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Law Capping interest rates
winmak
#2061 Posted : Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:18:22 PM
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"Yet another sign of liquidity difficulties is the fact that the number of banks that are utterly dependent on the Central Bank window have increased to four."

Which 4 banks are these he was talking about, this is getting me worried, anyone with word in?
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obiero
#2062 Posted : Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:50:31 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
obiero wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
KNM wrote:
Capping in a free market...LOL. Just as was predicted, small banks folding up with accompanying job losses. It would be laughable were it not so sad.


Which smaller banks have folded? What I see is more of;
1. investors who went into banking for short term gains selling and leaving
2. And banks with poor management and inefficiencies (like NBK) suffering because they are unable to transfer their inefficiencies to poor borrowers through expensive high interest loans

Where have you been dude? Giro, Habib..


The Giro;I&M Deal started may be 2 years before interest rate capping was done and if I am right also concluded before the capping.

Habib Bank also sold out in principle before capping.

If you dig deeper, you will realise that for both these banks, the owners wanted to make their investments more liquid by merging with listed banks, i.e I&M and DTB.

@Obiero, you spend alot of time in the investment section, the least you could do is research more so you write facts.

It does not matter when the negotiation started.. Times are hard. Even Barclays now joins in the party https://www.standardmedi...-off-hundreds-of-workers

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obiero
#2063 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 7:19:22 AM
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Here are the facts that @sparks requests.. Both takeover deals were documented post rate cap. March 2017 to be precise, despite initial initial attempts on the one for Giro having started late 2015

https://propakistani.pk/...ons-diamond-trust-bank/

https://www.standardmedi...ebranding-after-takeover

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Gatheuzi
#2064 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 7:21:38 AM
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obiero wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
obiero wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
KNM wrote:
Capping in a free market...LOL. Just as was predicted, small banks folding up with accompanying job losses. It would be laughable were it not so sad.


Which smaller banks have folded? What I see is more of;
1. investors who went into banking for short term gains selling and leaving
2. And banks with poor management and inefficiencies (like NBK) suffering because they are unable to transfer their inefficiencies to poor borrowers through expensive high interest loans

Where have you been dude? Giro, Habib..


The Giro;I&M Deal started may be 2 years before interest rate capping was done and if I am right also concluded before the capping.

Habib Bank also sold out in principle before capping.

If you dig deeper, you will realise that for both these banks, the owners wanted to make their investments more liquid by merging with listed banks, i.e I&M and DTB.

@Obiero, you spend alot of time in the investment section, the least you could do is research more so you write facts.

It does not matter when the negotiation started.. Times are hard. Even Barclays now joins in the party https://www.standardmedi...off-hundreds-of-workers

The main reason given by Barclays for reasulting to lay off was customer preferences shifting to use of mobile and online banking. That is what has lead to redundancy in a large part. But as usual the author goes further to add rate capping comments at the end.
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obiero
#2065 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 7:29:02 AM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
obiero wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
obiero wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
KNM wrote:
Capping in a free market...LOL. Just as was predicted, small banks folding up with accompanying job losses. It would be laughable were it not so sad.


Which smaller banks have folded? What I see is more of;
1. investors who went into banking for short term gains selling and leaving
2. And banks with poor management and inefficiencies (like NBK) suffering because they are unable to transfer their inefficiencies to poor borrowers through expensive high interest loans

Where have you been dude? Giro, Habib..


The Giro;I&M Deal started may be 2 years before interest rate capping was done and if I am right also concluded before the capping.

Habib Bank also sold out in principle before capping.

If you dig deeper, you will realise that for both these banks, the owners wanted to make their investments more liquid by merging with listed banks, i.e I&M and DTB.

@Obiero, you spend alot of time in the investment section, the least you could do is research more so you write facts.

It does not matter when the negotiation started.. Times are hard. Even Barclays now joins in the party https://www.standardmedi...off-hundreds-of-workers

The main reason given by Barclays for reasulting to lay off was customer preferences shifting to use of mobile and online banking. That is what has lead to redundancy in a large part. But as usual the author goes further to add rate capping comments at the end.

@Gatheuzi do you believe them.. Firing 150 staff only due to technological development.. I personally think that it is an excuse. ICT would have taken down the staff count by higher numbers

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actuarywahisa
#2066 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 3:29:09 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
obiero wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
obiero wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
KNM wrote:
Capping in a free market...LOL. Just as was predicted, small banks folding up with accompanying job losses. It would be laughable were it not so sad.


Which smaller banks have folded? What I see is more of;
1. investors who went into banking for short term gains selling and leaving
2. And banks with poor management and inefficiencies (like NBK) suffering because they are unable to transfer their inefficiencies to poor borrowers through expensive high interest loans

Where have you been dude? Giro, Habib..


The Giro;I&M Deal started may be 2 years before interest rate capping was done and if I am right also concluded before the capping.

Habib Bank also sold out in principle before capping.

If you dig deeper, you will realise that for both these banks, the owners wanted to make their investments more liquid by merging with listed banks, i.e I&M and DTB.

@Obiero, you spend alot of time in the investment section, the least you could do is research more so you write facts.

It does not matter when the negotiation started.. Times are hard. Even Barclays now joins in the party https://www.standardmedi...off-hundreds-of-workers

The main reason given by Barclays for reasulting to lay off was customer preferences shifting to use of mobile and online banking. That is what has lead to redundancy in a large part. But as usual the author goes further to add rate capping comments at the end.


To convince Obiero out of buying the rate capping stories ni kama kupigia mbuzi guitar.
There are too many opportunities all around. Open your eyes and maybe you'll spot one
aemathenge
#2067 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 7:09:19 PM
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actuarywahisa wrote:
To convince Obiero out of buying the rate capping stories ni kama kupigia mbuzi guitar.

Should I be offended?
sparkly
#2068 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:00:41 AM
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aemathenge wrote:
actuarywahisa wrote:
To convince Obiero out of buying the rate capping stories ni kama kupigia mbuzi guitar.

Should I be offended?

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Swenani
#2069 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:12:12 AM
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aemathenge wrote:
actuarywahisa wrote:
To convince Obiero out of buying the rate capping stories ni kama kupigia mbuzi guitar.

Should I be offended?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
obiero
#2070 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:27:01 PM
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Swenani wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
actuarywahisa wrote:
To convince Obiero out of buying the rate capping stories ni kama kupigia mbuzi guitar.

Should I be offended?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Haha. @mahegoat

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actuarywahisa
#2071 Posted : Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:17:51 PM
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obiero wrote:
Swenani wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
actuarywahisa wrote:
To convince Obiero out of buying the rate capping stories ni kama kupigia mbuzi guitar.

Should I be offended?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Haha. @mahegoat


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wukan
#2072 Posted : Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:55:13 PM
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This is one great article the style of writing and research made me feel like I was reading NY Times.

Key highlights
1.that lenders have to do more on the quality of their loan books and any other costs that can be done away with to maintain profitability.

2. as part of adjustments to the law, cost-to-income ratio should not exceed 40 per cent in order to stay positive operationally.(NIC is at 38%)

3. A tenth of all loans issued by banks are not being paid and the gross bad loans now stands at a record Sh228 billion against gross loans of Sh2.3 trillion.

4.lenders should not shy away from the market but instead ensure they get good borrowers. “Because lending business is no longer margin-driven, they need to volumise business through a product-focused approach to lending. (Race to the bottom)

5. “Additionally, price is no longer a competitive factor and lending is now a battle of the good customer. Banks now have to either look for these customers out there or create them.”(Race to the bottom)

6.We still remain in a Darwinian moment when the fittest of Tier Ones and Twos will survive. By appreciating a positioning for the Future the Winners will win big.”

7.As expected, on cost of funds, Tier 2 banks have benefited the most from the introduction of interest rates controls – the spread between highest and lowest rates on deposits has contracted from 4.18 percentage points to 3.40 percentage points in the first quarter of 2017.


obiero
#2073 Posted : Friday, June 30, 2017 10:52:57 AM
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Kenyan banks are officially in danger http://www.businessdaily...993596-jvq3rx/index.html

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obiero
#2074 Posted : Friday, June 30, 2017 11:10:22 AM
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obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
[quote=obiero][quote=Pesa Nane][quote=obiero][quote=maka]Look at this;

This month the Central Bank of Kenya offered a 10 year Treasury Bond for a total amount of up to Kshs 25 Billion. The total number of bids received was 795 amounting to Kshs 26.31 Billion. The Weighted average rate for successful bids was 15.039%

Coupon 15.039% crazy...even after WHT its good cash

I spoke to the president and his take was that the government shall pull down borrowing rates for itself, which is a good thing.. Expect government to obtain cheap credit. Watch the tbill rate slide down in coming months. We live in good times

Congrats for speaking with @citizen001 but you should have asked him how the "government shall pull down borrowing rates for itself" when in fact we know the rates are market driven (through auctions)

Beg to differ. The auctions are driven mainly by banks.. Now that banks are pushed to the wall on consumer lending, expect government to show a stiff hand


Rates at the auction won't come down anytime soon....that 10 year was just a start.

91, 182, 364 day bills all down.. Expect the shorter tenor to hit 6.5% by December.. As per Graham's law, the bulls at the NSE must show up shortly.. http://www.businessdaily...4800-b0eb44z/index.html[/quote]


Government stiff hand now visible with the last few failed auctions.. The NSE rally is nigh http://www.businessdaily...98768-c6waci/index.html[/quote]
I spoke to the president

Here we are http://www.businessdaily...9230-geckqhz/index.html[/quote]
Since late 1800 Graham's law has never been found false. NSE index approaches 3,200 on a multi month rally http://www.businessdaily...21646-ywcses/index.html[/quote]
Quote verbatim in today's daily "Government lending up.The CBK data also shows that while private sector credit growth has fallen, banks have significantly increased their lending to government.
Credit to government grew 7.1 per cent on an annualised basis at the end of March, recovering from negative growth in the second half of 2016.
Credit to other public sector borrowers such as parastatals and local (county) government units grew by 28.3 per cent in the period." Full link http://www.businessdaily...993596-jvq3rx/index.html

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obiero
#2075 Posted : Friday, June 30, 2017 11:19:12 AM
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Quote verbatim in today's daily "Government lending up.The CBK data also shows that while private sector credit growth has fallen, banks have significantly increased their lending to government.
Credit to government grew 7.1 per cent on an annualised basis at the end of March, recovering from negative growth in the second half of 2016.
Credit to other public sector borrowers such as parastatals and local (county) government units grew by 28.3 per cent in the period." Full link http://www.businessdaily...993596-jvq3rx/index.html

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actuarywahisa
#2076 Posted : Friday, June 30, 2017 12:08:46 PM
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obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=maka][quote=obiero][quote=Pesa Nane][quote=obiero][quote=maka]Look at this;

This month the Central Bank of Kenya offered a 10 year Treasury Bond for a total amount of up to Kshs 25 Billion. The total number of bids received was 795 amounting to Kshs 26.31 Billion. The Weighted average rate for successful bids was 15.039%

Coupon 15.039% crazy...even after WHT its good cash

I spoke to the president and his take was that the government shall pull down borrowing rates for itself, which is a good thing.. Expect government to obtain cheap credit. Watch the tbill rate slide down in coming months. We live in good times

Congrats for speaking with @citizen001 but you should have asked him how the "government shall pull down borrowing rates for itself" when in fact we know the rates are market driven (through auctions)

Beg to differ. The auctions are driven mainly by banks.. Now that banks are pushed to the wall on consumer lending, expect government to show a stiff hand


Rates at the auction won't come down anytime soon....that 10 year was just a start.

91, 182, 364 day bills all down.. Expect the shorter tenor to hit 6.5% by December.. As per Graham's law, the bulls at the NSE must show up shortly.. http://www.businessdaily...4800-b0eb44z/index.html[/quote]


Government stiff hand now visible with the last few failed auctions.. The NSE rally is nigh http://www.businessdaily...98768-c6waci/index.html[/quote]
I spoke to the president

Here we are http://www.businessdaily...9230-geckqhz/index.html[/quote]
Since late 1800 Graham's law has never been found false. NSE index approaches 3,200 on a multi month rally http://www.businessdaily...21646-ywcses/index.html[/quote]
Quote verbatim in today's daily "Government lending up.The CBK data also shows that while private sector credit growth has fallen, banks have significantly increased their lending to government.
Credit to government grew 7.1 per cent on an annualised basis at the end of March, recovering from negative growth in the second half of 2016.
Credit to other public sector borrowers such as parastatals and local (county) government units grew by 28.3 per cent in the period." Full link http://www.businessdaily...93596-jvq3rx/index.html[/quote]

Obiero replies to Obiero who replied to Obiero who replied to Obiero who replied to Obiero who replied to Obiero who replied to ...guess who? You guessed it! .... Obiero!

Baba hii mambo ya rate cap it seems you are enjoying a monologue. d'oh!
There are too many opportunities all around. Open your eyes and maybe you'll spot one
obiero
#2077 Posted : Friday, June 30, 2017 12:12:33 PM
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actuarywahisa wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=maka][quote=obiero][quote=Pesa Nane][quote=obiero][quote=maka]Look at this;

This month the Central Bank of Kenya offered a 10 year Treasury Bond for a total amount of up to Kshs 25 Billion. The total number of bids received was 795 amounting to Kshs 26.31 Billion. The Weighted average rate for successful bids was 15.039%

Coupon 15.039% crazy...even after WHT its good cash

I spoke to the president and his take was that the government shall pull down borrowing rates for itself, which is a good thing.. Expect government to obtain cheap credit. Watch the tbill rate slide down in coming months. We live in good times

Congrats for speaking with @citizen001 but you should have asked him how the "government shall pull down borrowing rates for itself" when in fact we know the rates are market driven (through auctions)

Beg to differ. The auctions are driven mainly by banks.. Now that banks are pushed to the wall on consumer lending, expect government to show a stiff hand


Rates at the auction won't come down anytime soon....that 10 year was just a start.

91, 182, 364 day bills all down.. Expect the shorter tenor to hit 6.5% by December.. As per Graham's law, the bulls at the NSE must show up shortly.. http://www.businessdaily...4800-b0eb44z/index.html[/quote]


Government stiff hand now visible with the last few failed auctions.. The NSE rally is nigh http://www.businessdaily...98768-c6waci/index.html[/quote]
I spoke to the president

Here we are http://www.businessdaily...9230-geckqhz/index.html[/quote]
Since late 1800 Graham's law has never been found false. NSE index approaches 3,200 on a multi month rally http://www.businessdaily...21646-ywcses/index.html[/quote]
Quote verbatim in today's daily "Government lending up.The CBK data also shows that while private sector credit growth has fallen, banks have significantly increased their lending to government.
Credit to government grew 7.1 per cent on an annualised basis at the end of March, recovering from negative growth in the second half of 2016.
Credit to other public sector borrowers such as parastatals and local (county) government units grew by 28.3 per cent in the period." Full link http://www.businessdaily...93596-jvq3rx/index.html[/quote]

Obiero replies to Obiero who replied to Obiero who replied to Obiero who replied to Obiero who replied to Obiero who replied to ...guess who? You guessed it! .... Obiero!

Baba hii mambo ya rate cap it seems you are enjoying a monologue. d'oh!

Thanks for breaking the monologue.. Lol

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wukan
#2078 Posted : Friday, June 30, 2017 12:13:34 PM
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obiero wrote:
Quote verbatim in today's daily "Government lending up.The CBK data also shows that while private sector credit growth has fallen, banks have significantly increased their lending to government.
Credit to government grew 7.1 per cent on an annualised basis at the end of March, recovering from negative growth in the second half of 2016.
Credit to other public sector borrowers such as parastatals and local (county) government units grew by 28.3 per cent in the period." Full link http://www.businessdaily...993596-jvq3rx/index.html


The making of a Greek tragedy. Private sector recession versus public sector big appetite. It never ends well but still early days.
obiero
#2079 Posted : Friday, June 30, 2017 12:28:27 PM
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wukan wrote:
obiero wrote:
Quote verbatim in today's daily "Government lending up.The CBK data also shows that while private sector credit growth has fallen, banks have significantly increased their lending to government.
Credit to government grew 7.1 per cent on an annualised basis at the end of March, recovering from negative growth in the second half of 2016.
Credit to other public sector borrowers such as parastatals and local (county) government units grew by 28.3 per cent in the period." Full link http://www.businessdaily...993596-jvq3rx/index.html


The making of a Greek tragedy. Private sector recession versus public sector big appetite. It never ends well but still early days.

The free secondary education policy promise will be the end of us. GoK already asking for additional 4.8B via makiba II http://www.businessdaily...993800-t30u03/index.html

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