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Impunity
#631 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:13:30 PM
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kingfisher wrote:
vky wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Now PORK and his abled DP ill board this inaugural (spl) ride from Coast to Nairobi tomorrow, I wonder what will be in their mind!

By the way have you seen some of those major stations? They are YUGE and beautiful but I am surprise the CS Transie said we will only have one train per day one way each...
Who will use all those magnificie facilities? The night lights, the air-coned waiting lounges, the YUGE platforms etal?

This means the lounges will be used only for a maximum of say 1 hour and remain deserted for the next 23 hours.

Anyone of you ever visited the Syokimau commuter train station? Its in a state of disrepair due to underutilization plus utter NEGLET! Yet it get occupied at least 3 hours a day!

The type of the train stations built by these Chinese were fully based on the China model of mass transport...those stations require several trains per day, operation every 30 mins on the minimum.

Otherwise we will see some of the rare white elephants that we thought had become extinct!





good observation there, on the passenger side of things one can easily speculate with some measure of certainty that when the novelty of the SGR quiets down we shall begin to see those white elephants roaming around and this speculation is given more credence by the fact that govt has subsidized the commercial operations of the rail to the tune of 15b all this being to the detriment of the taxpayer, if we had a double track then one would reasonably speculate that those white elephants would be kept at bay.


Double tracks?? do you guys know how trains operates? talk of GOOD intersections and I will listen.


Yes we know what we talk about.
Double track is good for high traffic areas like high the commuter sections...it saves time,it's safer,and makes trains move more timely.
But mombasa Nairobi section traffic may not warranty double track.

Yes we know our facts
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Lolest!
#632 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:16:08 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Madaraka express ilifika? Huku 44 they are still hoping ......... Sad Sad Sad


Wako Athi River. Big rally live on tv

I think Uhuruto decided to turn it to a railway stations campaign circuit
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Impunity
#633 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:26:32 PM
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murchr wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Facts are stubborn things.

http://www.businessdaily...xhtml-o7l16m/index.html



Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different?

Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa!



Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair.


Correct that and say "passenger rail service"...the freight is very profitable worldwide...however a few passenger lines are profitable like the the ones in Holland,Scandinavia and Swiss...




RailRoads make lots of money otherwise Buffet and Bill gates wouldnt invest heavily in them.


Yep.
Freighters do make lotsa chums.
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harrydre
#634 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:28:35 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Madaraka express ilifika? Huku 44 they are still hoping ......... Sad Sad Sad


Wako Athi River. Big rally live on tv

I think Uhuruto decided to turn it to a railway stations campaign circuit


i expect baba to follow same footsteps a week from now, telling people this was his project.
i.am.back!!!!
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Angelica _ann
#635 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:15:39 PM
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harrydre wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Madaraka express ilifika? Huku 44 they are still hoping ......... Sad Sad Sad


Wako Athi River. Big rally live on tv

I think Uhuruto decided to turn it to a railway stations campaign circuit


i expect baba to follow same footsteps a week from now, telling people this was his project.


Baba never a copycat smile smile smile
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murchr
#636 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:16:02 PM
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harrydre wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Madaraka express ilifika? Huku 44 they are still hoping ......... Sad Sad Sad


Wako Athi River. Big rally live on tv

I think Uhuruto decided to turn it to a railway stations campaign circuit


i expect baba to follow same footsteps a week from now, telling people this was his project.


He said this was his dream
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mkeiy
#637 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:39:52 PM
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harrydre wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
[quote=FRM2011]
Facts are stubborn things.

http://www.businessdaily...xhtml-o7l16m/index.html



Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different?

Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa!



Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote

The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making.


Ati atia ? Have you looked at the feasibility study ? Done by the same contractor ? The president has been telling us its a game changer. That it will reduce transport costs by 60%. Now I have just seen the "discounted" prices for the cargo. 50K for a 20ft container.

We have a gentleman called @Mkimwa on this forum. He is a veteran trucker. He can do a 20 ft container @50K to your doorstep upto Thika. For SGR, please add another 30K for the last mile trip to your doorstep.

Again I ask, is the game-changing aspect of the SGR in addressing capacity challenges or in competitive pricing ? On these two it falls short.


it costs around 100k to transport a container from Mbsa to Nairobi. Dont be ignorant. I have done it several times. Now it's going to be half price, roads spared, congestion eliminated, guys can do more business...Joho of all people will receive more tourists...I could go on forever.



@Harrydre. Which container size will KR be charging 50k? A 20ft or a 40ft?

Currently road charge for a 40ft high cube is between 80k & 90k.
100k is for overloaded containers, over 30tons.

How much will be trucking from ICD to the door? My bet would be between 20k~30k.
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essyk
#638 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:26:38 PM
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It's the Weight and not size of a container that determines its price.

20ft light can cost as little as 50k of its co-loaded (2×20ft)on a 40ft truck
Same applies if the trucker is doing a return trip..say he dropped a container at mombasa and has no other load to carry back to nbo.
20ft heavy will carry the price of a 40ft because it cannot be co-loaded.


Minimum Transport cost for a heavy 20ft and 40ft= 80k from MBA to NBO. ( sasa uhuru ameharibu hapa☺

We cannot rule out the truckers because rail will deliver to ICD and client has to make othet transport arrangements to door.Approx 15-25k within city limits.
Now the main challenge with rail freight are delays encountered during wagon allocations at the port.
If KPA fail to deliver on their part the train will not be of any help to business people.

The people who will feel the pinch are the bus companies esp those with Kungunis.

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limanika
#639 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:39:58 PM
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Harrydre, who will be operating the rail? The money that truck owners and bus owners used to make and invest in economy, this is the money SGR operator will make, who is the operator and how do we get this money to circulate?
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murchr
#640 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:33:47 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
kayhara wrote:
kollabo wrote:
Hope they can do a Natgeo style documentary about this.

No one in kenya has the patience to do it, plus you won't be allowed into meetings where th
variations are discussed, like they do in the Natgeo.

Its not about patience or being allowed into meetings, such productions are not in demand in kenya and they will not recoup the investment that would go into such a venture.
Kenyans love gossip, rumors and political mud slinging. we are allergic to facts.


Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016

Na part one imeisha ivyo with our local media showing and speculating on nonsence even LAPSSET itaenda hivyo tu.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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