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FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:kaka2za wrote:FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:[quote=kaka2za]There is no way the 290 ROs will get everything right without verification.
This is a recipe for chaos. The script is simple. Didn't you hear rowdy (50 in no.) Youths Will be contracted to adopt polling stations? Police wont manage to man the polling under the circumstances, creating opportunity for multiple voting- expect 99% turnout in his strongholds. That's why he doesn't want the constituency tally verified... You have stated the ideal situation. The system will not fail but will be rendered useless. The 50 hooligans will either destroy the EVID tablet or the officer handling it will be forced to free.This will be followed by multiple voting and the Returning officer will be forced to declare the 'final results' And were only talking of evid only. Voting will be manual. We also know the tactics he said were used against him in 07&13. These are the very tactics he wants to deploy this time round, hook or crook...and some more May I suggest we read the elections act gentlemen. And we try to understand Rao better. He threw a random figure of 50 and you guys are still stuck with it. A quick glance of the elections act would have informed you that is not practical. Can I let the cat out of the bag here ? Most of our agents from Mt Kenya will be real agents of other candidates. They know which red flags to look out for. In NASA strongholds, Jubilee is doing the same. BTW some techies working with international observers are taking it a bit further. One of their crazy suggestions is to have accredited agents with a digital counter which will keep a check on actual votes cast. IEBC has procured an electronic document management system to upload all firm 34s immediately they are signed by presiding officers and agents. To put it in context, we can be looking at the scanned form 34 from kabartonjo pry school by 8pm on polling day. Ofcourse we shall have champagne bottles ready. And for you guys a suicide watch helpline.  If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:kaka2za wrote:FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:[quote=kaka2za]There is no way the 290 ROs will get everything right without verification.
This is a recipe for chaos. The script is simple. Didn't you hear rowdy (50 in no.) Youths Will be contracted to adopt polling stations? Police wont manage to man the polling under the circumstances, creating opportunity for multiple voting- expect 99% turnout in his strongholds. That's why he doesn't want the constituency tally verified... You have stated the ideal situation. The system will not fail but will be rendered useless. The 50 hooligans will either destroy the EVID tablet or the officer handling it will be forced to free.This will be followed by multiple voting and the Returning officer will be forced to declare the 'final results' And were only talking of evid only. Voting will be manual. We also know the tactics he said were used against him in 07&13. These are the very tactics he wants to deploy this time round, hook or crook...and some more May I suggest we read the elections act gentlemen. And we try to understand Rao better. He threw a random figure of 50 and you guys are still stuck with it. A quick glance of the elections act would have informed you that is not practical. Can I let the cat out of the bag here ? Most of our agents from Mt Kenya will be real agents of other candidates. They know which red flags to look out for. In NASA strongholds, Jubilee is doing the same. BTW some techies working with international observers are taking it a bit further. One of their crazy suggestions is to have accredited agents with a digital counter which will keep a check on actual votes cast. IEBC has procured an electronic document management system to upload all firm 34s immediately they are signed by presiding officers and agents. To put it in context, we can be looking at the scanned form 34 from kabartonjo pry school by 8pm on polling day. Ofcourse we shall have champagne bottles ready. And for you guys a suicide watch helpline.  Not so fast. Apparently you are not doing a good job and they want to dismiss you Quote:NASA flagbearer Raila Odinga secretariat is set for major restructuring ahead of the official campaigns, which begin on May 28.
Raila plans to mount what the alliance calls “the mother of all campaigns in Kenya’s election history”.
Raila wants a team that will outdo President Uhuru Kenyatta’s campaign in terms of communication, data collection and analysis, and execution.
He intends to lay off redundant and incompetent staff at Capitol Hill and Orange House to make room for a largely professional team.
This is part of a wider scheme to eliminate laxity at the two head offices. The new secretariat will have two levels — the back office and the political wing.
The back office is made up of experts. It has compiled data through polls and research and will be in charge of campaigns from behind the scenes.
Anyone with political interests will not be allowed on the team.
The political wing will include politicians, whose role will be to engage the masses. Orange House will only handle party activities.
The staff managing Raila will work from secluded offices.
NASA chief strategists have come up with a clear work plan for the new team — from the grassroots to the national level.
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Jump-steady wrote:FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:kaka2za wrote:FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:[quote=kaka2za]There is no way the 290 ROs will get everything right without verification.
This is a recipe for chaos. The script is simple. Didn't you hear rowdy (50 in no.) Youths Will be contracted to adopt polling stations? Police wont manage to man the polling under the circumstances, creating opportunity for multiple voting- expect 99% turnout in his strongholds. That's why he doesn't want the constituency tally verified... You have stated the ideal situation. The system will not fail but will be rendered useless. The 50 hooligans will either destroy the EVID tablet or the officer handling it will be forced to free.This will be followed by multiple voting and the Returning officer will be forced to declare the 'final results' And were only talking of evid only. Voting will be manual. We also know the tactics he said were used against him in 07&13. These are the very tactics he wants to deploy this time round, hook or crook...and some more May I suggest we read the elections act gentlemen. And we try to understand Rao better. He threw a random figure of 50 and you guys are still stuck with it. A quick glance of the elections act would have informed you that is not practical. Can I let the cat out of the bag here ? Most of our agents from Mt Kenya will be real agents of other candidates. They know which red flags to look out for. In NASA strongholds, Jubilee is doing the same. BTW some techies working with international observers are taking it a bit further. One of their crazy suggestions is to have accredited agents with a digital counter which will keep a check on actual votes cast. IEBC has procured an electronic document management system to upload all firm 34s immediately they are signed by presiding officers and agents. To put it in context, we can be looking at the scanned form 34 from kabartonjo pry school by 8pm on polling day. Ofcourse we shall have champagne bottles ready. And for you guys a suicide watch helpline. Not so fast. Apparently you are not doing a good job and they want to dismiss you Quote:NASA flagbearer Raila Odinga secretariat is set for major restructuring ahead of the official campaigns, which begin on May 28.
Raila plans to mount what the alliance calls “the mother of all campaigns in Kenya’s election history”.
Raila wants a team that will outdo President Uhuru Kenyatta’s campaign in terms of communication, data collection and analysis, and execution.
He intends to lay off redundant and incompetent staff at Capitol Hill and Orange House to make room for a largely professional team.
This is part of a wider scheme to eliminate laxity at the two head offices. The new secretariat will have two levels — the back office and the political wing.
The back office is made up of experts. It has compiled data through polls and research and will be in charge of campaigns from behind the scenes.
Anyone with political interests will not be allowed on the team.
The political wing will include politicians, whose role will be to engage the masses. Orange House will only handle party activities.
The staff managing Raila will work from secluded offices.
NASA chief strategists have come up with a clear work plan for the new team — from the grassroots to the national level. The fate of Sisyphus:figure of Greek mythology who was condemned to repeat forever the same meaningless task of pushing a boulder up a mountain, only to see it roll down again Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Don't know who else has been following this but AG made his submissions yesterday. Today, it was SC Orengo's time.
But ignoring the legal acrobatics, lets attempt a sober look at this thing. I know its a bit late for sober discussions but no harm trying.
Let me give a practical example with one of my stations. Mathira constituency in Nyeri. We have three serious contenders, Peter Weru, Rigathi Gachagua and Wambui Maranga. Each has a realistic chance of winning.
Biggest polling station in mathira is called dairy office. Here each of the above guys will send his best and most trusted agent. NCCK will send its observers, ditto any international observer. The MCAs fighting for town ward, the outcome of this single station will determine who wins. I will be hovering around myself.
Presiding officer(PO) starts by tallying the presidential votes. Of course 99% go to Uhuru. The agents are more concerned with local contests. But they note the presidential tally as an indicator of turnout.
As he opens the ballot box for MP, the tension rises. If total votes cast for president was 2,100, then a variation of over 10 votes will invite trouble from the agents.
In a nutshell, the PO has almost no headroom to engage in mischief of any kind. Plus there is a very strong disincentive hanging over the PO's head. He knows he is a small fish, he is dispensable and the only thing he wants is the kidogo chums from IEBC and by September he is back to his teaching job.
The above scenario plays out across the whole country. That's why you can trust form 34 signed by a PO and witnessed by agents.
Why would anyone wan't to adjust such figures ??
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FRM2011 wrote:
Don't know who else has been following this but AG made his submissions yesterday. Today, it was SC Orengo's time.
But ignoring the legal acrobatics, lets attempt a sober look at this thing. I know its a bit late for sober discussions but no harm trying.
Let me give a practical example with one of my stations. Mathira constituency in Nyeri. We have three serious contenders, Peter Weru, Rigathi Gachagua and Wambui Maranga. Each has a realistic chance of winning.
Biggest polling station in mathira is called dairy office. Here each of the above guys will send his best and most trusted agent. NCCK will send its observers, ditto any international observer. The MCAs fighting for town ward, the outcome of this single station will determine who wins. I will be hovering around myself.
Presiding officer(PO) starts by tallying the presidential votes. Of course 99% go to Uhuru. The agents are more concerned with local contests. But they note the presidential tally as an indicator of turnout.
As he opens the ballot box for MP, the tension rises. If total votes cast for president was 2,100, then a variation of over 10 votes will invite trouble from the agents.
In a nutshell, the PO has almost no headroom to engage in mischief of any kind. Plus there is a very strong disincentive hanging over the PO's head. He knows he is a small fish, he is dispensable and the only thing he wants is the kidogo chums from IEBC and by September he is back to his teaching job.
The above scenario plays out across the whole country. That's why you can trust form 34 signed by a PO and witnessed by agents.
Why would anyone wan't to adjust such figures ??
I too doubt anyone would want to adjust the figures even after all the agents have confirmed and signed the whatever form. All he has to do is to send to Chebukati who will then collate for the presidential vote and declare the winner. Ama namna gani. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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FRM2011 wrote:
Don't know who else has been following this but AG made his submissions yesterday. Today, it was SC Orengo's time.
But ignoring the legal acrobatics, lets attempt a sober look at this thing. I know its a bit late for sober discussions but no harm trying.
Let me give a practical example with one of my stations. Mathira constituency in Nyeri. We have three serious contenders, Peter Weru, Rigathi Gachagua and Wambui Maranga. Each has a realistic chance of winning.
Biggest polling station in mathira is called dairy office. Here each of the above guys will send his best and most trusted agent. NCCK will send its observers, ditto any international observer. The MCAs fighting for town ward, the outcome of this single station will determine who wins. I will be hovering around myself.
Presiding officer(PO) starts by tallying the presidential votes. Of course 99% go to Uhuru. The agents are more concerned with local contests. But they note the presidential tally as an indicator of turnout.
As he opens the ballot box for MP, the tension rises. If total votes cast for president was 2,100, then a variation of over 10 votes will invite trouble from the agents.
In a nutshell, the PO has almost no headroom to engage in mischief of any kind. Plus there is a very strong disincentive hanging over the PO's head. He knows he is a small fish, he is dispensable and the only thing he wants is the kidogo chums from IEBC and by September he is back to his teaching job.
The above scenario plays out across the whole country. That's why you can trust form 34 signed by a PO and witnessed by agents.
Why would anyone wan't to adjust such figures ??
Let's expand the scope of your argument.Take the case of Kikuyu Constituency, where Kimani Ichung'wa will be virtually unopposed. Do you think it would matter to him if he gets 50K and Uhunye gets 95K? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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kaka2za wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Don't know who else has been following this but AG made his submissions yesterday. Today, it was SC Orengo's time.
But ignoring the legal acrobatics, lets attempt a sober look at this thing. I know its a bit late for sober discussions but no harm trying.
Let me give a practical example with one of my stations. Mathira constituency in Nyeri. We have three serious contenders, Peter Weru, Rigathi Gachagua and Wambui Maranga. Each has a realistic chance of winning.
Biggest polling station in mathira is called dairy office. Here each of the above guys will send his best and most trusted agent. NCCK will send its observers, ditto any international observer. The MCAs fighting for town ward, the outcome of this single station will determine who wins. I will be hovering around myself.
Presiding officer(PO) starts by tallying the presidential votes. Of course 99% go to Uhuru. The agents are more concerned with local contests. But they note the presidential tally as an indicator of turnout.
As he opens the ballot box for MP, the tension rises. If total votes cast for president was 2,100, then a variation of over 10 votes will invite trouble from the agents.
In a nutshell, the PO has almost no headroom to engage in mischief of any kind. Plus there is a very strong disincentive hanging over the PO's head. He knows he is a small fish, he is dispensable and the only thing he wants is the kidogo chums from IEBC and by September he is back to his teaching job.
The above scenario plays out across the whole country. That's why you can trust form 34 signed by a PO and witnessed by agents.
Why would anyone wan't to adjust such figures ??
Let's expand the scope of your argument.Take the case of Kikuyu Constituency, where Kimani Ichung'wa will be virtually unopposed. Do you think it would matter to him if he gets 50K and Uhunye gets 95K? wacha tungoje jibu
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kaka2za wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Don't know who else has been following this but AG made his submissions yesterday. Today, it was SC Orengo's time.
But ignoring the legal acrobatics, lets attempt a sober look at this thing. I know its a bit late for sober discussions but no harm trying.
Let me give a practical example with one of my stations. Mathira constituency in Nyeri. We have three serious contenders, Peter Weru, Rigathi Gachagua and Wambui Maranga. Each has a realistic chance of winning.
Biggest polling station in mathira is called dairy office. Here each of the above guys will send his best and most trusted agent. NCCK will send its observers, ditto any international observer. The MCAs fighting for town ward, the outcome of this single station will determine who wins. I will be hovering around myself.
Presiding officer(PO) starts by tallying the presidential votes. Of course 99% go to Uhuru. The agents are more concerned with local contests. But they note the presidential tally as an indicator of turnout.
As he opens the ballot box for MP, the tension rises. If total votes cast for president was 2,100, then a variation of over 10 votes will invite trouble from the agents.
In a nutshell, the PO has almost no headroom to engage in mischief of any kind. Plus there is a very strong disincentive hanging over the PO's head. He knows he is a small fish, he is dispensable and the only thing he wants is the kidogo chums from IEBC and by September he is back to his teaching job.
The above scenario plays out across the whole country. That's why you can trust form 34 signed by a PO and witnessed by agents.
Why would anyone wan't to adjust such figures ??
Let's expand the scope of your argument.Take the case of Kikuyu Constituency, where Kimani Ichung'wa will be virtually unopposed. Do you think it would matter to him if he gets 50K and Uhunye gets 95K? Lets assume its kikuyu township primary school. Both Kabogo and wakahare agents will be there. Same for wamatangi and Karungo. The senate one will likely go down to the wire. So a difference of one vote makes a difference. Same for the MCAs. At the polling station level, the PO will always record votes as he counted them. The RO for constituency is in an even more precarious situation. His job is simply to add up the form 34 as they have been presented to him. With the advent of citizen journalism, each form 34 will be made public in a matter of minutes.
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I am also assuming most of us know the myth mostly told by our guys that there were two million people who only voted for president and no other seat is not true.
The biggest variation in votes cast for the president and other seats was in Meru county. And it was only 5,000 votes.
Back to presiding officers. In case of a dispute, a petition will almost likely result in criminal prosecution. While the IEBC commissioners are untouchable, the PO will find himself in a lot of trouble.
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FRM2011 wrote:
I am also assuming most of us know the myth mostly told by our guys that there were two million people who only voted for president and no other seat is not true.
The biggest variation in votes cast for the president and other seats was in Meru county. And it was only 5,000 votes.
Back to presiding officers. In case of a dispute, a petition will almost likely result in criminal prosecution. While the IEBC commissioners are untouchable, the PO will find himself in a lot of trouble.
You mostly sound reasonably objective but you occasionally get flippant Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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