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obiero
#7881 Posted : Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:14:00 PM
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maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
[quote=obiero]@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

Order Paper number 60 dated 15.06.2017, motion 18 by Leader of Majority... http://www.parliament.go...a6fe1ecda664a9f1a827bc1[/quote]

Let's me go to bed and dream how I will munch some of this cash.

Totally.. The turnaround is here. Total KQ debt overnight down to USD 1.2B from USD 2.1B, being USD 775m debt conversion along with KLM cash injection of USD 100m.. Positive working capital.. Operating profit in the black.. What other negatives remain? The rally of a lifetime http://www.businessdaily...72704-rbhllbz/index.html

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#7882 Posted : Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:52:19 PM
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obiero wrote:
jgithige wrote:
hisah wrote:
obiero wrote:
jgithige wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
hisah wrote:
No bid day four. Is KQ closing down today or anytime soon? No. This clobbering extremes will be reset in similar fashion (limit up days) when the bullish cycle returns. If the price does overshoot towards 2.50 handle, the extreme selling will present very nice opportunities for trading.


RSI approaching deeply oversold levels..Watching for that volume spike



The 10% rule is locking counter bids

@hisah if one never sold when the share was at KES 7.70, what would be the motivation to trade in at KES 2.. Ebb and flow. I speak in code

Weak hands will trade at any price when the panic sets in.

Meanwhile I can see the MM are stemming off the sell tide today after testing 4.65. @metaspoilt @karasinga are you watching this price action?


Tables being turned upside down currently 2.15 pm Demand building at 5bob measly supply at 5.20. Any incoming news!!!! Somebody say

Alas! The music stops.. MM have had their fill at a high of 2.15m shares at COB. A rapid correction upwards on the cards.. Ebb and flow

Waiting for the market to open http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/ebb+and+flow

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
ArrestedDev
#7883 Posted : Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:57:14 PM
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obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=muandiwambeu][quote=obiero]@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

Order Paper number 60 dated 15.06.2017, motion 18 by Leader of Majority... http://www.parliament.go...a6fe1ecda664a9f1a827bc1[/quote]

Let's me go to bed and dream how I will munch some of this cash.

Totally.. The turnaround is here. Total KQ debt overnight down to USD 1.2B from USD 2.1B, being USD 775m debt conversion along with KLM cash injection of USD 100m.. Positive working capital.. Operating profit in the black.. What other negatives remain? The rally of a lifetime http://www.businessdaily...2704-rbhllbz/index.html[/quote]

A crisis averted.Mr Sebastian, the ball is in your court. Please flex your muscle and pull this Airline out of the mess created by Ngunze and Co.
muandiwambeu
#7884 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 12:10:39 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=muandiwambeu][quote=obiero]@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

Order Paper number 60 dated 15.06.2017, motion 18 by Leader of Majority... http://www.parliament.go...a6fe1ecda664a9f1a827bc1[/quote]

Let's me go to bed and dream how I will munch some of this cash.

Totally.. The turnaround is here. Total KQ debt overnight down to USD 1.2B from USD 2.1B, being USD 775m debt conversion along with KLM cash injection of USD 100m.. Positive working capital.. Operating profit in the black.. What other negatives remain? The rally of a lifetime http://www.businessdaily...2704-rbhllbz/index.html[/quote]

A crisis averted.Mr Sebastian, the ball is in your court. Please flex your muscle and pull this Airline out of the mess created by Ngunze and Co.

smile Pray
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Ericsson
#7885 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 12:59:42 AM
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Kq is still in negative equity. Government loans amounting to $243mn is what will be converted to equity.
$525mn owed to US Exim Bank and $225mn owed to local lenders will have to be repaid with GOK acting as guarantor.
Local lenders/banks will not own any stake in KQ.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#7886 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 5:35:58 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Kq is still in negative equity. Government loans amounting to $243mn is what will be converted to equity.
$525mn owed to US Exim Bank and $225mn owed to local lenders will have to be repaid with GOK acting as guarantor.
Local lenders/banks will not own any stake in KQ.

You could be right and that would imply less dilution.. Meanwhile, airlines and negative equity go hand in hand.. It's a normal thingy which we have already discussed here. The cash flow is what will be increased via the tenor concessions.. And that is a very good thing... As for bank debt to equity position, soma hii link along with the cautionary statement http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1962OA

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Spikes
#7887 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 6:41:54 AM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

It's not news for you to discover that you're the most crazy lunatic at nse!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#7888 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 6:45:45 AM
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Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

It's not news for you to discover that you're the most crazy lunatic at nse!

Good morning to you too clown.. Kindly let me know when KES 2 prints
@stocksmaster Gatheuzi, I see you

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Spikes
#7889 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 6:48:25 AM
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obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

It's not news for you to discover that you're the most crazy lunatic at nse!

Good morning to you too clown.. Kindly let me know when KES 2 prints
@stocksmaster Gatheuzi, I see you

Good morning to you too crazy lunatic!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#7890 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 7:02:25 AM
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Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

It's not news for you to discover that you're the most crazy lunatic at nse!

Good morning to you too clown.. Kindly let me know when KES 2 prints
@stocksmaster Gatheuzi, I see you

Good morning to you too crazy lunatic!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Spikes
#7891 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 7:11:12 AM
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obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

It's not news for you to discover that you're the most crazy lunatic at nse!

Good morning to you too clown.. Kindly let me know when KES 2 prints
@stocksmaster Gatheuzi, I see you

Good morning to you too crazy lunatic!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


By the way are you aware clowns mint millions of money by entertaining crazy lunatics and company? Disclaimer :at nse I'm not a clown.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#7892 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 7:28:45 AM
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Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

It's not news for you to discover that you're the most crazy lunatic at nse!

Good morning to you too clown.. Kindly let me know when KES 2 prints
@stocksmaster Gatheuzi, I see you

Good morning to you too crazy lunatic!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


By the way are you aware clowns mint millions of money by entertaining crazy lunatics and company? Disclaimer :at nse I'm not a clown.

The energy you bring to this thread as a non-shareholder beats all logic.. Kindly spare time to comment on Kurwitu and your other stocks

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Ericsson
#7893 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 7:30:05 AM
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obiero wrote:
[quote=Ericsson]Kq is still in negative equity. Government loans amounting to $243mn is what will be converted to equity.
$525mn owed to US Exim Bank and $225mn owed to local lenders will have to be repaid with GOK acting as guarantor.
Local lenders/banks will not own any stake in KQ.

You could be right and that would imply less dilution.. Meanwhile, airlines and negative equity go hand in hand.. It's a normal thingy which we have already discussed here. The cash flow is what will be increased via the tenor concessions.. And that is a very good thing... As for bank debt to equity position, soma hii link along with the cautionary statement http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1962OA[/quote]

The challenge of KQ still is passenger numbers to generate the necessary cash flows. Where will this come from.
As for the bank debt conversion to equity i picked that from the business daily link you posted.
GoK will guarantee them and look at ways of increasing the tenor
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Spikes
#7894 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 7:33:34 AM
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obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

It's not news for you to discover that you're the most crazy lunatic at nse!

Good morning to you too clown.. Kindly let me know when KES 2 prints
@stocksmaster Gatheuzi, I see you

Good morning to you too crazy lunatic!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


By the way are you aware clowns mint millions of money by entertaining crazy lunatics and company? Disclaimer :at nse I'm not a clown.

The energy you bring to this thread as a non-shareholder beats all logic.. Kindly spare time to comment on Kurwitu and your other stocks


Stock market has two movements: North or South .Either way depends on the available information and other exterior factors. Nobody is a hero at nse especially traders except long-term investors in blue chip companies.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
muandiwambeu
#7895 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 7:39:20 AM
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Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
@spikes please feed us with your tripe.. The August House has accented the bill subject to Presidential acceptance..

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! . This is nse for you anyday. NSE, a house of mad men drunk with shang'aa?

It's not news for you to discover that you're the most crazy lunatic at nse!

Have a good nse day comrade. Your cheers at the den makes it thrive and throb.
and Mark you, having probably dropped the hang on this morning, and working with typical values given by Genghis I.e 6.49, 18.7, 33.7 & 41.1 against the current holding ratios of 43. , 29. , 0 and 28. , can you figure something out of it. I.e level of dilution, eps, market capitalisation, liquidity of the stock, the impact of a five year concession on the bottom lines, impact of lenders being forced to own 33.7% as a marriage of convenience etc. Have you looked at the frs 2016 to see cost of finance at 15b.s. & freight ownership costs at b.s. do you feel that this is a triad company held by Gova, svp banks and klm and your presence there in means nothingness to all these dominant partners with complicated interests? Try better and see the lights before tots starts taking toll on you.
Fire and Forget mode fully activated. (FAF-for you)Sad Sad Sad
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
muandiwambeu
#7896 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 8:43:23 AM
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omega wrote:
obiero wrote:
@ the exchange bar.. word is out; 7.8B new shares needed to cover 48B conversion of GoK and financiers debt at KES 25B & 23B, respectively.. Share price agreed between parties for purchase is KES 7.2.. Fundamentally, KQ has obtained a new lease of life. Due to this fact, National Assembly has agreed to pass the Sessional Paper 3 in Wednesday's sitting. I sit tight, noting that in stock investment you must be prepared mentally to loose everything or gain it all..


7.8B plus the current issued shares (1.5B) comes to 9.3B.

If we use a profit after tax of 3.5B (2011), which is best result that KQ has managed in the last ten years, then the EPS would be 0.38. With a generous PE of 10, it would then trade at ksh 3.8 per share.

Given the full recovery is a way off, I wouldn't be surprised if KQ traded at below ksh 2 per share.

Copy that.
Further, now that local banks are on the same table the owners are, what's the impact on shared cake.
Say if 23.25bn represents 33.7%, q100%<=> 10.14575bn shares an increase over current 1.496bn
So, if and only if the reprieve is on financing costs savings that would imply interest costs becomes plus to PBT&I.
How much then is this I, assuming r= 14%, I »» 3.5
Eliminating tad at 30% u get adjustments at say 2.2bn.
Now @omega could you figure out for wazua what eps and mp for this junk would be all over again?
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Ericsson
#7897 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 9:06:33 AM
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@muandiwambeu
KQ will still go back to the same hole since they have said they intend to take more debt
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
muandiwambeu
#7898 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 9:54:34 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@muandiwambeu
KQ will still go back to the same hole since they have said they intend to take more debt

The moot here is eps and mp at the best case scenario.
deleveraging has got nothing to do with efficient use of the assets and neither does it reduces cost of capital since the banks will definitely demand dividend to their investment. Further, taxation burden will increase overall.
Concessions are inconsequential being a can of worms kicked down the road five yrs atop just expiring one's.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
actuarywahisa
#7899 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 11:18:38 AM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@muandiwambeu
KQ will still go back to the same hole since they have said they intend to take more debt

The moot here is eps and mp at the best case scenario.
deleveraging has got nothing to do with efficient use of the assets and neither does it reduces cost of capital since the banks will definitely demand dividend to their investment. Further, taxation burden will increase overall.
Concessions are inconsequential being a can of worms kicked down the road five yrs atop just expiring one's.


Do not underestimate the power of concessions on tenure to reduce pressure on an entity's cashflow. KQ has been trying to bring in experts in various departments to help actually improve operations. The concessions help to reduce pressure as the changes take effect. Whether the changes will be successful, that is another matter. I would stay out for now as there are quite a number of unknowns e.g conversion price, the fine details of the concessions, parliament. and KQ just like mumias is subject to so many external factors.
There are too many opportunities all around. Open your eyes and maybe you'll spot one
obiero
#7900 Posted : Friday, June 16, 2017 11:19:56 AM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@muandiwambeu
KQ will still go back to the same hole since they have said they intend to take more debt

The moot here is eps and mp at the best case scenario.
deleveraging has got nothing to do with efficient use of the assets and neither does it reduces cost of capital since the banks will definitely demand dividend to their investment. Further, taxation burden will increase overall.
Concessions are inconsequential being a can of worms kicked down the road five yrs atop just expiring one's.

The problem with Africans is mixing up issues.. I will sell this stock at some point. The capital gains are my only focus and so far I am up 28% on the shareholding as at this minute..

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