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Lolest! wrote:FRM2011 wrote:newfarer wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
What Raila said in Kiajiado.
Verbatim - kiswahili
"Jamii ya masai wanauza shamba sababu ya ufukara, gharama ya maisha iko juu, sasa mtu anatoka huko kwao anakuja kununua shamba, msiuze shamba. NASA ikishukua usukani tutabadilisha hiyo. Serikali yetu itamaliza umaskini ili msilazimike kuuza."
English translation
Masai comuunity is selling land because of poverty. The cost of living is high people are coming from other places to come and buy your land. Do not sell to them. If NASA takes over leadership, we will change that. We will address poverty so you don't have to sell.
What Jubilants/kameme fm heard.
Raila odinga has asked non-locals to leave kajiado.
if true,then what's inciting on this? Check the clip online. Its available. @FRM2011 has carefully edited Raila's words. Just like some sections of the media If Raila has just advised Kajiado people against selling land nobody would have an issue. It's the middle part that has been carefully edited out that is the problem. But he also said 'Wanavamia wanavamia...kwa nini wasikae kwao mbona wanakuja kwako(kwenu)...si wakae kwao? Si wakae kwao?' Nobody would be happy to be called a mvamizi(intruder, invader) "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote:FRM2011 wrote:newfarer wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
What Raila said in Kiajiado.
Verbatim - kiswahili
"Jamii ya masai wanauza shamba sababu ya ufukara, gharama ya maisha iko juu, sasa mtu anatoka huko kwao anakuja kununua shamba, msiuze shamba. NASA ikishukua usukani tutabadilisha hiyo. Serikali yetu itamaliza umaskini ili msilazimike kuuza."
English translation
Masai comuunity is selling land because of poverty. The cost of living is high people are coming from other places to come and buy your land. Do not sell to them. If NASA takes over leadership, we will change that. We will address poverty so you don't have to sell.
What Jubilants/kameme fm heard.
Raila odinga has asked non-locals to leave kajiado.
if true,then what's inciting on this? Check the clip online. Its available. @FRM2011 has carefully edited Raila's words. Just like some sections of the media If Raila has just advised Kajiado people against selling land nobody would have an issue. It's the middle part that has been carefully edited out that is the problem. But he also said 'Wanavamia wanavamia...kwa nini wasikae kwao mbona wanakuja kwako(kwenu)...si wakae kwao? Si wakae kwao?' Nobody would be happy to be called a mvamizi(intruder, invader) The video on this link starts earlier than that one https://m.facebook.com/s...17758&ref=bookmarks
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,389
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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http://www.the-star.co.k...s-after-voting_c1582708
Habari ndiyo hiyo. Rao, in his own words, 'has never lost an election'...the results are always stolen from him. If history is anything to go by, if history indeed repeats itself, then no matter the result (especially with pollstars predicting a close outcome) he will not concede defeat on 9/8/17. Indeed, he will take the battle a notch higher this time...his almost real time tallying center will have given him the results say 5 days b4 IEBC's snail pace tallying system can complete verification of the results...will he just be sitting on his results like a lame duck all this time? and you expect his own results to show he lost????
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,582
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limanika wrote:http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/06/20/raila-tallying-centre-to-get-results-8-hrs-after-voting_c1582708
Habari ndiyo hiyo. Rao, in his own words, 'has never lost an election'...the results are always stolen from him. If history is anything to go by, if history indeed repeats itself, then no matter the result (especially with pollstars predicting a close outcome) he will not concede defeat on 9/8/17. Indeed, he will take the battle a notch higher this time...his almost real time tallying center will have given him the results say 5 days b4 IEBC's snail pace tallying system can complete verification of the results...will he just be sitting on his results like a lame duck all this time? and you expect his own results to show he lost???? Jubilee must NOT TRUST chebukati team, they could be in a deal, JP shoul open a better and more advanced vote tallying center than Raira's and also begin raising questions about the integrity of IEBC team like NASWA is doing and insist on a new team with a "kamau" as boss because "we" have always yielded to the demand that NO KAMAU, or gema can be boss, yet oswago, chebukati e.t.c have been from ODM zones, this is a MUST for JP to avoid chaos and get a clean win. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Much Know wrote:limanika wrote:http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/06/20/raila-tallying-centre-to-get-results-8-hrs-after-voting_c1582708
Habari ndiyo hiyo. Rao, in his own words, 'has never lost an election'...the results are always stolen from him. If history is anything to go by, if history indeed repeats itself, then no matter the result (especially with pollstars predicting a close outcome) he will not concede defeat on 9/8/17. Indeed, he will take the battle a notch higher this time...his almost real time tallying center will have given him the results say 5 days b4 IEBC's snail pace tallying system can complete verification of the results...will he just be sitting on his results like a lame duck all this time? and you expect his own results to show he lost???? Jubilee must NOT TRUST chebukati team, they could be in a deal, JP shoul open a better and more advanced vote tallying center than Raira's and also begin raising questions about the integrity of IEBC team like NASWA is doing and insist on a new team with a "kamau" as boss because "we" have always yielded to the demand that NO KAMAU, or gema can be boss, yet oswago, chebukati e.t.c have been from ODM zones, this is a MUST for JP to avoid chaos and get a clean win. Let's have confidence that IEBC will strive to do a clean job. The problem is that someone will discredit the result even if he is the IEBC boss himself The only way out for jubilee? 1) Jubilee to ensure massive turn-out in their zones - more than 2013. an uphill task if you ask me 2) Govt or jubilee, whoever, someone, should work extra hard to prevent violence (and thus rigging) on voting day in naswa zones...But it's going to be an almost uphill task..naswa have some 2007 experience which they may want to perfect. Indeed the so called tallying centre has all the intentions of showing highest turn out possible in naswa zones written all over it... Someone check..if turn out in naswa zones increases by only 10% and jubilee drops by say 5%, what is the result?
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2009 Posts: 201
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I beg to differ, NASA is not interested in winning elections n this is demonstrated by their campaign strategies they want to be in Govt which is easier than winning elections. N that is why they keep saying they wont accept rigged elections.What makes u think its easier to rig in NASA strong holds than in jubilee strong holds.Who has the machinery to rig?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,582
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limanika wrote:Much Know wrote:limanika wrote:http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/06/20/raila-tallying-centre-to-get-results-8-hrs-after-voting_c1582708
Habari ndiyo hiyo. Rao, in his own words, 'has never lost an election'...the results are always stolen from him. If history is anything to go by, if history indeed repeats itself, then no matter the result (especially with pollstars predicting a close outcome) he will not concede defeat on 9/8/17. Indeed, he will take the battle a notch higher this time...his almost real time tallying center will have given him the results say 5 days b4 IEBC's snail pace tallying system can complete verification of the results...will he just be sitting on his results like a lame duck all this time? and you expect his own results to show he lost???? Jubilee must NOT TRUST chebukati team, they could be in a deal, JP shoul open a better and more advanced vote tallying center than Raira's and also begin raising questions about the integrity of IEBC team like NASWA is doing and insist on a new team with a "kamau" as boss because "we" have always yielded to the demand that NO KAMAU, or gema can be boss, yet oswago, chebukati e.t.c have been from ODM zones, this is a MUST for JP to avoid chaos and get a clean win. Let's have confidence that IEBC will strive to do a clean job. The problem is that someone will discredit the result even if he is the IEBC boss himself The only way out for jubilee? 1) Jubilee to ensure massive turn-out in their zones - more than 2013. an uphill task if you ask me 2) Govt or jubilee, whoever, someone, should work extra hard to prevent violence (and thus rigging) on voting day in naswa zones...But it's going to be an almost uphill task..naswa have some 2007 experience which they may want to perfect. Indeed the so called tallying centre has all the intentions of showing highest turn out possible in naswa zones written all over it... Someone check..if turn out in naswa zones increases by only 10% and jubilee drops by say 5%, what is the result? Don't agree, JP MUST declare the tender for ballot papers "irregular" and call for parliament to recruit an emergency new IEBC line-up as Raila is requesting, however they must make sure other Kenyans like Njoroge, Chirchir, Mugambi e.t.c feature in the line up, they are Kenyans too, if why should Raira protest and he is complaining about IEBC, it is the best deal for everyone, even his paarl of south africa can be given the ballot contract to start work immediately!!! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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gmg wrote:I beg to differ, NASA is not interested in winning elections n this is demonstrated by their campaign strategies they want to be in Govt which is easier than winning elections. N that is why they keep saying they wont accept rigged elections.What makes u think its easier to rig in NASA strong holds than in jubilee strong holds.Who has the machinery to rig? Jubilee shouldn't think of rigging becoz if there's just one iota of it, Rao will sleep, camp, do somersaults in the streets till the bitter end if there will be one... And...naswa could manufacture violence right, left and centre in their zones ...locking out jubilee agents in these zones..the opposite is true in jubilee zones..meaning..forget rigging in jubilee zones this time round unless you want to beckon trouble. Picture a situation where naswa is able to monitor jubilee zones and jubilee cant monitor naswa zones, and we're beginning to talk...
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2009 Posts: 201
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Only violence in RV can stop Kenya, n mark my words violence in Kibera, mathare, ndadora and Kisumu cannot simamisha kenya. Reasons violence in RV takes a tribal angle and results in displacement of persons and deaths. Violence in the other areas I mentioned will be easily contained.Do u think NASA can manage to recruit 21000*5 youths to man all polling stations if they failed miserably in their party nominations?
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