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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The mganga, traditionally, is one who could facilitate the remembrance and practice of linking the cosmic to the particular experience cogently.
Now the mganga's shrine has been desecrated and his/her practice exiled by a rude being focused on the particular.
Isn't this a great failure, and perhaps a dehumanization?
I have little doubt that the political revolution we talk about so oftenly is about the recall of the 'mganga'.
Rediscovery of the mganga, and the creation of an appropriate language...
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:The mganga, traditionally, is one who could facilitate the remembrance and practice of linking the cosmic to the particular experience cogently.
Now the mganga's shrine has been desecrated and his/her practice exiled by a rude being focused on the particular.
Isn't this a great failure, and perhaps a dehumanization?
I have little doubt that the political revolution we talk about so oftenly is about the recall of the 'mganga'.
Rediscovery of the mganga, and the creation of an appropriate language... 
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Sasa hizi tabia ndo zinafanya watu waulizane, is wazua dead?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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uganga... (treatment) mganga... (doctor)... Uchawi (witchcraft/sorcery) ... mchawi ulozi (foretelling), Mlozi (soothsayer) All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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 It's Furahiday, is this the new phombe thread? @alma. After simu kupotea, Viceroy hamna Leo? Ama tutegee 'essay' kesho?
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/6/2009 Posts: 587
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mkeiy wrote:tycho wrote:The mganga, traditionally, is one who could facilitate the remembrance and practice of linking the cosmic to the particular experience cogently.
Now the mganga's shrine has been desecrated and his/her practice exiled by a rude being focused on the particular.
Isn't this a great failure, and perhaps a dehumanization?
I have little doubt that the political revolution we talk about so oftenly is about the recall of the 'mganga'.
Rediscovery of the mganga, and the creation of an appropriate language... @tycho...I thought you reformed. You have renounced your oath and slipped back to the forgotten past. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:uganga... (treatment) mganga... (doctor)...
Uchawi (witchcraft/sorcery) ... mchawi
ulozi (foretelling), Mlozi (soothsayer) I don't think the english translations are correct. The mganga has elements of witchcraft and soothsaying/prophecy. The mganga is someone who has a myth or grand unifying theory for a community/society and facilitates a peaceful understanding of life for all involved. I think it's a very difficult and delicate job. And vital too...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Baratang wrote:mkeiy wrote:tycho wrote:The mganga, traditionally, is one who could facilitate the remembrance and practice of linking the cosmic to the particular experience cogently.
Now the mganga's shrine has been desecrated and his/her practice exiled by a rude being focused on the particular.
Isn't this a great failure, and perhaps a dehumanization?
I have little doubt that the political revolution we talk about so oftenly is about the recall of the 'mganga'.
Rediscovery of the mganga, and the creation of an appropriate language... @tycho...I thought you reformed. You have renounced your oath and slipped back to the forgotten past. No. This is the right path. The path to an identity that is alive and is adaptive. It is about freedom.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:uganga... (treatment) mganga... (doctor)...
Uchawi (witchcraft/sorcery) ... mchawi
ulozi (foretelling), Mlozi (soothsayer) I don't think the english translations are correct. The mganga has elements of witchcraft and soothsaying/prophecy. The mganga is someone who has a myth or grand unifying theory for a community/society and facilitates a peaceful understanding of life for all involved. I think it's a very difficult and delicate job. And vital too... nope.... mganga is just a traditional doctor! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:uganga... (treatment) mganga... (doctor)...
Uchawi (witchcraft/sorcery) ... mchawi
ulozi (foretelling), Mlozi (soothsayer) I don't think the english translations are correct. The mganga has elements of witchcraft and soothsaying/prophecy. The mganga is someone who has a myth or grand unifying theory for a community/society and facilitates a peaceful understanding of life for all involved. I think it's a very difficult and delicate job. And vital too... nope.... mganga is just a traditional doctor! This is where 'Western' terminology and world view goes wrong. Who is a 'traditional doctor' or what is 'traditional medicine'? What are its methods? Maybe enumerating people who plied such a trade and their respective methods will help. Give me examples if you have any, of traditional doctors and describe the methods and issues they dealt with...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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History of Medicine: 2000 B.C. -- Here, eat this herb. 1000 A.D. -- That herb is heathen. Here, say this prayer. 1850 A.D. -- That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion. 1940 A.D. -- That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill. 1985 A.D. -- That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic. 2000 A.D. -- That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this herb.: All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:History of Medicine:
2000 B.C. -- Here, eat this herb.
1000 A.D. -- That herb is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. -- That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1940 A.D. -- That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1985 A.D. -- That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. -- That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this herb.: Too superficial. This isn't problem, method, treatment comparison. Anyone can talk about superstition at any time because knowledge is always changing. Maybe you should start with the Asclepion in the BC era, moving through aryu Veda, Tai chi, voodoo, and then towards contemporary practices...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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masukuma wrote:History of Medicine:
2000 B.C. -- Here, eat this herb.
1000 A.D. -- That herb is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. -- That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1940 A.D. -- That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1985 A.D. -- That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. -- That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this herb.: What did the civilized people of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey circa 10,000 B.C use, medicine or herbs? A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:masukuma wrote:History of Medicine:
2000 B.C. -- Here, eat this herb.
1000 A.D. -- That herb is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. -- That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1940 A.D. -- That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1985 A.D. -- That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. -- That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this herb.: What did the civilized people of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey circa 10,000 B.C use, medicine or herbs? Medicine... is an extract and sometimes (these days) an artificial substance. of course they used herbs... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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masukuma wrote:Much Know wrote:masukuma wrote:History of Medicine:
2000 B.C. -- Here, eat this herb.
1000 A.D. -- That herb is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. -- That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1940 A.D. -- That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1985 A.D. -- That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. -- That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this herb.: What did the civilized people of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey circa 10,000 B.C use, medicine or herbs? Medicine... is an extract and sometimes (these days) an artificial substance. of course they used herbs... Is a placebo medicine?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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Mtu Biz wrote:masukuma wrote:Much Know wrote:masukuma wrote:History of Medicine:
2000 B.C. -- Here, eat this herb.
1000 A.D. -- That herb is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. -- That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1940 A.D. -- That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1985 A.D. -- That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. -- That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this herb.: What did the civilized people of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey circa 10,000 B.C use, medicine or herbs? Medicine... is an extract and sometimes (these days) an artificial substance. of course they used herbs... Is a placebo medicine? It's definitely medicine and an integral part of the medicinal stock, quite an interesting question though. A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,703
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Mtu Biz wrote:masukuma wrote:Much Know wrote:masukuma wrote:History of Medicine:
2000 B.C. -- Here, eat this herb.
1000 A.D. -- That herb is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. -- That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1940 A.D. -- That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1985 A.D. -- That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. -- That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this herb.: What did the civilized people of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey circa 10,000 B.C use, medicine or herbs? Medicine... is an extract and sometimes (these days) an artificial substance. of course they used herbs... Is a placebo medicine? No a placebo is not medicine but the placebo effect definitely cures diseases. It is when you take something that you believe will make you better and you actually feel better after taking it. It is actually tricking the mind. I believe it may be how wagangas cure so many people. The mind is very powerful and if you truly believe you will get better by doing anything you have a very good chance of actually getting better.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 563 Location: Embakasi
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Kusadikika wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:masukuma wrote:Much Know wrote:masukuma wrote:History of Medicine:
2000 B.C. -- Here, eat this herb.
1000 A.D. -- That herb is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. -- That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1940 A.D. -- That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1985 A.D. -- That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. -- That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this herb.: What did the civilized people of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey circa 10,000 B.C use, medicine or herbs? Medicine... is an extract and sometimes (these days) an artificial substance. of course they used herbs... Is a placebo medicine? No a placebo is not medicine but the placebo effect definitely cures diseases. It is when you take something that you believe will make you better and you actually feel better after taking it. It is actually tricking the mind. I believe it may be how wagangas cure so many people. The mind is very powerful and if you truly believe you will get better by doing anything you have a very good chance of actually getting better. So then do prayers fall under this category? #AskingForAFriend In a place where thought is abandoned, freedom can become a curse.
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