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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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Yes,they are about to use'force'. If they go with their proposal of 40% of cargo being allocated to SGR,which will be approx 20% costlier.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Gathige wrote:alma1 wrote:To add on to what Mkeiy just laid out in numbers. Let me talk about the passenger side.
The train to mombasa is ksh. 700 Great
You forget it's not in Nairobi, it's Syokimau. So you have to find your way through Nairobi to Syokimau to pay 700
When you get to Mombasa, you are not really in Mombasa. You are in Miritini. For those who know the traffic from Miritini to the island, you know what hell means.
I actually love the fact that it ends in such far off areas. So it's now upto the gov't to create an easier way for people to get to these areas.
Otherwise, we shall all have to do with going to Tea Room to get that bus. It's more convinient. For now.
I do support the railway by the way...However, numbers don't lie. @Alma, Some business will emerge to fill the gap, similar to how boda bodas emerged to ferry people from the main roads to the interiors. The saving in time comparing the road and the rail far outweighs the inconveniences of getting to/out of the stations. Let this good idea bring forth better ones. As it is today. You can't with all honesty say that it's better to use the train rather than the buses. I dare anyone on wazua to do the same and give us the cost benefit analysis. Sure it's cool but it ain't easy. In fact what I'd like to do is pay for Hardwood right now leo to go on the trip. He doesn't have to wait for marupurupu ya blogging. I'll pay for him. This is a good idea but good ideas especially in this country are known to become white elephants very quickly. If there is no way for the consumer to get to the railway, then the consumer will continue using the bus. If there is no cost saving for the transporter. I don't see how a transporter pays more so that he can look patriotic. That's just how the cookie crumbles in business. If its too costly businesses won't use it. If it's too combersome, people will stick to Chania buses on river road. So let them think harder and complete the process. The celebrations came tooooo early in my opinion. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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thuks wrote:masukuma wrote:mkeiy wrote:masukuma wrote:I don't get some people... watu wanalalamika na SGR iko hapa already Eish! Bickering about the price and usefulness of SGR will not help anyone! Iko hapa already! Ni kama Thika road... iko hapa...haiendi mahali!! Start getting some utility out of it! Si some people in 2007 were complaining eti in 40 something years of independence hatujawahi ongeza hata inch moja ya reli? Sasa iko hapa mnaanza kulalamika bei? Reli sio plot ruai!! @Masukuma, chills bana. Ni Madaraka Day. Have people complained, or, are they highlighting some issue,PRICING? What's wrong with that? If the king is naked, he ought to be told so. Here is why. SGR-cargo-pricingaccording to Business daily, a 20ft container @50k to ICD, then another 10k - 20k approx trucking to the door. Total=60k70k.Compare that to using road from Msa to your door(not beyond Nai) at 50k. For a 40ft container weighing 29tons, going by Business daily, 7 Shs per ton per km. This container will cost me; 7shs*29ton*450km=91,350Shs to ICD. add another 15k-20k to my door to make it 106k - 121k. On the road, I get the same at 90k,to my door. As I write this, I have one on the road from Msa, what would persuade me to use SGR? Ama mambo ya economic sense tutupilie mbali? I think the issue of 'pricing' should be debated on the angle of 'use' as opposed to 'the cost of building it'. The last one does not matter! The cost of use is a more 'useful' angle of debate but it's all up to customers! Si wache tuone kama watu hawatatumia reli kubeba mizigo! ukitaka kungoja mzigo itoke Mombasa by road - ni sawa! kuna wale watabeba na reli depending na ni nini hiyo inabebwa! wacha tuone! Truck inachukua masaa ngapi to nbo from msa, jam free? @thuks. Under normal circumstances, if you load your container in the evening, the following morning you have it. Latest 10am, earliest could even be 5am. Another thing to look at apart from cost is infrastructure at ICD. In Mombasa, you have several CFS,with their infrastructure, at ICD, what is the capacity? Those in the know, please share. More needs to be done in terms of infrastructure at ICD. About passenger train, leo ndio Uhuru amesema Matata terminal ijengwe. Today if ordinary from Nyeri wishes to use Madaraka Express, how do they catch it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:Gathige wrote:alma1 wrote:To add on to what Mkeiy just laid out in numbers. Let me talk about the passenger side.
The train to mombasa is ksh. 700 Great
You forget it's not in Nairobi, it's Syokimau. So you have to find your way through Nairobi to Syokimau to pay 700
When you get to Mombasa, you are not really in Mombasa. You are in Miritini. For those who know the traffic from Miritini to the island, you know what hell means.
I actually love the fact that it ends in such far off areas. So it's now upto the gov't to create an easier way for people to get to these areas.
Otherwise, we shall all have to do with going to Tea Room to get that bus. It's more convinient. For now.
I do support the railway by the way...However, numbers don't lie. @Alma, Some business will emerge to fill the gap, similar to how boda bodas emerged to ferry people from the main roads to the interiors. The saving in time comparing the road and the rail far outweighs the inconveniences of getting to/out of the stations. Let this good idea bring forth better ones. As it is today. You can't with all honesty say that it's better to use the train rather than the buses. I dare anyone on wazua to do the same and give us the cost benefit analysis. Sure it's cool but it ain't easy. In fact what I'd like to do is pay for Hardwood right now leo to go on the trip. He doesn't have to wait for marupurupu ya blogging. I'll pay for him. This is a good idea but good ideas especially in this country are known to become white elephants very quickly. If there is no way for the consumer to get to the railway, then the consumer will continue using the bus. If there is no cost saving for the transporter. I don't see how a transporter pays more so that he can look patriotic. That's just how the cookie crumbles in business. If its too costly businesses won't use it. If it's too combersome, people will stick to Chania buses on river road. So let them think harder and complete the process. The celebrations came tooooo early in my opinion. Haujalazimishwa kupanda reli, you can board those cockroach infested buses because they make economic sense to you. Ok, pia wao ni watoa ushuru roads are built for them? Wale wanaishi Syokimau hawataongea. The wearer of the shoe knows where it pinches "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Gathige wrote:alma1 wrote:To add on to what Mkeiy just laid out in numbers. Let me talk about the passenger side.
The train to mombasa is ksh. 700 Great
You forget it's not in Nairobi, it's Syokimau. So you have to find your way through Nairobi to Syokimau to pay 700
When you get to Mombasa, you are not really in Mombasa. You are in Miritini. For those who know the traffic from Miritini to the island, you know what hell means.
I actually love the fact that it ends in such far off areas. So it's now upto the gov't to create an easier way for people to get to these areas.
Otherwise, we shall all have to do with going to Tea Room to get that bus. It's more convinient. For now.
I do support the railway by the way...However, numbers don't lie. @Alma, Some business will emerge to fill the gap, similar to how boda bodas emerged to ferry people from the main roads to the interiors. The saving in time comparing the road and the rail far outweighs the inconveniences of getting to/out of the stations. Let this good idea bring forth better ones. As it is today. You can't with all honesty say that it's better to use the train rather than the buses. I dare anyone on wazua to do the same and give us the cost benefit analysis. Sure it's cool but it ain't easy. In fact what I'd like to do is pay for Hardwood right now leo to go on the trip. He doesn't have to wait for marupurupu ya blogging. I'll pay for him. This is a good idea but good ideas especially in this country are known to become white elephants very quickly. If there is no way for the consumer to get to the railway, then the consumer will continue using the bus. If there is no cost saving for the transporter. I don't see how a transporter pays more so that he can look patriotic. That's just how the cookie crumbles in business. If its too costly businesses won't use it. If it's too combersome, people will stick to Chania buses on river road. So let them think harder and complete the process. The celebrations came tooooo early in my opinion. Haujalazimishwa kupanda reli, you can board those cockroach infested buses because they make economic sense to you. Ok, pia wao ni watoa ushuru roads are built for them? Wale wanaishi Syokimau hawataongea. The wearer of the shoe knows where it pinches You see..The usual jubilee jibberish when they are caught with the hands in the cookie jar. I know you have been peddling this 700 bob to go to Mombasa nonsense. Again instead of being annoyed with me, why don't you take a trip today and tell us how long it took you to get to Mombasa Town with the reli. And the exact cost...Sio matusi. Just saying...Now if you can't even acknowledge that this is a problem, why would I bother having you fix it? Museme nitume pesa wapi muende na mupige piksha muweke hapa hapa wazua. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Gathige wrote:alma1 wrote:To add on to what Mkeiy just laid out in numbers. Let me talk about the passenger side.
The train to mombasa is ksh. 700 Great
You forget it's not in Nairobi, it's Syokimau. So you have to find your way through Nairobi to Syokimau to pay 700
When you get to Mombasa, you are not really in Mombasa. You are in Miritini. For those who know the traffic from Miritini to the island, you know what hell means.
I actually love the fact that it ends in such far off areas. So it's now upto the gov't to create an easier way for people to get to these areas.
Otherwise, we shall all have to do with going to Tea Room to get that bus. It's more convinient. For now.
I do support the railway by the way...However, numbers don't lie. @Alma, Some business will emerge to fill the gap, similar to how boda bodas emerged to ferry people from the main roads to the interiors. The saving in time comparing the road and the rail far outweighs the inconveniences of getting to/out of the stations. Let this good idea bring forth better ones. As it is today. You can't with all honesty say that it's better to use the train rather than the buses. I dare anyone on wazua to do the same and give us the cost benefit analysis. Sure it's cool but it ain't easy. In fact what I'd like to do is pay for Hardwood right now leo to go on the trip. He doesn't have to wait for marupurupu ya blogging. I'll pay for him. This is a good idea but good ideas especially in this country are known to become white elephants very quickly. If there is no way for the consumer to get to the railway, then the consumer will continue using the bus. If there is no cost saving for the transporter. I don't see how a transporter pays more so that he can look patriotic. That's just how the cookie crumbles in business. If its too costly businesses won't use it. If it's too combersome, people will stick to Chania buses on river road. So let them think harder and complete the process. The celebrations came tooooo early in my opinion. Haujalazimishwa kupanda reli, you can board those cockroach infested buses because they make economic sense to you. Ok, pia wao ni watoa ushuru roads are built for them? Wale wanaishi Syokimau hawataongea. The wearer of the shoe knows where it pinches SGR mzima tuachie watu wa Syokimau sasa? Wao wanaenda Msa daily ama ni Nai? @Murchr. The discussion should be how we maximize SGR's. Talking as if you guys are the only taxpayers ain't helping anyone. There is Railway Development Levy on every shipment,a direct cost to business. This about BUSINESS,not politics
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Mkeiy have you got the train freight schedule? I want to do a practical on 2 fcls released from port at same time to determine the timeframe.That's all that clients are interested in. I also like looking at the bright side of things. Road Traffic from mombasa port/Long queues by truckers waiting to enter port,delays if truck doesn't meet kpa requirements,Strikes by truckers,Corruption at Weighbridges and kangaroo roadside courts/ Goods pilferage,etc etc The pros outweigh the cons. KPA ball is in your court.You must deliver in a timely fashion and support the project. Whatever the case.. be prepared for congestion at ICD.Some of these trucks are 9km long..x several trips. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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mkeiy wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Gathige wrote:alma1 wrote:To add on to what Mkeiy just laid out in numbers. Let me talk about the passenger side.
The train to mombasa is ksh. 700 Great
You forget it's not in Nairobi, it's Syokimau. So you have to find your way through Nairobi to Syokimau to pay 700
When you get to Mombasa, you are not really in Mombasa. You are in Miritini. For those who know the traffic from Miritini to the island, you know what hell means.
I actually love the fact that it ends in such far off areas. So it's now upto the gov't to create an easier way for people to get to these areas.
Otherwise, we shall all have to do with going to Tea Room to get that bus. It's more convinient. For now.
I do support the railway by the way...However, numbers don't lie. @Alma, Some business will emerge to fill the gap, similar to how boda bodas emerged to ferry people from the main roads to the interiors. The saving in time comparing the road and the rail far outweighs the inconveniences of getting to/out of the stations. Let this good idea bring forth better ones. As it is today. You can't with all honesty say that it's better to use the train rather than the buses. I dare anyone on wazua to do the same and give us the cost benefit analysis. Sure it's cool but it ain't easy. In fact what I'd like to do is pay for Hardwood right now leo to go on the trip. He doesn't have to wait for marupurupu ya blogging. I'll pay for him. This is a good idea but good ideas especially in this country are known to become white elephants very quickly. If there is no way for the consumer to get to the railway, then the consumer will continue using the bus. If there is no cost saving for the transporter. I don't see how a transporter pays more so that he can look patriotic. That's just how the cookie crumbles in business. If its too costly businesses won't use it. If it's too combersome, people will stick to Chania buses on river road. So let them think harder and complete the process. The celebrations came tooooo early in my opinion. Haujalazimishwa kupanda reli, you can board those cockroach infested buses because they make economic sense to you. Ok, pia wao ni watoa ushuru roads are built for them? Wale wanaishi Syokimau hawataongea. The wearer of the shoe knows where it pinches SGR mzima tuachie watu wa Syokimau sasa? Wao wanaenda Msa daily ama ni Nai? @Murchr. The discussion should be how we maximize SGR's. Talking as if you guys are the only taxpayers ain't helping anyone. There is Railway Development Levy on every shipment,a direct cost to business. This about BUSINESS,not politics I have never heard you complain that planes should be landing in South C to make any economic sense, after all, you take cabs and pay that 1000/- from Embakasi to south C. Reli mwisho ni Syokimau, panda Nairobi commuter rail hapo ushukie railways tao. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:
I have never heard you complain that planes should be landing in South C to make any economic sense, after all, you take cabs and pay that 1000/- from Embakasi to south C. Reli mwisho ni Syokimau, panda Nairobi commuter rail hapo ushukie railways tao.
Wacha nikusaidie kidogo Murchr because leo umenoa. I'm a business persona and want to use the First Class Service. Cost of the Plane 1. Taxi to Wilson or JKIA - ksh. 1000 2. Airline Ticket - ksh. 7000 3. Taxi from Mombasa Airport to Hotel - ksh. 1000 Total Cost 9k Time to travel 1. Taxi to Jkia - 1 hour 2. in flight - 1 hour 3. Airport to Hotel - 1 hour Total time in transit 3 hours maximum Cost of First Class Train 1. Taxi to Machakos - ksh. 2000 2. First Class Ticket - ksh. 3000 3. Miritini to Mombasa - ksh. 2000 Total Cost 7k Time to Travel 1. Taxi to Machakos - 1.5 hours 2. Train time - 5 hours 3. Miritini to Mombasa - 2 hours Total time 8.5 hours My friend, why not take the bus? I hear Spanish has aerodynamic buses or something. Now Imagine the Commoner Cost to Mabatha Raha 1. From wherever to Tea Room - 100 Bob - Time to travel 1 hour 2. From Tea Room to Mabatha - 800 bob Chania - Time to Travel 8 hours 3. From Chania to Hotel - 40 bob - Time to Travel 30 minutes Total Cost 840 bob Total Time 8 Hours 10 hours kama kuna jam Now on the Reli 1. From wherever to town - 100 bob - Time to travel 1 hour 2. From town to Mayakos - 100 bob - Time to travel 1.5 hours 3. From Mayakos to the Station - 50 bob - Time to travel 30 minutes 4. Train to mabatha - 700 bob - Time to travel 5 hours 5. From Miritini to Mabatha - My friend there's no bus, chukua teksi 2000 bob - Time to travel 1.5 hours Total Cost 2950. Total Time 9.5 hours I know math is a difficult thing but how long do you think it will take the average Kenyan to say he has seen enough relis in his life. There must be a way that connects commuters to a transport hub. If someone has not thought about that, then there's going to be a problem here. Sawa? Tumeelewana? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Some wonder why Mwafrika is behind in everything, it's some kind of reasoning I see here. These people opposing infrastructure expansion, go out there, visit the world we are eons behind. Heck even if the SGR is double the cost, can you think outside the box on the pros, time saved, reduced congestion, quick flow of goods & services, roads damage, amount of cargo one round of train will transport etc etc. Nini mbaya na watu?? Lets review 1 Yr later and see. I recall people made noise on Thika Highway, these days wamenyamaza! i.am.back!!!!
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