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SGR Progress thus far
hardwood
#861 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:27:54 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
hardwood wrote:
SGR fully booked until next week. They should introduce another train.

http://www.the-star.co.k...d-celebrations_c1583684


@hardwood @impunity,why can't these trains make more than 1 trip per day.....Eg morning, afternoon and evening?


Yep. Thats what they should do. Ikifika 1.30pm it makes return trip at 3pm to reach destination at 7.30pm. Or introduce the inter-county trains that will still get one to mbs or nbi.
kayhara
#862 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:11:12 PM
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From Atanas maina,on Business Daily youtube the 9am express tran remains.
From July 1st the county train leaves Mombasa and Nairobi at 8am, stopping at each Station and getting to Nairobi and Mombasa at 1.30 pm, then the same train leaves Nairobi and Mombasa at 3pm as an express train getting to Mombasa and Nairobi at 7.50pm
To Each His Own
mkeiy
#863 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:01:25 PM
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Posts: 851
Location: Nairobi
Swenani wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Some wonder why Mwafrika is behind in everything, it's some kind of reasoning I see here. These people opposing infrastructure expansion, go out there, visit the world we are eons behind.

Heck even if the SGR is double the cost, can you think outside the box on the pros, time saved, reduced congestion, quick flow of goods & services, roads damage, amount of cargo one round of train will transport etc etc. Nini mbaya na watu?? Lets review 1 Yr later and see. I recall people made noise on Thika Highway, these days wamenyamaza!




Heck, business is about profits and the margins are highest using road cargo for now, ceteris paribus.

At the moment, trucking on the road is cheaper & convenient.

I am wondering people who are not direct consumers of this SGR Cargo, are lecturing others.


@harrydre. As it is;
It's not saving time (congestion at ICD)& delays at Terminal 2 in Msa. Hence no such quick flow of goods.
It's expensive.

These are the ONLY major factors a consumer (exporter or importer) will consider. Once they are fixed, we won't have reason to use road. I will benefit directly. Why would I oppose such a thing?

Stuff like road congestion, amount of cargo moved per trip etc, those are for the masses.
Masses do not transport cargo, individuals and businesses do.
Fortunately, in business,it's more about business sense, unlike in our politics were other factors reign supreme.

At the moment,
Only @Essyk is seeing it as a consumer. She's going to try transporting using SGR Cargo, I am sticking to the road.
Acheni siaza za Jubilee/Nasa, hii ni Biashara;
@harrydre @Muchknow @Murchr @hardwood, what are you doing about it? Mwatumia SGR Cargo ama la?




SGR Cargo may not be cheaper, agents say!





Quote:
It will cost Sh50,000 to ferry a 20-foot container from the port to the Nairobi Inland Container Depot (ICD), according to Kenya Railways.
Truckers charge between Sh60,000 and Sh80,000 to ferry the same container from the port to Nairobi, depending on the weight and type of cargo.
“We have been paying the same rate to transport a container via Rift Valley Railways and really, if you look at other costs before goods are delivered at your door step, it might necessarily not be cheaper,” said William Ojonyo, the Kenya International Freight and Warehousing Association (Kifwa) chairman elect


This is a very pedestrian argument no wonder very many truckers are making losses.

Paying 100 shillings to travel in 3 days and paying 100 shillings to travel in 1 day doesn't have the same cost implication. One is definitely more expensive than the other even though the travel cost portion seems to be the same.

Will DHL, Bollore, Fedex among other logistics and cargo handling firms prefer road transport to SGR?

Any rational importer or business man will rather spend 10K more to have the cargo in 1-3 days rather than spend 10K less to have the cargo in 5-10 days. That is business sense!


@Swenani.
With all due respect, stick to matters 'fish & airport'.
You got better luck there.

I am a businessman & a direct consumer of trucking from Mombasa to Nairobi.
If you have your 40ft container loaded in the evening in Mombasa, less than 16 hours (between 4am & 10am), you will have it at your doorstep,in Nairobi.
SGR would cost give or take 100k+20k=110k. Add that to the fact that you have 'waiting time'(not all consignments are bound for Nairobi's ICD & some vessels will be discharging very few containers) for it to be loaded on the wagons in Mombasa, then clearing time once it gets to Nairobi's ICD.

Hiyo container itachukua 5-10 days on road kwani inatoka Timbuktu?

About Bollore,DHL,Fedex etc, give them a call & find out how much it will cost you to transport the same 40ft container from Mombasa. There's a reason why they serve 'special' clients only.
Swenani
#864 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:11:41 PM
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Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
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kayhara wrote:
From Atanas maina,on Business Daily youtube the 9am express tran remains.
From July 1st the county train leaves Mombasa and Nairobi at 8am, stopping at each Station and getting to Nairobi and Mombasa at 1.30 pm, then the same train leaves Nairobi and Mombasa at 3pm as an express train getting to Mombasa and Nairobi at 7.50pm


Why can't they just have two trains, an express one and the other which makes stops to every station
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
2012
#865 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:19:04 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
Swenani wrote:
kayhara wrote:
From Atanas maina,on Business Daily youtube the 9am express tran remains.
From July 1st the county train leaves Mombasa and Nairobi at 8am, stopping at each Station and getting to Nairobi and Mombasa at 1.30 pm, then the same train leaves Nairobi and Mombasa at 3pm as an express train getting to Mombasa and Nairobi at 7.50pm


Why can't they just have two trains, an express one and the other which makes stops to every station


That's exactly what they have. What I'm wondering is, why don't they operate at night? Some travelers are not traveling for sightseeing.

BBI will solve it
:)
Swenani
#866 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:51:57 PM
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Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
Location: Vacuum
2012 wrote:
Swenani wrote:
kayhara wrote:
From Atanas maina,on Business Daily youtube the 9am express tran remains.
From July 1st the county train leaves Mombasa and Nairobi at 8am, stopping at each Station and getting to Nairobi and Mombasa at 1.30 pm, then the same train leaves Nairobi and Mombasa at 3pm as an express train getting to Mombasa and Nairobi at 7.50pm


Why can't they just have two trains, an express one and the other which makes stops to every station


That's exactly what they have. What I'm wondering is, why don't they operate at night? Some travelers are not traveling for sightseeing.



I meant to have an express train and a stop over train both in the evening and morning
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
kayhara
#867 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:51:01 PM
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Joined: 5/5/2011
Posts: 1,059
Swenani wrote:
2012 wrote:
Swenani wrote:
kayhara wrote:
From Atanas maina,on Business Daily youtube the 9am express tran remains.
From July 1st the county train leaves Mombasa and Nairobi at 8am, stopping at each Station and getting to Nairobi and Mombasa at 1.30 pm, then the same train leaves Nairobi and Mombasa at 3pm as an express train getting to Mombasa and Nairobi at 7.50pm


Why can't they just have two trains, an express one and the other which makes stops to every station


That's exactly what they have. What I'm wondering is, why don't they operate at night? Some travelers are not traveling for sightseeing.



I meant to have an express train and a stop over train both in the evening and morning

Doesn't it mean that they now have two express trains, 9am and 3pm
And a county train at 8am? That's a choice of 3 trains each way.
To Each His Own
freiks
#868 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 4:14:49 PM
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Joined: 6/8/2010
Posts: 1,734
kayhara wrote:
Swenani wrote:
2012 wrote:
Swenani wrote:
kayhara wrote:
From Atanas maina,on Business Daily youtube the 9am express tran remains.
From July 1st the county train leaves Mombasa and Nairobi at 8am, stopping at each Station and getting to Nairobi and Mombasa at 1.30 pm, then the same train leaves Nairobi and Mombasa at 3pm as an express train getting to Mombasa and Nairobi at 7.50pm


Why can't they just have two trains, an express one and the other which makes stops to every station


That's exactly what they have. What I'm wondering is, why don't they operate at night? Some travelers are not traveling for sightseeing.



I meant to have an express train and a stop over train both in the evening and morning

Doesn't it mean that they now have two express trains, 9am and 3pm
And a county train at 8am? That's a choice of 3 trains each way.


Mombasa raha and crew ni shinda tu sasa
Life is an endless adventure
Swenani
#869 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 5:21:44 PM
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Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
Location: Vacuum
mkeiy wrote:
Swenani wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Some wonder why Mwafrika is behind in everything, it's some kind of reasoning I see here. These people opposing infrastructure expansion, go out there, visit the world we are eons behind.

Heck even if the SGR is double the cost, can you think outside the box on the pros, time saved, reduced congestion, quick flow of goods & services, roads damage, amount of cargo one round of train will transport etc etc. Nini mbaya na watu?? Lets review 1 Yr later and see. I recall people made noise on Thika Highway, these days wamenyamaza!




Heck, business is about profits and the margins are highest using road cargo for now, ceteris paribus.

At the moment, trucking on the road is cheaper & convenient.

I am wondering people who are not direct consumers of this SGR Cargo, are lecturing others.


@harrydre. As it is;
It's not saving time (congestion at ICD)& delays at Terminal 2 in Msa. Hence no such quick flow of goods.
It's expensive.

These are the ONLY major factors a consumer (exporter or importer) will consider. Once they are fixed, we won't have reason to use road. I will benefit directly. Why would I oppose such a thing?

Stuff like road congestion, amount of cargo moved per trip etc, those are for the masses.
Masses do not transport cargo, individuals and businesses do.
Fortunately, in business,it's more about business sense, unlike in our politics were other factors reign supreme.

At the moment,
Only @Essyk is seeing it as a consumer. She's going to try transporting using SGR Cargo, I am sticking to the road.
Acheni siaza za Jubilee/Nasa, hii ni Biashara;
@harrydre @Muchknow @Murchr @hardwood, what are you doing about it? Mwatumia SGR Cargo ama la?




SGR Cargo may not be cheaper, agents say!





Quote:
It will cost Sh50,000 to ferry a 20-foot container from the port to the Nairobi Inland Container Depot (ICD), according to Kenya Railways.
Truckers charge between Sh60,000 and Sh80,000 to ferry the same container from the port to Nairobi, depending on the weight and type of cargo.
“We have been paying the same rate to transport a container via Rift Valley Railways and really, if you look at other costs before goods are delivered at your door step, it might necessarily not be cheaper,” said William Ojonyo, the Kenya International Freight and Warehousing Association (Kifwa) chairman elect


This is a very pedestrian argument no wonder very many truckers are making losses.

Paying 100 shillings to travel in 3 days and paying 100 shillings to travel in 1 day doesn't have the same cost implication. One is definitely more expensive than the other even though the travel cost portion seems to be the same.

Will DHL, Bollore, Fedex among other logistics and cargo handling firms prefer road transport to SGR?

Any rational importer or business man will rather spend 10K more to have the cargo in 1-3 days rather than spend 10K less to have the cargo in 5-10 days. That is business sense!


@Swenani.
With all due respect, stick to matters 'fish & airport'.
You got better luck there.

I am a businessman & a direct consumer of trucking from Mombasa to Nairobi.
If you have your 40ft container loaded in the evening in Mombasa, less than 16 hours (between 4am & 10am), you will have it at your doorstep,in Nairobi.
SGR would cost give or take 100k+20k=110k. Add that to the fact that you have 'waiting time'(not all consignments are bound for Nairobi's ICD & some vessels will be discharging very few containers) for it to be loaded on the wagons in Mombasa, then clearing time once it gets to Nairobi's ICD.

Hiyo container itachukua 5-10 days on road kwani inatoka Timbuktu?

About Bollore,DHL,Fedex etc, give them a call & find out how much it will cost you to transport the same 40ft container from Mombasa. There's a reason why they serve 'special' clients only.



Your argument is no longer pedestrian but something else.

1. My understanding is that clearing at the ICD will be similar to the clearing procedure at the port of MSA or the CFS hence the clearing time at either the port or ICD is a non factor-correct me if i'm wrong
2. That calculation of 16 hrs is too optimistic- optimistic scenerios are never considered in any business decision. For SGR, the most likely travel time will be 8 hrs or we can even take your optimistic time to be the SGR pessimistic time.Driving to Mombasa in a private car takes between 7-8hrs in a normal situation, how on earth will a truck which struggles to do 50KM take 16 hrs in a normal day
3. SGR will lead to a reduction in storage costs since you can easily repackage and consolidate cargo at Nairobi ICD during the free storage window period for redistribution to various parts of the country but for trucks, it means either repacking in Mombasa(which might lead to extra transport costs) or repacking in Nairobi before distribution leading to additional warehousing costs.
4. Have you factored in the delays in truck offloading at Nairobi due to the which might lead to additional transport or warehousing costs? With SGR ICD, you do not have to worry about the delay in offloading since you can store your goods at the ICD for free as your book your cargo for offloading.How many free days to truckers provide for offloading once your cargo arrives at NBO?
5. On the delays of offloading due to different cargo destination locations, do you know why 1,620 wagons were ordered for? It does't mean the train has to wait cargo destined to the SGR station to be offloaded before proceeding to the ICD, It can easily detach the wagons at the SGR station and proceed to the ICD with the wagons destined to ICD.
6. Will Bollore, Fedex, DHL etc hire truckers(since most truckers depend on this firms) for their transport needs between MSA and NBI or will they use SGR?

Trucking only makes business sense to truckers and small scale traders who import japanase vehicle even the mitumba traders will opt for SGR since 1 tonne of cargo to Nairobi will costs 32K.
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Gathige
#870 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 5:38:57 PM
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Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,242
kayhara wrote:
From Atanas maina,on Business Daily youtube the 9am express tran remains.
From July 1st the county train leaves Mombasa and Nairobi at 8am, stopping at each Station and getting to Nairobi and Mombasa at 1.30 pm, then the same train leaves Nairobi and Mombasa at 3pm as an express train getting to Mombasa and Nairobi at 7.50pm



That's good news. Will paying online guarantee one a seat or one has to go to the station to confirm availability of seats after paying? Hapo Sielewi

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