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Uhuru versus Raila 2017
Wakanyugi
#901 Posted : Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:13:15 PM
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Joined: 7/3/2007
Posts: 1,635
limanika wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I guess the election is going to be much tighter than we all thought.



For this to happen someone needs to tell RAO that he has to stop playing defense. Waging war against institutions is a fools game and I bet the next poll will show this strategy has actually cost him.

RAO needs to project the credible posture of a President (of all Kenya), tell people what he will do for them new or differently from Jubilee. This constant whining and victim-hood will not do it.

He has the leadership pedigree and history to make a strong case for change; but for people to give up the 'devil they know' the alternative has to be compelling.

Totally agree. You can't bad mouth the kdf, iebc, judiciary, etc yet these are the same places you need lots of goodwill. And i a agree this particular election, more than any other, would have been walkover if he knew the right strategies, if he was honest


There you go.

Now the CJ has put a kibosh in RAO's plans to run to court yet again. He forgets that institutions are made up of Kenyans too and they are not going to destroy the country for him.

I hope he takes this as a sign to pivot away from this losing strategy. Surely he has more to offer Kenyans than a lose-lose proposition?
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
2012
#902 Posted : Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:17:22 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
Wakanyugi wrote:
limanika wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I guess the election is going to be much tighter than we all thought.



For this to happen someone needs to tell RAO that he has to stop playing defense. Waging war against institutions is a fools game and I bet the next poll will show this strategy has actually cost him.

RAO needs to project the credible posture of a President (of all Kenya), tell people what he will do for them new or differently from Jubilee. This constant whining and victim-hood will not do it.

He has the leadership pedigree and history to make a strong case for change; but for people to give up the 'devil they know' the alternative has to be compelling.

Totally agree. You can't bad mouth the kdf, iebc, judiciary, etc yet these are the same places you need lots of goodwill. And i a agree this particular election, more than any other, would have been walkover if he knew the right strategies, if he was honest


There you go.

Now the CJ has put a kibosh in RAO's plans to run to court yet again. He forgets that institutions are made up of Kenyans too and they are not going to destroy the country for him.

I hope he takes this as a sign to pivot away from this losing strategy. Surely he has more to offer Kenyans than a lose-lose proposition?


Si it is great that the Judiciary and IEBC are not run by 'these people'. The story would be very different now if they were...

BBI will solve it
:)
Wakanyugi
#903 Posted : Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:35:47 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 7/3/2007
Posts: 1,635
2012 wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
limanika wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I guess the election is going to be much tighter than we all thought.



For this to happen someone needs to tell RAO that he has to stop playing defense. Waging war against institutions is a fools game and I bet the next poll will show this strategy has actually cost him.

RAO needs to project the credible posture of a President (of all Kenya), tell people what he will do for them new or differently from Jubilee. This constant whining and victim-hood will not do it.

He has the leadership pedigree and history to make a strong case for change; but for people to give up the 'devil they know' the alternative has to be compelling.

Totally agree. You can't bad mouth the kdf, iebc, judiciary, etc yet these are the same places you need lots of goodwill. And i a agree this particular election, more than any other, would have been walkover if he knew the right strategies, if he was honest


There you go.

Now the CJ has put a kibosh in RAO's plans to run to court yet again. He forgets that institutions are made up of Kenyans too and they are not going to destroy the country for him.

I hope he takes this as a sign to pivot away from this losing strategy. Surely he has more to offer Kenyans than a lose-lose proposition?


Si it is great that the Judiciary and IEBC are not run by 'these people'. The story would be very different now if they were...


On the contrary I would suggest that 'these people' need to get over it and move on. Competitive politics is a wedge game and guess who is often the target of the wedge? The one with perceived power, be it political, economic or even demographic.

Does anyone remember Shikuku playing wedge politics with the Asians as target, something many of the present political generation supported and benefited from? Who still remembers Asians as the existential threat to the nation that we were told they were?

May I remind you that the most devastating wedge game ever played in Kenya was the fight for independence, led largely by 'these people'? How do you think the Bazungu felt?

I believe as the economic cake grows and benefits many more Kenyans, the value of 'these people" as a wedge will decline and then we shall look for another one.


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Shak
#904 Posted : Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:37:06 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/22/2009
Posts: 2,449
Location: Africa
2012 wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
limanika wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I guess the election is going to be much tighter than we all thought.



For this to happen someone needs to tell RAO that he has to stop playing defense. Waging war against institutions is a fools game and I bet the next poll will show this strategy has actually cost him.

RAO needs to project the credible posture of a President (of all Kenya), tell people what he will do for them new or differently from Jubilee. This constant whining and victim-hood will not do it.

He has the leadership pedigree and history to make a strong case for change; but for people to give up the 'devil they know' the alternative has to be compelling.

Totally agree. You can't bad mouth the kdf, iebc, judiciary, etc yet these are the same places you need lots of goodwill. And i a agree this particular election, more than any other, would have been walkover if he knew the right strategies, if he was honest


There you go.

Now the CJ has put a kibosh in RAO's plans to run to court yet again. He forgets that institutions are made up of Kenyans too and they are not going to destroy the country for him.

I hope he takes this as a sign to pivot away from this losing strategy. Surely he has more to offer Kenyans than a lose-lose proposition?


Si it is great that the Judiciary and IEBC are not run by 'these people'. The story would be very different now if they were...


CJ Maraga assures IEBC ballot printing will go ahead, elections must take place on Aug 8

"The CJ was categorical that the election must be held on August 8

Chief Justice David Maraga assured the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission that it will not interfere with the ballot printing process.
Maraga said the Judiciary sympathised with the tight timelines the Commission is working under and understood that so close to the election, the Judiciary cannot afford to hamper the printing of the ballot papers..."
Realtreaty
#905 Posted : Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:05:02 PM
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Joined: 8/16/2011
Posts: 2,389
Sad Sad
Is Raila the "SICK MAN OF KENYA?"
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
HE HAS DRAGGED KENYA FOR SO LONG!!!!
aemathenge
#906 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 1:28:30 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/18/2008
Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
Realtreaty wrote:
Sad Sad
Is Raila the "SICK MAN OF KENYA?"
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
HE HAS DRAGGED KENYA FOR SO LONG!!!!

Oh no he is not.

You are.

He is simply adept, adroit, and dexterous at exploiting your sickness in his own interests.

You can't condemn a man for doing that, can you?
hardwood
#907 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 9:50:32 AM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
Wakanyugi wrote:
2012 wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
limanika wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I guess the election is going to be much tighter than we all thought.



For this to happen someone needs to tell RAO that he has to stop playing defense. Waging war against institutions is a fools game and I bet the next poll will show this strategy has actually cost him.

RAO needs to project the credible posture of a President (of all Kenya), tell people what he will do for them new or differently from Jubilee. This constant whining and victim-hood will not do it.

He has the leadership pedigree and history to make a strong case for change; but for people to give up the 'devil they know' the alternative has to be compelling.

Totally agree. You can't bad mouth the kdf, iebc, judiciary, etc yet these are the same places you need lots of goodwill. And i a agree this particular election, more than any other, would have been walkover if he knew the right strategies, if he was honest


There you go.

Now the CJ has put a kibosh in RAO's plans to run to court yet again. He forgets that institutions are made up of Kenyans too and they are not going to destroy the country for him.

I hope he takes this as a sign to pivot away from this losing strategy. Surely he has more to offer Kenyans than a lose-lose proposition?


Si it is great that the Judiciary and IEBC are not run by 'these people'. The story would be very different now if they were...


On the contrary I would suggest that 'these people' need to get over it and move on. Competitive politics is a wedge game and guess who is often the target of the wedge? The one with perceived power, be it political, economic or even demographic.

Does anyone remember Shikuku playing wedge politics with the Asians as target, something many of the present political generation supported and benefited from? Who still remembers Asians as the existential threat to the nation that we were told they were?

May I remind you that the most devastating wedge game ever played in Kenya was the fight for independence, led largely by 'these people'? How do you think the Bazungu felt?

I believe as the economic cake grows and benefits many more Kenyans, the value of 'these people" as a wedge will decline and then we shall look for another one.




I thought devolution would have solved that "wedge" issue now that every kenyan in every county has his share of "meat".
Fyatu
#908 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 9:58:31 AM
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Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,822
Location: Nakuru
Someone at Jubilee house needs to reprimand Moses Kuria and Kimunya. They need to be told to go campaign in Kipipiri and Kiambu and not anywhere else in the country, otherwise they will cost Jubilee votes
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Wakanyugi
#909 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 10:24:25 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 7/3/2007
Posts: 1,635
hardwood wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
2012 wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
limanika wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I guess the election is going to be much tighter than we all thought.



For this to happen someone needs to tell RAO that he has to stop playing defense. Waging war against institutions is a fools game and I bet the next poll will show this strategy has actually cost him.

RAO needs to project the credible posture of a President (of all Kenya), tell people what he will do for them new or differently from Jubilee. This constant whining and victim-hood will not do it.

He has the leadership pedigree and history to make a strong case for change; but for people to give up the 'devil they know' the alternative has to be compelling.

Totally agree. You can't bad mouth the kdf, iebc, judiciary, etc yet these are the same places you need lots of goodwill. And i a agree this particular election, more than any other, would have been walkover if he knew the right strategies, if he was honest


There you go.

Now the CJ has put a kibosh in RAO's plans to run to court yet again. He forgets that institutions are made up of Kenyans too and they are not going to destroy the country for him.

I hope he takes this as a sign to pivot away from this losing strategy. Surely he has more to offer Kenyans than a lose-lose proposition?


Si it is great that the Judiciary and IEBC are not run by 'these people'. The story would be very different now if they were...


On the contrary I would suggest that 'these people' need to get over it and move on. Competitive politics is a wedge game and guess who is often the target of the wedge? The one with perceived power, be it political, economic or even demographic.

Does anyone remember Shikuku playing wedge politics with the Asians as target, something many of the present political generation supported and benefited from? Who still remembers Asians as the existential threat to the nation that we were told they were?

May I remind you that the most devastating wedge game ever played in Kenya was the fight for independence, led largely by 'these people'? How do you think the Bazungu felt?

I believe as the economic cake grows and benefits many more Kenyans, the value of 'these people" as a wedge will decline and then we shall look for another one.




I thought devolution would have solved that "wedge" issue now that every kenyan in every county has his share of "meat".


The wedge issue is not likely to end, seeing as it is mostly prompted either by envy, which fuels the sense of grievance against those who 'have,' or cold political calculation. No one wins power by bringing people together - don't believe that Uhuru hype. We shall simply replace one wedge for another, as we always have.

But there is an inherited political wedge phenomenon that is generational and is likely to end with this election, or the next one at most.

The new constitution created a group of political orphans who, owing to ego or sense of entitlement, can not compete for power at any but the national level. Their noise has kept many Kenyans attention focused on a neutered Presidency as the ultimate prize, even as it is increasingly clear that if you want power and resources, with less scrutiny to boot, the job to fight for is Governor.

Some of the orphans, like Karua and PK, have seen the light and swallowed their pride. Others like Baba, Mudavadi and Kalonzo have essentially painted themselves into a political corner, mostly owing to their own pride. These fellows are at least serving as an important lesson for a new crop of aspiring leaders.

I am willing to bet that most future Presidents of Kenya (if not all) will be past Governors and the Presidency will come to be seen as a retirement perk - a reward for good work - a position with much ceremony but little substance. Then the wedge will truly be devolved.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
aemathenge
#910 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 11:38:51 AM
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Joined: 10/18/2008
Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
Wakanyugi wrote:
The wedge issue is not likely to end, seeing as it is mostly prompted either by envy, which fuels the sense of grievance against those who 'have,' or cold political calculation. No one wins power by bringing people together - don't believe that Uhuru hype. We shall simply replace one wedge for another, as we always have.

But there is an inherited political wedge phenomenon that is generational and is likely to end with this election, or the next one at most.

The new constitution created a group of political orphans who, owing to ego or sense of entitlement, can not compete for power at any but the national level. Their noise has kept many Kenyans attention focused on a neutered Presidency as the ultimate prize, even as it is increasingly clear that if you want power and resources, with less scrutiny to boot, the job to fight for is Governor.

Some of the orphans, like Karua and PK, have seen the light and swallowed their pride. Others like Baba, Mudavadi and Kalonzo have essentially painted themselves into a political corner, mostly owing to their own pride. These fellows are at least serving as an important lesson for a new crop of aspiring leaders.

I am willing to bet that most future Presidents of Kenya (if not all) will be past Governors and the Presidency will come to be seen as a retirement perk - a reward for good work - a position with much ceremony but little substance. Then the wedge will truly be devolved.


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