uhuru, uhuru is also a professor! Sad
Meru Holiness
alma1
#1615 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 7:51:29 PM
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Raila didn't take Uhuru's bait. So let's wait and see if Uhuru shows up. If he doesn't show up, he's a coward and will lose the elections.

Murchr, is the next talking point going to be about Macharia?
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

alma1
#1616 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 7:53:23 PM
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Bloggers lose yet again.

Let the 8% see these people without them lying to us all the time in public rallies.

I hope every blogger shuts up and lets us decide who won....After all, they didn't want them to show up.

But again, the powers that be read my wazua blogs and saw the light.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#1617 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 7:57:51 PM
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alma1 wrote:
Raila didn't take Uhuru's bait. So let's wait and see if Uhuru shows up. If he doesn't show up, he's a coward and will lose the elections.

Murchr, is the next talking point going to be about Macharia?


Who is Macharia? I thought you want a debate? A debate you will have. Did you not see the headlines earlier that UK cancelled the Samburu campaign for the debate?

So far the punda debate was a waste of time.

By the way, no one is undecided.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma1
#1618 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 8:02:30 PM
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murchr wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Raila didn't take Uhuru's bait. So let's wait and see if Uhuru shows up. If he doesn't show up, he's a coward and will lose the elections.

Murchr, is the next talking point going to be about Macharia?


Who is Macharia? I thought you want a debate? A debate you will have. Did you not see the headlines earlier that UK cancelled the Samburu campaign for the debate?

So far the punda debate was a waste of time.

By the way, no one is undecided.


Hubris my friend Hubris.

I will say it hear and since I don't have a donkey in the race. If you can't show up for your interview, you should not and never expect MY vote. Of course others can vote for you, but ehem, not me. Na tuko wengi my fren.

90 minutes free advertisement 2 weeks to the elections. Mark this day in your calendar.

I'm in a kalocal deep in Kikuyu land, and guys here are not as excited as you might think. They are waiting for their man. No show?
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

alma1
#1619 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 8:08:44 PM
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This is Jubilee for you.

They do nothing for 5 years then leave Itumbi to say what they wanted on Facebook.

If the President of a country cannot turn up to tell his own citizens why he is better than someone else, then why bother with him?

The kalocal people are not very happy my fren. Not very happy. Ohh boy!!
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#1620 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 8:10:42 PM
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alma1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Raila didn't take Uhuru's bait. So let's wait and see if Uhuru shows up. If he doesn't show up, he's a coward and will lose the elections.

Murchr, is the next talking point going to be about Macharia?


Who is Macharia? I thought you want a debate? A debate you will have. Did you not see the headlines earlier that UK cancelled the Samburu campaign for the debate?

So far the punda debate was a waste of time.

By the way, no one is undecided.


Hubris my friend Hubris.

I will say it hear and since I don't have a donkey in the race. If you can't show up for your interview, you should not and never expect MY vote. Of course others can vote for you, but ehem, not me. Na tuko wengi my fren.

90 minutes free advertisement 2 weeks to the elections. Mark this day in your calendar.

I'm in a kalocal deep in Kikuyu land, and guys here are not as excited as you might think. They are waiting for their man. No show?


Hio local ni yako. By the way do you remember the dude who showed up for the VPs debate. Actually, UK might not attend
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