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Iganamagana
#611 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:51:25 PM
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Gathige wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
[quote=FRM2011]
Facts are stubborn things.

http://www.businessdaily...xhtml-o7l16m/index.html



Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different?

Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa!



Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote

The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making.
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KulaRaha
#612 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:17:01 PM
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So when is the train going to be operational? When I can I buy a ticket and take a ride?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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FRM2011
#613 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:58:48 PM
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Iganamagana wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
[quote=FRM2011]
Facts are stubborn things.

http://www.businessdaily...xhtml-o7l16m/index.html



Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different?

Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa!



Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote

The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making.


Ati atia ? Have you looked at the feasibility study ? Done by the same contractor ? The president has been telling us its a game changer. That it will reduce transport costs by 60%. Now I have just seen the "discounted" prices for the cargo. 50K for a 20ft container.

We have a gentleman called @Mkimwa on this forum. He is a veteran trucker. He can do a 20 ft container @50K to your doorstep upto Thika. For SGR, please add another 30K for the last mile trip to your doorstep.

Again I ask, is the game-changing aspect of the SGR in addressing capacity challenges or in competitive pricing ? On these two it falls short.
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Lolest!
#614 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:13:38 PM
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Yet I still choose to support the SGR. As veteran newspaper commentator on public policy issues, I have been at it long enough to appreciate that an investment in infrastructure that may appear to have low returns in the short-term, tends to have incredibly high returns in the long-term.

Several years ago, we shouted ourselves hoarse about Turkwel Dam.

Today, it is an integral part of our hydro-electric power generation capacity.

We criticised Eldoret Airport as unviable and dismissed it as an investment funded by expensive and corruptly committed commercial loans.

SUPPORTING SGR

Today, it is one the fastest growing cargo hums of the region.

If I had the powers and means, I would force the two leading presidential candidates, Mr Uhuru Kenyatta and Mr Raila Odinga, to declare that they will continue supporting SGR until it reaches Malaba through Kisumu, even after the elections.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...948834-6ukruz/index.html
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Shak
#615 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:34:27 PM
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Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express
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Bigchick
#616 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:58:04 PM
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Shak wrote:
Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express



Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute.
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Gathige
#617 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:58:51 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
[quote=FRM2011]
Facts are stubborn things.

http://www.businessdaily...xhtml-o7l16m/index.html



Has anyone ever set up a business and not made a provision for recurrent expenditure till the business breaks even? Why do you want the GOK to be any different?

Wewe enda njenga boma ya kuku na ununue kuku halafu ungonjee zitage mayai bila kuweka pesa ya mfanyi kazi, chakula na dawa!



Railroad has never been a profitable business worldwide. India, with the largest and most complex railway network is a purely state affair. [/quote

The ripple effect on the economy is what matters. Even the toll roads in developed economies have some investment from the exchequer to be sustainable. The toll fee only maintains the roads but are not geared towards profit making.


Ati atia ? Have you looked at the feasibility study ? Done by the same contractor ? The president has been telling us its a game changer. That it will reduce transport costs by 60%. Now I have just seen the "discounted" prices for the cargo. 50K for a 20ft container.

We have a gentleman called @Mkimwa on this forum. He is a veteran trucker. He can do a 20 ft container @50K to your doorstep upto Thika. For SGR, please add another 30K for the last mile trip to your doorstep.

Again I ask, is the game-changing aspect of the SGR in addressing capacity challenges or in competitive pricing ? On these two it falls short.


@FRM2011,

Trucking yes you can make cash ( as you are using infrastructure you have not built- the roads and only pay a levy to use which is minimal).

The game-changer is not in the economic sense but in terms to time saved and the national pride ( the feeling you get when you spot a KQ plane in far flung countries, but at home it makes astronomical losses). It would feel good to catch the train and be in Msa in 4hrs but the price is a subsidized one.

Twende Mombasani sasa!
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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murchr
#618 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:03:21 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
Shak wrote:
Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express



Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute.


You must be a very evil woman.. Wivu yako ni ya hali ya juu
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Lolest!
#619 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:11:59 PM
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murchr wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Shak wrote:
Looks like Uhuru watches Carol Mutoko's blog. They've changed the name of the sgr to Madaraka express



Of course it had a name but Mutoko na kimbelembele yake could not wait.It was to be unveiled the last minute.


You must be a very evil woman.. Wivu yako ni ya hali ya juu

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Fullykenyan
#620 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:23:21 PM
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Will this Train havepolicemen in all the coaches? I am scared that Terrotists ccould take advantage of the usual slow response of the kenyan police, to slaughter passengers, once the train leaves either Nrb or Mombasa
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