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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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limanika wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:My take, if the court rules that the PO form/report is official/final ..... then they will start campaign fear targeting POs that if your form is wrong then you will be own your own... small fish tingz. You are one smart girl. The POs will be subjected to a campaign of fear and threats should they engage in any mischief. And the threats will be on both sides. Jubilee threatening POs in Siaya and Baba threatening the ones in Gatundu. The R.O. for the constituency will also have a hard time. Take kilifi north. Jubilee will be eagerly waiting to see whether Mung'aro has brought votes ama ni kukula pesa. So, at the jubilee tallying centre, someone will have tallied all the form 34s from Kilifi north. Should the R.O. try any monkey business, he will get into trouble right away. Not quite. Highest bidder it is. Good point. I had thought about it and here are my thoughts. At IEBC hqs, 1B would be enough to be shared by all the critical guys. And these guys can keep quiet. At the polling station, the PO will be counting the votes loudly. Someone will record that and everyone will have a photo of the form 34. To buy the silence of all these guys would present a logistical nightmare. You are talking the PO, his deputy, and 8 clerks. Then at least 12 agents and several observers. Throw in at least 4 cops and NYS guys. To buy the silence of at least 20 guys for each station would be outrageously expensive and you can't guarantee they will all keep quiet. You are talking over 500,000 guys. BTW, am thinking of future elections as well. 2022, 2027 going forward.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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The good thing is that ohuru has subchiefs, chiefs, DOs, OCS's in every corner of the country and therefore he will get accurate information about the voting at each and every polling station in the country. However perennial loser baba may not have agents in strongholds such as kamagut and ghatondo. [/quote] Let me burst your bubble here. In Gatundu and every other jubilee stronghold, Baba will have eyes on the ground. I can't go into details but I will drop one hint for you ; False flag.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,939
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Why cant the guy who has actually counted and tallied the votes announce the results .... What is the fear jameni yawa? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Angelica _ann wrote:Why cant the guy who has actually counted and tallied the votes announce the results .... What is the fear jameni yawa?  true the votes are counted at the polling station, that polling officer should have the final say, hi mambo ya kupeleka sijui kwa constituency tallying na sijui kwa national tallying should be done away with.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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What objectivity can one look for when adding up numbers, its a straight forward process, just that we love arguing and going round in circles over small things.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:My take, if the court rules that the PO form/report is official/final ..... then they will start campaign fear targeting POs that if your form is wrong then you will be own your own... small fish tingz. You are one smart girl. The POs will be subjected to a campaign of fear and threats should they engage in any mischief. And the threats will be on both sides. Jubilee threatening POs in Siaya and Baba threatening the ones in Gatundu. The R.O. for the constituency will also have a hard time. Take kilifi north. Jubilee will be eagerly waiting to see whether Mung'aro has brought votes ama ni kukula pesa. So, at the jubilee tallying centre, someone will have tallied all the form 34s from Kilifi north. Should the R.O. try any monkey business, he will get into trouble right away. Not quite. Highest bidder it is. Good point. I had thought about it and here are my thoughts. At IEBC hqs, 1B would be enough to be shared by all the critical guys. And these guys can keep quiet. At the polling station, the PO will be counting the votes loudly. Someone will record that and everyone will have a photo of the form 34. To buy the silence of all these guys would present a logistical nightmare. You are talking the PO, his deputy, and 8 clerks. Then at least 12 agents and several observers. Throw in at least 4 cops and NYS guys. To buy the silence of at least 20 guys for each station would be outrageously expensive and you can't guarantee they will all keep quiet. You are talking over 500,000 guys. BTW, am thinking of future elections as well. 2022, 2027 going forward. The presidential election, according to the said recent ruling, it's the RO, not PO, who has last word. In statistical dead heat election, if you can buy just few RO's who end up altering results announced at polling stations then youre home and dry. Of course by the time a case is brought you'll already have been announced winner and rest will be history from that point..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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limanika wrote:The presidential election, according to the said recent ruling, it's the RO, not PO, who has last word. In statistical dead heat election, if you can buy just few RO's who end up altering results announced at polling stations then youre home and dry. Of course by the time a case is brought you'll already have been announced winner and rest will be history from that point.. Another interesting angle. But wouldn't it be pointless considering the loser will have access to these altered figures and the accurate form 34S ? Supreme court will nullify the election straight-away. During the Kericho by-election, Robert Alai circulated a copy of polling station results as announce by the PO, then indicated a different figure as captured at the county headquarters. Someone from IEBC had to clarify very fast that the said polling station had more than one stream. With evidence to back his clarification. This election we are likely to see extensive citizen involvement. Unless someone switches off the internet.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:The presidential election, according to the said recent ruling, it's the RO, not PO, who has last word. In statistical dead heat election, if you can buy just few RO's who end up altering results announced at polling stations then youre home and dry. Of course by the time a case is brought you'll already have been announced winner and rest will be history from that point.. Another interesting angle. But wouldn't it be pointless considering the loser will have access to these altered figures and the accurate form 34S ? Supreme court will nullify the election straight-away. During the Kericho by-election, Robert Alai circulated a copy of polling station results as announce by the PO, then indicated a different figure as captured at the county headquarters. Someone from IEBC had to clarify very fast that the said polling station had more than one stream. With evidence to back his clarification. This election we are likely to see extensive citizen involvement. Unless someone switches off the internet. The win will be decisive in round 1 and we need not worry too much if the RO in Molo will disappear and only reappear at Bomas will a new set of results. There will be too much photoshops of results online, hilarious political commentary, blablabalaahhh and we all need to hold our cool until Chebukati makes his announcement! 700 of us will vote peacefully at our local chiefs camp and go home to wait for results! "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,939
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Gathige wrote:FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:The presidential election, according to the said recent ruling, it's the RO, not PO, who has last word. In statistical dead heat election, if you can buy just few RO's who end up altering results announced at polling stations then youre home and dry. Of course by the time a case is brought you'll already have been announced winner and rest will be history from that point.. Another interesting angle. But wouldn't it be pointless considering the loser will have access to these altered figures and the accurate form 34S ? Supreme court will nullify the election straight-away. During the Kericho by-election, Robert Alai circulated a copy of polling station results as announce by the PO, then indicated a different figure as captured at the county headquarters. Someone from IEBC had to clarify very fast that the said polling station had more than one stream. With evidence to back his clarification. This election we are likely to see extensive citizen involvement. Unless someone switches off the internet. The win will be decisive in round 1 and we need not worry too much if the RO in Molo will disappear and only reappear at Bomas will a new set of results. There will be too much photoshops of results online, hilarious political commentary, blablabalaahhh and we all need to hold our cool until Chebukati makes his announcement! 700 of us will vote peacefully at our local chiefs camp and go home to wait for results! you vote at a Chief's camp? That in itself is unconstitutional In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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The more I read the legal arguments the more confused I get. Senior Counsel Orengo argued that the PO will announce the final results but Chebukati will declare the winner! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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