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Looking for a car, to import or not to
Mbalatya
#1 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 9:18:25 AM
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Hi Wazuerians?

I have heard a number of people talk of importing used cars from Japan at slightly lower costs than the local markets can offer. Does any of us here have experience or understand the risks involved in the whole process? do the price differences matchup to the risks? kindly share
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chepkel
#2 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 11:52:24 AM
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i have also been wondering about this. The bad thing is that many car dealerships here for 2nd hand cars are really controversial. Someone please advice on cost differences and the pros and cons of either methds
Nobby
#3 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 3:12:46 PM
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You will save anying from 50K to more that 100K coz thats what the dealers here will load as profit, if you need to be sure whic japanese dealers you are dealing with or you may be conned!You also need to know the importation/KRA cost before hand to avoid paying too much.I currently have a premio and a probox bieng cleared at the ports rite now.

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Mbalatya
#4 Posted : Saturday, April 10, 2010 4:00:45 PM
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Nobby, could u be kind enough to share information on the reliable car dealers your are importing from, I gave my number to some guys from IBC Japan and they have been calling me so hard till I started suspecting them. The rate at which they are pushing is suspect. could you kindly advise (from your experience) on the reliable dealers and also the procedures.
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Tmase
#5 Posted : Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:30:13 PM
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Hi Mbalatya,Wazuans,

IBC japan are quite aggressive it can be scary.they are as prompt in replying emails for potential offers made online.I know people who have imported cars from IBC though.
it saves you 100k-150k to import from japan. sometimes even upto 200k. depending on car. always do a background search on a new company- get info from japan embassy etc.
companies i can vouch for coz have used them before www.kobemotors.com, deal with a guy called Fahmi. phone no on website. Autoassista.com- they only ask for 10 percent off CIF cost till car gets to mombasa then you pay the balance.
john p
#6 Posted : Sunday, April 11, 2010 1:48:04 PM
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@Mbalatya: True, u could save Ksh 50k-100k by importing.Because you are a virgin in this business you may loose Ksh 100k-200k thru self importation.
my advise would be you go around a few yards and get quotes on the car model u r interested in,then check the reasonableness of the quotes via WAZUA and BUY.
Plus, wazuerians can help you understand mechanics of not buying a stolen/overage vehicle
theslim
#7 Posted : Monday, April 12, 2010 7:21:22 AM
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john P, no offence, bt being a virgin doesnt mean u gonna lose anything.
I was a virgin last year(!) b4 inporting and i ddnt lose any. Mbalatya, if u use one of the reputable japanese companies, its jus smooth. The only issue is to get a good clearing agent once the car lands in mombasa. Trust me, importing for yourself, u'll save alot. Am nt against cars in the yards, but they all got their milleage messed up big time, u buy a machine thinking its clocked 45k kumbe the thing has 200k on it!
the early worm is eaten by the early bird
Mkimwa
#8 Posted : Monday, April 12, 2010 10:35:50 AM
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Importing from Japan is always a plus, you get to see the original specs of the car, without tampering by the local dealers.

However, when you import, know that you will spend at least 20K in accessories, e.g. alarm, locknuts, tyres(maybe), service, radio, identity.. e.t.c.

I just dont trust these local dealers, one person showed me a car with mileage 46K, i checked the mileage according to JEVIC sticker online. Showed that mileage when car was exported from Japan was 220K. plus they tamper with parts. I think its easier to get from someone who imported for own use, and is selling for various purposes.
theslim
#9 Posted : Monday, April 12, 2010 11:43:05 AM
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mkimwa yu sahihi..
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Nobby
#10 Posted : Monday, April 12, 2010 12:23:48 PM
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There are many good ones IBC,Kobe, Nikkyo,Jans trading etc
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JkMwatha
#11 Posted : Monday, April 12, 2010 3:10:54 PM
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Mileage errors

All cars imported into Kenya.... whether from the Middle Near or Far East... have some paperwork. eg Jevic Cert/service history or some importation documention (apart from the local logbook).

Why, suddenly, when the car gets to a 'Yard' the paperwork misteriously vanishes?

When you look at a vehicle for sale, ask for the original paperwork. If it is not available... then you know why?

In any case there's a few things you can check on the car.
-A shiny (extra smooth) steering wheel.
-Worn pedal rubbers/driver’s seat/carpet.
Sky # 7
#12 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 6:58:40 AM
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@ theslim et all. Thanks for the info availed. This is my first time importing a unit.ETA @ Mombasa is early next week; Kindly how do you get a smart clearing agent. What is there to look for?
Any reccomendations? What are the experiences with them? Lets share.
theslim
#13 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 9:43:38 AM
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mr #7:
My importing process was bila hustle until the car landed in mombasa.
Now thats wea real shit happens, and there is nothing you can do about it. I picked the wrong clearing agent, actually a guy frm home,he conned me big time, everyday calling me with excuses, send money for this and that, till I had to travel to coast and literally 'pull' the car out of his hands!
I dont know how and wea to get the best clearing agent. But i guess a good bet would be to work with established big companies. But their charges are abit high, actually very high!
the early worm is eaten by the early bird
wairegi
#14 Posted : Saturday, April 17, 2010 6:49:52 AM
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@Sky

A freind is also expecting hers by next week. around 22nd. A guy called Ken has handled her paperwork so well. Talk to him @ 0722827412.
Nobby
#15 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2010 9:42:50 AM
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You do not need to go to the big clearing agents, first you can confirm if the agent is licenced from a list at the KRA website.There are honest ones but there are crooks too.Once you recieve your documents from the supplier, you will need to apply for an IDF at least 7 days before ship arrival, when the shipping company avails the manifest you can make an import enrty usis the vehicle CRSP value.If this is approved my KRA, you will be given the amount of duty payable.Do not pay to the agent bur write a bankers direct to the commissioner.The other charges include port, agency and shipping.

I have been dealing with fourseas cargo Ltd 1st Flr Libery Hse Msa Road.Thery are efficient ang very honest.They pay everything except Import duty then you refund after the vehicle is out.I can recomend them to you. Tel 020-821187
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Chaka
#16 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2010 12:05:19 PM
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@Nobby,
How much is the agency fee for fourseas cargo?
Nobby
#17 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20:32 PM
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12K plus 1K for IDF precessing
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jamplu
#18 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2010 1:31:38 PM
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@Mbalatya et al:
if you importing a car for the first time be careful who you dealing with in japan some of the guyz there are quite cheeky. Your cash might just vanish.
Like wise in Kenya most of the cars you see in bazaars have their mileage changed. it takes less than 10 minutes to alter car mileage!!
so the best thing is to ask for the original japanese inspection certificate.
Something else guyz are not keen on is the engine no, chassis no etc and the log book most of these cars have engines swapped in godowns in nairobi and mombasa so watch out and know what you getting yourself into.
Weigh your options. if you've not got a dealer yet i can hook you up with someone is japan whom my friends and i buy from. if you want a car that's in kenya let me know too.
jamplu
#19 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2010 1:36:50 PM
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theslim wrote:
mr #7:
My importing process was bila hustle until the car landed in mombasa.
Now thats wea real shit happens, and there is nothing you can do about it. I picked the wrong clearing agent, actually a guy frm home,he conned me big time, everyday calling me with excuses, send money for this and that, till I had to travel to coast and literally 'pull' the car out of his hands!
I dont know how and wea to get the best clearing agent. But i guess a good bet would be to work with established big companies. But their charges are abit high, actually very high!




The best thing to do is know the breakdown of what you expected to pay. FYI never give the Car duty in cash to the clearing agent. Write a Bankers Cheque to Customs Services Department-Your name.
The rest of the payable amount should not exceed 50K.
The breakdown should be something close to this:

duty =Payable only to Customs Services in bankers cheque :
Inquire with KRA if you want to be 100% sure how much you supposed to pay

shipping = 6,000
idf = 5,000
idf processin misc =1,000
portcharges= 17,000
agency =10,000
insurance=1,000
misc plate =2,000
general misc =2,000
centerbolt
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:52:20 AM
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Nobby wrote:
You do not need to go to the big clearing agents, first you can confirm if the agent is licenced from a list at the KRA website.There are honest ones but there are crooks too.Once you recieve your documents from the supplier, you will need to apply for an IDF at least 7 days before ship arrival, when the shipping company avails the manifest you can make an import enrty usis the vehicle CRSP value.If this is approved my KRA, you will be given the amount of duty payable.Do not pay to the agent bur write a bankers direct to the commissioner.The other charges include port, agency and shipping.

I have been dealing with fourseas cargo Ltd 1st Flr Libery Hse Msa Road.Thery are efficient ang very honest.They pay everything except Import duty then you refund after the vehicle is out.I can recomend them to you. Tel 020-821187


Nobby, I took your advice and engaged their services three weeks ago and I'm very disapointed in them to say the least......they have messed me up badly.....Shame on you Shame on you
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