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Uhuru versus Raila 2017
FRM2011
#1571 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 12:57:28 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.
hardwood
#1572 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 1:09:15 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

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ZZE123
#1573 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 1:17:13 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/21/2008
Posts: 2,490
Lolest! wrote:
Liv wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


And what reality is that?..... What has brought it now?

Joshua is winning with 70%. Reality has settled in after Ambitho released poll

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FRM2011
#1574 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 2:17:19 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?
hardwood
#1575 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 2:29:49 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

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hardwood
#1576 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 2:40:30 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Baba alisema democracy is expensive. "We" are ready to go to great lengths "to help him win".
Gakware
#1577 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 2:42:53 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 2/9/2017
Posts: 65
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.



What’s particularly illuminating is that more mature democracies are moving away from electronic voting systems, mainly because of their vulnerability to glitches, and their opacity - the inability to conclusively verify that electronic votes or the software on machines have not been manipulated.

The broader, systemic problem, however is that in much of Africa, the whole political system is perceived as a winner-takes-all route to quick riches, hence the viciously cutthroat nature of elections.

In such a toxic, polarised environment, even if all the biometric readers failed, you would still be assured of a winner.

Pray Pray Pray Pray
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FRM2011
#1578 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 2:47:51 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.



Wacha uongo boss !!!! The above article was written by Christine Mungai in reference to Ghana's 2012 election and Kenya's 2013.

Supreme court in Ghana gave far-reaching recommendations to improve the credibility of the electoral process. BVR was one of those recommendations.

Guess what, in 2016 Ghana's elections went on smoothly. BVR succeeded in identifying over 99% of voters. The few non-BVR voters are understandable.

And the incumbent lost to the opposition. Am sure you know all this. If the process is free, fair and credible, Jubilee doesn't stand a chance.
Fyatu
#1579 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 2:52:52 PM
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Posts: 1,822
Location: Nakuru
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thuks
#1580 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 2:53:09 PM
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Joined: 10/8/2008
Posts: 1,575
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat.

NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ????

We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany.

Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results.

When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones.

I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be.

Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.


Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up?

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

.


How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver.

We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail.

If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017.

And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?


Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria?

http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter

.



Wacha uongo boss !!!! The above article was written by Christine Mungai in reference to Ghana's 2012 election and Kenya's 2013.

Supreme court in Ghana gave far-reaching recommendations to improve the credibility of the electoral process. BVR was one of those recommendations.

Guess what, in 2016 Ghana's elections went on smoothly. BVR succeeded in identifying over 99% of voters. The few non-BVR voters are understandable.

And the incumbent lost to the opposition. Am sure you know all this. If the process is free, fair and credible, Jubilee doesn't stand a chance.

Is bvr therefore 'prerigged' against incumbency?
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