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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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How are they chosen?
Are they permanent employees of IEBC or are they contracted only for the election period?
At what time point are they assigned constituencies? 3 months to elections? 1 month? One week?
Do they have to reside in the constituency that they are presiding over?
What is their pay?
Do politician and the public know who their Returning Officer is going to be? If so how long before the elections do they get to know?
These people will be the main focus of the coming elections so we may as well have a thread on them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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according to the recently announced, IEBC recruitment which just ended, DEPUTY R.Os temporary employees for at least 60 days earning 3,000 per day don't know about returning officers To Each His Own
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/12/2008 Posts: 1,178
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You have opened the next debate which will invade our airwaves for the next few weeks. I foresee some coalition demanding to Know all the CROs and their origin and relationship with any Kenyan.... Judge Odunga
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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I thought the ball is more in the court of Presiding Officers manning polling station//streams than Returning Officer!!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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What information does the Returning Officer need to announce results? In what form is that information? Is it electronic, is it paper?
Can he announce cumulative results or does he have to wait till all results are in and then make one announcement?
What happens if he does not receive results or there is delay in getting results from certain polling stations?
Where is the Returning officer stationed?
Is the Constituency Returning Officer a person or an Office? If it is an office what is its structure? How many people work for the Returning Officer and what are their roles?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,364
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Kusadikika wrote:What information does the Returning Officer need to announce results? In what form is that information? Is it electronic, is it paper?
Can he announce cumulative results or does he have to wait till all results are in and then make one announcement?
What happens if he does not receive results or there is delay in getting results from certain polling stations?
Where is the Returning officer stationed?
Is the Constituency Returning Officer a person or an Office? If it is an office what is its structure? How many people work for the Returning Officer and what are their roles?
 I am with you here...not with those who think in terms of IEBC being defeated by Nasa at the expense of Jubilee. I love the area where the Lady Justice mentioned Kreggler report recommendations that saw all sides of the divide having more tallied votes than the registered voters. We have seen it happen in just concluded Primaries in Machakos county. It is a matter of accountability and responsibility as PO has to verify what is on register before formal announcement at her/his level which he can object from powers bestowed. This is not a win for Nasa nor is it a loss for IEBC, it is making things easy and fair. It makes it easy for a voter to point a finger not at Chebukhati but to level PO Remember Kivuitu answering questions with "I do not know as I was not on the ground" Now we have Ground people to answer that IEBC Senior officials just need to give their SOPs to PO and determine who will be where not Political parties. Observers for political parties and others have a head to get information and his area must be secured from hooligans of political parties. Those who are ready to say the elections are rigged will not have their say!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Realtreaty wrote:Kusadikika wrote:What information does the Returning Officer need to announce results? In what form is that information? Is it electronic, is it paper?
Can he announce cumulative results or does he have to wait till all results are in and then make one announcement?
What happens if he does not receive results or there is delay in getting results from certain polling stations?
Where is the Returning officer stationed?
Is the Constituency Returning Officer a person or an Office? If it is an office what is its structure? How many people work for the Returning Officer and what are their roles?
I am with you here...not with those who think in terms of IEBC being defeated by Nasa at the expense of Jubilee. I love the area where the Lady Justice mentioned Kreggler report recommendations that saw all sides of the divide having more tallied votes than the registered voters. We have seen it happen in just concluded Primaries in Machakos county. It is a matter of accountability and responsibility as PO has to verify what is on register before formal announcement at her/his level which he can object from powers bestowed. This is not a win for Nasa nor is it a loss for IEBC, it is making things easy and fair. It makes it easy for a voter to point a finger not at Chebukhati but to level PO Remember Kivuitu answering questions with "I do not know as I was not on the ground" Now we have Ground people to answer that IEBC Senior officials just need to give their SOPs to PO and determine who will be where not Political parties. Observers for political parties and others have a head to get information and his area must be secured from hooligans of political parties. Those who are ready to say the elections are rigged will not have their say! Word.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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Is it the announcement of constituency results that is final or the signed document?
Lets say the results are completed at 2am in the morning and the Returning Officer in Kasipul Kabondo constituency due to a slip of the tongue announces to all gathered that Baba has garnered 120,239 votes. The tally that he has in his hand and which he signs shows that Baba actually got 102,239 votes.
So which is the official result, the announced result or the signed document?
Does IEBC do the final tally according to documentation or announcements?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Kusadikika wrote:Is it the announcement of constituency results that is final or the signed document?
Lets say the results are completed at 2am in the morning and the Returning Officer in Kasipul Kabondo constituency due to a slip of the tongue announces to all gathered that Baba has garnered 120,239 votes. The tally that he has in his hand and which he signs shows that Baba actually got 102,239 votes.
So which is the official result, the announced result or the signed document?
Does IEBC do the final tally according to documentation or announcements? The signed doc has to be the official result. But worry not about the announcement or the signed document, but what structures does the RO have on the ground. Is there a secretariat? Or can there be centralized support for all Ro's as far as pork results are concerned?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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limanika wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Is it the announcement of constituency results that is final or the signed document?
Lets say the results are completed at 2am in the morning and the Returning Officer in Kasipul Kabondo constituency due to a slip of the tongue announces to all gathered that Baba has garnered 120,239 votes. The tally that he has in his hand and which he signs shows that Baba actually got 102,239 votes.
So which is the official result, the announced result or the signed document?
Does IEBC do the final tally according to documentation or announcements? The signed doc has to be the official result. But worry not about the announcement or the signed document, but what structures does the RO have on the ground. Is there a secretariat? Or can there be centralized support for all Ro's as far as pork results are concerned? That is a very valid concern @Limanika. After the counting votes most of the work involves tallying and verification of documents. This is very boring work and in my opinion requires a quiet atmosphere like an office with office equipment and personnel. In what facilities will Retuning Officers be housed to do their work but still allowing raia to be "Macho, ili kura yenu isiibiwe?"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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The RO's job is the easiest on earth. He shall receive an electronically submitted result from each of his POs.
He then waits for the actual form 34 from each PO. He adds up the figures, fills in form 36 and declares the constituency results.
All this must be done publicly and the results displayed to the public. IEBC has a budget for projectors.
In mathira constituency, the distance between the constituency tallying center and furthest polling center is 10KM. It means by 10am on 9th, this thing will be over.
These are permanent staff of the IEBC. Salary of around 200K.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Guess its question time.. Someone help explain the process of voting..I am just as clueless.. What does a RO return? Does he sit idle during the duration of voting and leave only after announcing the results? What does a Presiding officer preside over? Who is senior most between the 2? What other forms are used during tallying ? I know 16A.. the dreaded. If the RO and PO officer fail to agree what would be the next cause of action? What other officials can one expect to find at the polling station? Tuelimishane.. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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essyk wrote:Guess its question time..
Someone help explain the process of voting..I am just as clueless..
What does a RO return? Does he sit idle during the duration of voting and leave only after announcing the results?
An RO is the overall boss in a constituency. He dispatches election materials to his POs, receives them back and files a retuen on the results. He is an accounting officer.
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What does a Presiding officer preside over?
Polling station. He is a temporary staff in-charge of election materials and voting on polling day only. Afterwards he returns everything to the RO
Who is senior most between the 2?
RO ofcourse. He actually recruits the POs.
What other forms are used during tallying ? I know 16A.. the dreaded.
Simple form 34. 16A was mambo zamani
If the RO and PO officer fail to agree what would be the next cause of action?
How would that happen ? Their roles are complimentary. The PO counts the votes, fills in a form 34 forwards to RO, who then adds up all the form 34s from his constituency.
What other officials can one expect to find at the polling station?
PO, his deputy & 6 clerks. Rest are agents, observers and security.
Tuelimishane..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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Thanks @FRM2011 for your very concise and very informative contribution. You are exactly the kind of person I hoped would help all of us understand this process.
A few more follow up questions?
A Returning Officer first gets electronic results and then waits for the paper form 34 before he can announce the results. Is that right?
Does he get these electronic results as they add up, lets say every hour updates or only at the end of the counting?
Can he fill his form 36 from the electronic results he has already received?
Does the public get to view the electronic results received or only the official form 34 when it arrives?
What happens in case of disruption where a RO has received the electronic results but a commotion has erupted at polling station X and the physical form 34 has not arrived? Can he announce interim results pending verification later?
Thanks again for helping us understand this process.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Thanks kusads.My questions too. FRM2011 just sit here.We will serve you tea. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Kusadikika wrote:How are they chosen?
Are they permanent employees of IEBC or are they contracted only for the election period?
At what time point are they assigned constituencies? 3 months to elections? 1 month? One week?
Do they have to reside in the constituency that they are presiding over?
What is their pay?
Do politician and the public know who their Returning Officer is going to be? If so how long before the elections do they get to know?
These people will be the main focus of the coming elections so we may as well have a thread on them. In which hole have you been living in .... 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Some fundamentals on the Presiding Officer and Deputy Presiding Officer positions. Source Link:Quote:Presiding and Deputy Presiding Officers - 91,032 Posts Available
Duties and Responsibilities
Conduct training on the polling, counting and tallying process for the clerks.
Collect and ensure security of all election materials for the General election.
Oversee efficient and effective management of the election before, during and after of election.
Ensure the good conduct of elections in the polling station or tallying center as assigned.
Counting, tallying and announcement of provisional results in the polling station and sending the same through online transmission to the National and Constituency tallying centers.
Ensure safe custody all entrusted documents during the 2017 General Elections, document hand over of all election materials and equipment to Returning Officer after the General Election.
Requirements
Be a Kenyan citizen of high integrity, and be non-partisan
Be holders of Degree/ Diploma certificate from a recognized institution
Be computer literate,
Have effective communication and Good report writing skills
Ability to manage people, sensitive data and materials.
Have skills in data computation
Must be available for the entire period of the General Election
Must be residents in the constituency and Ward in which they apply for.
Presiding and Deputy Presiding Officers will be engaged for at least thirteen (13) days.
Presiding Officers will be paid Kshs. 2000/= per day
Deputy Presiding Officers will be paid Kshs. 1,800/= per day
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Kusadikika wrote:Do politician and the public know who their Returning Officer is going to be? If so how long before the elections do they get to know? As at 09 May 2017, the list of County Returning Officers was published By PATRICK LANG'AT in his Nation Newspaper article entitled: IEBC defends list of new returning officersSource Link:
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Kusadikika wrote:Thanks @FRM2011 for your very concise and very informative contribution. You are exactly the kind of person I hoped would help all of us understand this process.
A few more follow up questions?
A Returning Officer first gets electronic results and then waits for the paper form 34 before he can announce the results. Is that right?
Yes.
Does he get these electronic results as they add up, lets say every hour updates or only at the end of the counting?
Each polling station sends their results after counting. Th RO displays results as the results stream in. Like these are the interim results after 50/95 polling stations reporting.
Can he fill his form 36 from the electronic results he has already received?
Nope. Until he receives the hard copy of form 34 plus election materials. There are usually disputed votes which he has to arbitrate and make a decision.
Does the public get to view the electronic results received or only the official form 34 when it arrives?
The public at the constituency tallying center will be seeing the results as they come in. From the time the first station sends in theirs. This is a legal requirement to enhance transparency.
What happens in case of disruption where a RO has received the electronic results but a commotion has erupted at polling station X and the physical form 34 has not arrived? Can he announce interim results pending verification later?
Yes. The IEBC has an in-house mechanism of addressing that. But the electronic results have no legal backing. They cannot be included on form 36 without a form 34 to back them up
Thanks again for helping us understand this process.
Incidentally, the system for electronic transmission of results sends results to the constituency, county and national tallying centers simultaneously. This time IEBC has also procured an electronic document management system. They will use it to scan these critical forms even as they wait for the originals. Each of these forms is serialized. At the moment, the only possible room for shenanigans is ballot stuffing at the station. But the PO has to fill in a ballot paper reconciliation form. Remember each voter must be given 6 ballot papers. It is illegal to walk out with a ballot paper from the station. Bottom line there should not be a discrepancy between the total votes cast for each seat, and the number of people captured by the KIEMS system.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/15/2009 Posts: 362
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FRM2011 wrote:
Remember each voter must be given 6 ballot papers. It is illegal to walk out with a ballot paper from the station. Bottom line there should not be a discrepancy between the total votes cast for each seat, and the number of people captured by the KIEMS system.
Hapa the quality of trainging POs receive will be critical. Sema I drop the mp ballot into the presidential ballot box, if the PO counts this as a rejected vote instead of a foreign object, then kuta kuwa na a big discrepancy btw. presidential tallies and say mp tallies
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