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Nic Bank ....a sleeping giant ???????
VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:49:48 AM
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@winston - Are you smoking something stronger than Winstons?

Depreciation should be estimated & provided for quarterly for the banks BUT the audit does bring bring about other issues esp in 4Q.

I know one bank that over-provided in 3Q but the auditors reversed some of the loan loss provisions in 4Q...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
winston
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:32:21 AM
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@VVS- Nice one! Most companies do monthly management accounts and would factor in the depreciation (as a cost of generating the revenue) in that month's accounts. I therefore meant that depreciation will be charged monthly (in management accounts) and if it is not possible to estimate monthly then at the very least at quarter end (for that quarter in statutory disclosures, board papers etc). The year end is still a quarter end. I didnt mean that there is no depreciation charged at year end. Pole for the misconception.

Agree with the objectivity brought in by annual external audits...in unaudited accounts estimates such as depreciation, statutory reserves (insurance companies), asset valuations, bad debt provisions can depend what the preparers of the accounts want to achieve!
mozenrat
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:33:26 AM
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I think VVS has it.. Auditors will usually recommend some adjustments where they feel that some captions have received erroneous accounting treatments.. I have seen a company revising their unaudited accounts from huge profits to significant losses on the strength of these proposed adjustments.

My view is that if you notice this trend in two consecutive periods, then you'd better stop basing your share purchases on the quarterly results for that particular company... It is an indication of poor internal controls and possible fraud by managers in a bid to impress their boards.
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:48:15 AM
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In the case of this bank... It was extra cautiousness...

This was in 3Q 2008 when the Global Financial Crisis was in full swing... Also the post-election effects were being felt... but by the time the 4Q came around (audits 1Q 2009) things seemed to have improved for them...

Of course, if they had known what was in store in 2Q & 3Q 2010... they might have kept the provisions!

Also... the KRA has an interest coz specific provisions can be used to reduce taxes (tax payable) by reducing profits...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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