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Uhuru versus Raila 2017
wazuaguest
#1581 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:02:03 PM
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hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

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How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

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This gives a clear picture of our situation
'.....But in a way, that “independence” ensures freedom from rigorous scrutiny, and so can act as a cover for corruption perpetrated by the electoral commission itself. It’s especially acute when biometric systems are involved, because they cost so much per voter.

In established democracies, elections cost an average of $1 to $3 per head, says this article by journalist Michaela Wrong. But introducing biometrics into the system – coupled with the notoriously poor infrastructure in much of Africa – sends the bill skyrocketing.

In Kenya’s 2013 election, with a final bill of over $200 million, the polls cost $20 per voter, and in Cote d’Ivoire, the last election was $44 per voter....'
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hardwood
#1582 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:03:18 PM
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FRM2011
#1583 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:04:06 PM
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thuks wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
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Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.



Wacha uongo boss !!!! The above article was written by Christine Mungai in reference to Ghana's 2012 election and Kenya's 2013.

Supreme court in Ghana gave far-reaching recommendations to improve the credibility of the electoral process. BVR was one of those recommendations.

Guess what, in 2016 Ghana's elections went on smoothly. BVR succeeded in identifying over 99% of voters. The few non-BVR voters are understandable.

And the incumbent lost to the opposition. Am sure you know all this. If the process is free, fair and credible, Jubilee doesn't stand a chance.

Is bvr therefore 'prerigged' against incumbency?


BVR is not pre-rigged. Its just that in a clean, transparent process of one man one vote, the voter will choose the better option. In our case, NASA.

Its interesting that every jubilee commentator is talking the same language, "technology can fail".

From NASA we do not want suspicious turnouts even in our strongholds. We want BVR to identify voters even in Bondo. We want IEBC to announce by 5pm how many people voted in Bondo constituency even before the votes are counted. If the RO announces a different figure, we want him arrested and charged with an election offence. We want to win this fair and clean. Because we know we can and we will.

If only we can hear this from Jubilee.
madollar
#1584 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:09:46 PM
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Uhuru has cancelled his campaign schedule for today seems he may appear at that media debate.
FRM2011
#1585 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:11:04 PM
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wazuaguest wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
[quote=Obi 1 Kanobi]


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.


This gives a clear picture of our situation
'.....But in a way, that “independence” ensures freedom from rigorous scrutiny, and so can act as a cover for corruption perpetrated by the electoral commission itself. It’s especially acute when biometric systems are involved, because they cost so much per voter.

In established democracies, elections cost an average of $1 to $3 per head, says this article by journalist Michaela Wrong. But introducing biometrics into the system – coupled with the notoriously poor infrastructure in much of Africa – sends the bill skyrocketing.

In Kenya’s 2013 election, with a final bill of over $200 million, the polls cost $20 per voter, and in Cote d’Ivoire, the last election was $44 per voter....'


@wazuaguest, why don't we use Ghana's 2016 election as a case study. BVR registered 99% success. The credibility of the election was such that there was no petition at the supreme court.

Cost per voter - $5.

But the cost of a botched electoral process will make the $200M look like pocket change.

What irks me is this defeatist attitude, that even after spending all this money, it is okay for IEBC not to deliver because....."technology fails"
thuks
#1586 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:33:30 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
thuks wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
[


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.



Wacha uongo boss !!!! The above article was written by Christine Mungai in reference to Ghana's 2012 election and Kenya's 2013.

Supreme court in Ghana gave far-reaching recommendations to improve the credibility of the electoral process. BVR was one of those recommendations.

Guess what, in 2016 Ghana's elections went on smoothly. BVR succeeded in identifying over 99% of voters. The few non-BVR voters are understandable.

And the incumbent lost to the opposition. Am sure you know all this. If the process is free, fair and credible, Jubilee doesn't stand a chance.

Is bvr therefore 'prerigged' against incumbency?


BVR is not pre-rigged. Its just that in a clean, transparent process of one man one vote, the voter will choose the better option. In our case, NASA.

Its interesting that every jubilee commentator is talking the same language, "technology can fail".

From NASA we do not want suspicious turnouts even in our strongholds. We want BVR to identify voters even in Bondo. We want IEBC to announce by 5pm how many people voted in Bondo constituency even before the votes are counted. If the RO announces a different figure, we want him arrested and charged with an election offence. We want to win this fair and clean. Because we know we can and we will.

If only we can hear this from Jubilee.

So its more hope / belief than an assertion of fact? That should settle it for JP too, I guess.
I care!
hardwood
#1587 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:38:28 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
[quote=Obi 1 Kanobi]


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.


This gives a clear picture of our situation
'.....But in a way, that “independence” ensures freedom from rigorous scrutiny, and so can act as a cover for corruption perpetrated by the electoral commission itself. It’s especially acute when biometric systems are involved, because they cost so much per voter.

In established democracies, elections cost an average of $1 to $3 per head, says this article by journalist Michaela Wrong. But introducing biometrics into the system – coupled with the notoriously poor infrastructure in much of Africa – sends the bill skyrocketing.

In Kenya’s 2013 election, with a final bill of over $200 million, the polls cost $20 per voter, and in Cote d’Ivoire, the last election was $44 per voter....'


@wazuaguest, why don't we use Ghana's 2016 election as a case study. BVR registered 99% success. The credibility of the election was such that there was no petition at the supreme court.

Cost per voter - $5.

But the cost of a botched electoral process will make the $200M look like pocket change.

What irks me is this defeatist attitude, that even after spending all this money, it is okay for IEBC not to deliver because....."technology fails"


We all saw what happened with the kits in 2013 and it would be stupid not to put in place contingency measures. Did I hear that NASA wanted elections suspended at a polling station until a faulty bvr kit is repaired, even if it takes 1 week to repair?
hardwood
#1588 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:45:13 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
[quote=Obi 1 Kanobi]


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.


This gives a clear picture of our situation
'.....But in a way, that “independence” ensures freedom from rigorous scrutiny, and so can act as a cover for corruption perpetrated by the electoral commission itself. It’s especially acute when biometric systems are involved, because they cost so much per voter.

In established democracies, elections cost an average of $1 to $3 per head, says this article by journalist Michaela Wrong. But introducing biometrics into the system – coupled with the notoriously poor infrastructure in much of Africa – sends the bill skyrocketing.

In Kenya’s 2013 election, with a final bill of over $200 million, the polls cost $20 per voter, and in Cote d’Ivoire, the last election was $44 per voter....'


@wazuaguest, why don't we use Ghana's 2016 election as a case study. BVR registered 99% success. The credibility of the election was such that there was no petition at the supreme court.

Cost per voter - $5.

But the cost of a botched electoral process will make the $200M look like pocket change.

What irks me is this defeatist attitude, that even after spending all this money, it is okay for IEBC not to deliver because....."technology fails"


99% is not good enough, it must ensure 100% success. Otherwise the affected 1% must not be disenfranchised because of some stupid gadget/technology. Can you imagine the chaos where 410 polling stations (i.e 1% of kenyas 41000 polling stations) are grounded because the kits failed?
FRM2011
#1589 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:52:04 PM
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hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
[quote=hardwood

This gives a clear picture of our situation
'.....But in a way, that “independence” ensures freedom from rigorous scrutiny, and so can act as a cover for corruption perpetrated by the electoral commission itself. It’s especially acute when biometric systems are involved, because they cost so much per voter.

In established democracies, elections cost an average of $1 to $3 per head, says this article by journalist Michaela Wrong. But introducing biometrics into the system – coupled with the notoriously poor infrastructure in much of Africa – sends the bill skyrocketing.

In Kenya’s 2013 election, with a final bill of over $200 million, the polls cost $20 per voter, and in Cote d’Ivoire, the last election was $44 per voter....'


@wazuaguest, why don't we use Ghana's 2016 election as a case study. BVR registered 99% success. The credibility of the election was such that there was no petition at the supreme court.

Cost per voter - $5.

But the cost of a botched electoral process will make the $200M look like pocket change.

What irks me is this defeatist attitude, that even after spending all this money, it is okay for IEBC not to deliver because....."technology fails"


We all saw what happened with the kits in 2013 and it would be stupid not to put in place contingency measures. Did I hear that NASA wanted elections suspended at a polling station until a faulty bvr kit is repaired, even if it takes 1 week to repair?


2013 is a very bad example to rely on. The kits didn't fail. The IEBC management failed.

Some of the reasons were simply ridiculous. Most Presiding Officers were seeing the kits for the first time that morning. Most didn't have passwords. Most kits were not charged and they were deployed in areas without power. No dry-run had been done before. No training had been done. In short the failure was deliberate.

I actually hope James Oswago will eventually be found guilty and thrown to jail.

To its credit, the IEBC this time has tried. They have promised to start testing the technology from next week. They have provided back-up batteries for every kit guaranteeing at least 24 hours power. They are training their people on how to use the kits. Every kit will only be identifying not more than 700 voters.

With all this preparation, if the kits work during the test runs, why would they "refuse" to work on 8th Aug 2017. Should we expect 100% success on D-day ? Highly unlikely. But where do we draw the line between unavoidable failures and deliberate sabotage ?

NASA wanted to eliminate any room for mischief.
hardwood
#1590 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 3:53:42 PM
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hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
[quote=Obi 1 Kanobi]


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.


This gives a clear picture of our situation
'.....But in a way, that “independence” ensures freedom from rigorous scrutiny, and so can act as a cover for corruption perpetrated by the electoral commission itself. It’s especially acute when biometric systems are involved, because they cost so much per voter.

In established democracies, elections cost an average of $1 to $3 per head, says this article by journalist Michaela Wrong. But introducing biometrics into the system – coupled with the notoriously poor infrastructure in much of Africa – sends the bill skyrocketing.

In Kenya’s 2013 election, with a final bill of over $200 million, the polls cost $20 per voter, and in Cote d’Ivoire, the last election was $44 per voter....'


@wazuaguest, why don't we use Ghana's 2016 election as a case study. BVR registered 99% success. The credibility of the election was such that there was no petition at the supreme court.

Cost per voter - $5.

But the cost of a botched electoral process will make the $200M look like pocket change.

What irks me is this defeatist attitude, that even after spending all this money, it is okay for IEBC not to deliver because....."technology fails"


99% is not good enough, it must ensure 100% success. Otherwise the affected 1% must not be disenfranchised because of some stupid gadget/technology.


Can you imagine the chaos that would be there if voting is cancelled at 410 polling stations (i.e 1% of kenyas 41000 polling stations) just because the kits failed? That would be enough reason to nullify the whole election.
FRM2011
#1591 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:00:16 PM
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hardwood wrote:


99% is not good enough, it must ensure 100% success. Otherwise the affected 1% must not be disenfranchised because of some stupid gadget/technology. Can you imagine the chaos where 410 polling stations (i.e 1% of kenyas 41000 polling stations) are grounded because the kits failed?[/quote]

Actually 99% is very good. Make that exceptional. The remaining 1% will be identified by an alternative process already anchored in the amended elections act.

The key thing here is to make sure those cases where BVR fails are not deliberate.

Can you imagine if 50 polling stations in Bondo report massive BVR failure ? Even I would rather kirudiwo. I hope we can look beyond 2017.

If we leave these loopholes unsealed, there is a shrewd protagonist angling for the 2022 polls who can take us back 20 years. Sly, cunning and ruthless with only one goal. State capture for personal enrichment.
hardwood
#1592 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:04:34 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:


99% is not good enough, it must ensure 100% success. Otherwise the affected 1% must not be disenfranchised because of some stupid gadget/technology. Can you imagine the chaos where 410 polling stations (i.e 1% of kenyas 41000 polling stations) are grounded because the kits failed?


Actually 99% is very good. Make that exceptional. The remaining 1% will be identified by an alternative process already anchored in the amended elections act.

The key thing here is to make sure those cases where BVR fails are not deliberate.

Can you imagine if 50 polling stations in Bondo report massive BVR failure ? Even I would rather kirudiwo. I hope we can look beyond 2017.

If we leave these loopholes unsealed, there is a shrewd protagonist angling for the 2022 polls who can take us back 20 years. Sly, cunning and ruthless with only one goal. State capture for personal enrichment.


Now I do understand your support for NASA..... and BVR kits.
FRM2011
#1593 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:09:10 PM
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hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:


99% is not good enough, it must ensure 100% success. Otherwise the affected 1% must not be disenfranchised because of some stupid gadget/technology. Can you imagine the chaos where 410 polling stations (i.e 1% of kenyas 41000 polling stations) are grounded because the kits failed?


Actually 99% is very good. Make that exceptional. The remaining 1% will be identified by an alternative process already anchored in the amended elections act.

The key thing here is to make sure those cases where BVR fails are not deliberate.

Can you imagine if 50 polling stations in Bondo report massive BVR failure ? Even I would rather kirudiwo. I hope we can look beyond 2017.

If we leave these loopholes unsealed, there is a shrewd protagonist angling for the 2022 polls who can take us back 20 years. Sly, cunning and ruthless with only one goal. State capture for personal enrichment.


Now I do understand your support for NASA..... and BVR kits.


Can see you are a sharp guy. Like our people say, "Mundu mugi ndaari miheere ya uhoro"
KulaRaha
#1594 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:16:40 PM
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Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.
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murchr
#1595 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:17:42 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.


YES!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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KulaRaha
#1596 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:24:45 PM
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murchr wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.


YES!


Oh well, once we go there, it is impossible to convince anyone the polls are credible.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Liv
#1597 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:30:42 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Liv wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


And what reality is that?..... What has brought it now?


Its a coin toss, Uhuruto's body language and frantic campaigning says it all


How did you conclude that it is a coin toss? Those polls that are showing Jubilee in will get 28% of all nairobi votes? Is that your new reality?

And how is Uhuru's body language showing you the new reality?

murchr
#1598 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:31:28 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
murchr wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.


YES!


Oh well, once we go there, it is impossible to convince anyone the polls are credible.


The polls are not credible because of machines. Look at Trump vs Hillary. Trump thinks un registered illegals voted hence Hillary won the popular vote. On the other hand, Democrats want to know if Russia interfered with their voting machines.

All in all, the loser always has something to say.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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FRM2011
#1599 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:33:00 PM
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murchr wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.


YES!


From what IEBC is explaining, incidences where the kit fails to identify the voter are supposed to be very few or none at all.

The alternative process is crazy. A specific form will have to be filled for each case where the KIEMS system fails to identify you as a voter. Then all party agents are summoned to the desk by the presiding officer. A search for your name is done still on the system. If they are in agreement, you are allowed to vote.

At the end of the day, the presiding officer has to file a return of the cases where electronic identification failed.

From the foregoing, we can conclude that IEBC is working on the assumption that these cases will be vey few.

In the event of a kit not working, the have pledged to have another delivered within 1 hour.

I am really hoping and praying that IEBC succeeds.

As a NASA supporter, if I were to make a choice between Rao losing in a clean election or winning in a disputed one, I would rather we lose any day.
wazuaguest
#1600 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:50:23 PM
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@FRM2011 is RAO showing up for the debate?or that is top secret?
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