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essyk wrote:It's the Weight and not size of a container that determines its price.
20ft light can cost as little as 50k of its co-loaded (2×20ft)on a 40ft truck
Same applies if the trucker is doing a return trip..say he dropped a container at mombasa and has no other load to carry back to nbo.
20ft heavy will carry the price of a 40ft because it cannot be co-loaded.
Minimum Transport cost for a heavy 20ft and 40ft= 80k from MBA to NBO. ( sasa uhuru ameharibu hapa☺
We cannot rule out the truckers because rail will deliver to ICD and client has to make othet transport arrangements to door.Approx 15-25k within city limits.
Now the main challenge with rail freight are delays encountered during wagon allocations at the port.
If KPA fail to deliver on their part the train will not be of any help to business people.
The people who will feel the pinch are the bus companies esp those with Kungunis.
Thanks for this. Can tell this is your territory. The tariff announced today is 50K for a 20ft container or USD 7cts/ton/KM. For the normal 40ft container with 28 tonnes, the cost is 92K. Then you add 25K for the last mile. On pricing, SGR can't beat truckers unless govt subsidizes. Wish we could keep the politics out of this debate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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KPA are the determining factor on matters freight. Reduced costs=increased cargo volumes at ICD =more trucks within the city. With this comes the demand for road expansion to cater for heavy truck traffic to/from icd,parking space and more container weighing stations for export cargo. If that fails to happen.. your guess is as good as mine . So yeah go ahead and invest in truck biz. I guess now is the moment. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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For those who believe so much on myths. Babu says that the project was to cost $290B per the nusu mkate govt. Lets look at the facts Daily Nation September 9 2009 wrote:The proposed construction of the standard gauge railway line is aimed at making Kenya an investment hub.
The rail that will cost nearly Sh320 billion will also reduce the cost of transport, Kenya Railways Managing Director Nduva Muli has said
The Mombasa-Nairobi section of the line is expected to be complete by 2013 while the Nairobi-Kisumu- Malaba one is projected to end by 2016.
http://www.nation.co.ke/...1056/655200/-/umt89w/-/
the EastAfrican Sep 22 2012 wrote:The railway line, which is to be built according to Chinese railway design standards, will carry freight trains at speeds of up to 80 kilometres per hour, and passenger trains at up to 120 kilometres per hour.
It will be completed in five years, with the cost of the track alone estimated at a massive $2.6 billion. Total cost of Nairobi to Mombasa is $3.8 Billion dollars translating to Sh 327 Billion.
Could that be the amount babu is quoting?Quote:Additional income
Kenya Railways expects to raise even more money from selling the assets of the existing railway line.
The assumption in the financing model is that, once the standard gauge railway is completed, Kenya Railways will receive a salvage value of $41 million through disposal of the assets of the existing railway — locomotive wagons, railway tracks and sleepers.
http://www.theeastafrica...tem-0-oeutu3/index.html
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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essyk wrote:KPA are the determining factor on matters freight.
Reduced costs=increased cargo volumes at ICD =more trucks within the city.
With this comes the demand for road expansion to cater for heavy truck traffic to/from icd,parking space and more container weighing stations for export cargo.
If that fails to happen.. your guess is as good as mine .
So yeah go ahead and invest in truck biz.
I guess now is the moment.
The market is already crowded by the existing truckers and after 2-3yrs, the will be out of business once the Madaraka express gets to Malaba. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,579
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Raila: " I will jail Uhuru for SGR". Raila phobia just increased x20 Wow!!!!  Wivu mingi ya nini? How does Raira account for his 10 years, only 26billion Thika highway, where did the other KES 2.57 trillion go? you guessed it, wasted through corruption by relatives of the corrupt garment! Everyone expects much more from Uhuru than Raira! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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essyk wrote:It's the Weight and not size of a container that determines its price.
20ft light can cost as little as 50k of its co-loaded (2×20ft)on a 40ft truck
Same applies if the trucker is doing a return trip..say he dropped a container at mombasa and has no other load to carry back to nbo.
20ft heavy will carry the price of a 40ft because it cannot be co-loaded.
Minimum Transport cost for a heavy 20ft and 40ft= 80k from MBA to NBO. ( sasa uhuru ameharibu hapa☺
We cannot rule out the truckers because rail will deliver to ICD and client has to make othet transport arrangements to door.Approx 15-25k within city limits.
Now the main challenge with rail freight are delays encountered during wagon allocations at the port.
If KPA fail to deliver on their part the train will not be of any help to business people.
The people who will feel the pinch are the bus companies esp those with Kungunis.
@essyk. Hapo hujatwambia ukweli. Of the two variables, it's size first, then weight. A 40ft container the minimum it will cost is 80k,whether weighing 17tons or 27tons. If it goes above 27 tons, top up ya 'road' unaongezea. If doing a single but heavy 20ft container, hapo sasa ni mambo na weight. You will pay as if you are trucking a 40ft container. After all, the running costs & profit margin will be relatively the same,whether a 40ft or a single but heavy 20ft load.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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saw a video of the train emitting quite a chunk of smoke.kwani sida iko wapi?uzee ama? punda amecheka
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:essyk wrote:KPA are the determining factor on matters freight.
Reduced costs=increased cargo volumes at ICD =more trucks within the city.
With this comes the demand for road expansion to cater for heavy truck traffic to/from icd,parking space and more container weighing stations for export cargo.
If that fails to happen.. your guess is as good as mine .
So yeah go ahead and invest in truck biz.
I guess now is the moment.
The market is already crowded by the existing truckers and after 2-3yrs, the will be out of business once the Madaraka express gets to Malaba. They may reduce but not going out of biz completely,for two reasons. 1. Local trucking from the inland depots. 2. Trucking from Msa to Nai since I expect bottle necks the port & at ICD. Remember not all shipments meant for ICD will be discharged at the new terminal in Mombasa. Getting shipments meant for ICD from the different terminals,onto the SGR train, it will be taking time. Clearing at ICD, loading on trucks & return of empties, I think the infrastructure will be overwhelmed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Mkeiy ,if you read my post well you will realise that we are speaking the same thing. 2x20 LIGHT(co-load)=1x40= I TRUCK=80k 1x20 HEAVY(single load)= 1 TRUCK = 80k 1x 40 (regardless of weight)= 1TRUCK= 80k Extra weight attracts a fine. As a transporter you can decide to charge as little as 50k for 1x20 on the RETURN LEG to Mombasa/ NBO instead of going back empty after drop off. Ama namna gani my fren. No loss on you. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,579
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Pro's seriously outweigh the con's whether economics wise, logistics wise, e.t.c, in any case it gives flexibility and choice, the rest will be dealt with by the invisible hand, if you fill the cargo with UNGA from the port, people will sleep better, it can bring only unga to lower the price faster supply, leaving the issue raised of toilet paper, thieves can eat 'more bigger' ugali and snooze off instead of going to steal phones and so on if we were to make a complete analysis before saying SGR is very good for Kenya! Ras Kienyeji Man
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