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AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:Israel Minister cites the Bible as proof of Israel's right to the West Bank.Quote:Last week, in a joint press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, US President Donald Trump surprised the world by appearing to dismiss a long-standing US commitment to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Prominent hard-right Israeli Education Minister, Naftali Bennett, welcomed the statement saying: "The era of a Palestinian state is over."
"There already exists two states for the Palestinians: one in Gaza, a full blown state run by Hamas, and the other is Jordan, where 70 percent of the citizens are, indeed, Palestinians," Bennett told UpFront.
"So, the discussion is whether we need a third Palestinian state smack in the heart of Israel, and the answer is no."
When asked about the Israeli Supreme Court's 2005 ruling describing the West Bank as under "belligerent occupation", Bennett called it a "political decision" and cited the Bible as proof of Israel's right to the West Bank.
"If you want to say that our land does not belong to us, I suggest you go change the Bible first," says Bennett.
In this week's Headliner, we challenge the Israeli education minister and prominent right-wing leader Naftali Bennett. @nandwa, with all your brains and critical thinking you always try to display, what happens to the same brain when it comes to this matter? Are you also doing selective reasoning just like the Prime Ministter is doing to the Bible? Why haven't you questioned him if he believes in the parts of Bible which talks about Jesus Christ as the messiah? Anybody can cite the Bible, even a parrot can... I'm afraid Netanyahu and his clique are like parrots, they live their lives repeating or quoting the Bible with their tongues, but their hearts don't really know it... they only care about what serves their interests... Unfortunately, with many Christians like you, just follow like sheep, making fool of yourself for taking Jews like gods or special race...No wonder @hamburglar wonders what kind God is promoting racism in the Bible... You got bile brother... wa wa wa wa! I just quoted an article - with absolutely NO comment of mine - in which an Israel minister one Naftali, is taken to task by Mehdi Hasan a Journalist with Aljazeera. Then this  Please dont always let dogma get the better of you. You are making too many assumptions based on intuitions! Try and free yourself from dogma. Sorry, if I came out too hard, but realize they are a secular state, and do not care about your Jesus by the way or your Bible that much. They misuse your Bible at their own selfish end. So do not be a parrot too bro like them. Hapo sawa, as is evident above. Of course Israel is a democracy and not a theocracy - and that's a non controversial fact, one that the Minister in that clip asserts and Mehdi Hassan agrees to. As regards your multiple accusation on me - I am lost for words! All that aside, I learnt something from that clip - The Israel's point of view on the matter. Whether or not they quote the Bible out of context is neither here nor there. But I must also ask you a question that I hope you will be bold enough to answer! Do you agree with some parts of the Bible and disagree with others? Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Nandwa wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:Israel Minister cites the Bible as proof of Israel's right to the West Bank.Quote:Last week, in a joint press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, US President Donald Trump surprised the world by appearing to dismiss a long-standing US commitment to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Prominent hard-right Israeli Education Minister, Naftali Bennett, welcomed the statement saying: "The era of a Palestinian state is over."
"There already exists two states for the Palestinians: one in Gaza, a full blown state run by Hamas, and the other is Jordan, where 70 percent of the citizens are, indeed, Palestinians," Bennett told UpFront.
"So, the discussion is whether we need a third Palestinian state smack in the heart of Israel, and the answer is no."
When asked about the Israeli Supreme Court's 2005 ruling describing the West Bank as under "belligerent occupation", Bennett called it a "political decision" and cited the Bible as proof of Israel's right to the West Bank.
"If you want to say that our land does not belong to us, I suggest you go change the Bible first," says Bennett.
In this week's Headliner, we challenge the Israeli education minister and prominent right-wing leader Naftali Bennett. @nandwa, with all your brains and critical thinking you always try to display, what happens to the same brain when it comes to this matter? Are you also doing selective reasoning just like the Prime Ministter is doing to the Bible? Why haven't you questioned him if he believes in the parts of Bible which talks about Jesus Christ as the messiah? Anybody can cite the Bible, even a parrot can... I'm afraid Netanyahu and his clique are like parrots, they live their lives repeating or quoting the Bible with their tongues, but their hearts don't really know it... they only care about what serves their interests... Unfortunately, with many Christians like you, just follow like sheep, making fool of yourself for taking Jews like gods or special race...No wonder @hamburglar wonders what kind God is promoting racism in the Bible... You got bile brother... wa wa wa wa! I just quoted an article - with absolutely NO comment of mine - in which an Israel minister one Naftali, is taken to task by Mehdi Hasan a Journalist with Aljazeera. Then this Please dont always let dogma get the better of you. You are making too many assumptions based on intuitions! Try and free yourself from dogma. Sorry, if I came out too hard, but realize they are a secular state, and do not care about your Jesus by the way or your Bible that much. They misuse your Bible at their own selfish end. So do not be a parrot too bro like them. Hapo sawa, as is evident above. Of course Israel is a democracy and not a theocracy - and that's a non controversial fact, one that the Minister in that clip asserts and Mehdi Hassan agrees to. As regards your multiple accusation on me - I am lost for words! All that aside, I learnt something from that clip - The Israel's point of view on the matter. Whether or not they quote the Bible out of context is neither here nor there. But I must also ask you a question that I hope you will be bold enough to answer! Do you agree with some parts of the Bible and disagree with others? Answer to your question: yes.
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AlphDoti wrote:@nandwa, INJUSTICE CANNOT BE PROPHESIED. Unless you're admitting that your God is unjust God... Those who quote the Bible, they leave out a significant part of Bible which says " if you return to me". They just quote the part which says "people will be gathered together". They also quote Isaiah 10... which talks about the remnants. But the remnants are the righteous remnants. I don't see how Israel as it stands can be a fulfillment of the prophesy which says if you go that way, you're going to loose the land not gain it. Sadness is that Christians are using the Bible in such a way that they support what is going on at the fate of Palestinians some of whom are their Christian brothers. I think that is injustice. @nandwa, as I indicated to you earlier, the Jews again and again persistently became sinful people and God was upset with them. And due to their persistent evil, God promised them His wrath. And they did not change their evils ways. Eventually, the window of turning back was closed as confirmed in Deut 28:68: Deuteronomy 28:68: And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
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AlphDoti wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@nandwa, INJUSTICE CANNOT BE PROPHESIED. Unless you're admitting that your God is unjust God... Those who quote the Bible, they leave out a significant part of Bible which says " if you return to me". They just quote the part which says "people will be gathered together". They also quote Isaiah 10... which talks about the remnants. But the remnants are the righteous remnants. I don't see how Israel as it stands can be a fulfillment of the prophesy which says if you go that way, you're going to loose the land not gain it. Sadness is that Christians are using the Bible in such a way that they support what is going on at the fate of Palestinians some of whom are their Christian brothers. I think that is injustice. @nandwa, as I indicated to you earlier, the Jews again and again persistently became sinful people and God was upset with them. And due to their persistent evil, God promised them His wrath. And they did not change their evils ways. Eventually, the window of turning back was closed as confirmed in Deut 28:68: Deuteronomy 28:68: And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Save for the settlement matter, people generally see Israel and Jews in general very favourably. Their positive contribution to human development is very significant. Part of it informed of sympathy - noting that Israel has endured immense hostility not only from her neighbours but also from..... you know who... I wish Israel's neighbours would adopt a temperate approach and get their 'clients' around the world to follow suit. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Nandwa wrote:AlphDoti wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@nandwa, INJUSTICE CANNOT BE PROPHESIED. Unless you're admitting that your God is unjust God... Those who quote the Bible, they leave out a significant part of Bible which says " if you return to me". They just quote the part which says "people will be gathered together". They also quote Isaiah 10... which talks about the remnants. But the remnants are the righteous remnants. I don't see how Israel as it stands can be a fulfillment of the prophesy which says if you go that way, you're going to loose the land not gain it. Sadness is that Christians are using the Bible in such a way that they support what is going on at the fate of Palestinians some of whom are their Christian brothers. I think that is injustice. @nandwa, as I indicated to you earlier, the Jews again and again persistently became sinful people and God was upset with them. And due to their persistent evil, God promised them His wrath. And they did not change their evils ways. Eventually, the window of turning back was closed as confirmed in Deut 28:68: Deuteronomy 28:68: And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Save for the settlement matter, people generally see Israel and Jews in general very favourably. Their positive contribution to human development is very significant. Part of it informed of sympathy - noting that Israel has endured immense hostility not only from her neighbours but also from..... you know who... I wish Israel's neighbours would adopt a temperate approach and get their 'clients' around the world to follow suit. The majority is not necessarily right, especially if they are for INJUSTICE. Your own Bible says so: Matthew 7:13-14 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.Majority of the people in old days were not right. Examples: The majority of people were wrong in the days when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18:20-33). Example: Joseph had eleven brothers, and they all hated him i.e. eleven to one, and the majority was wrong. Pilate stood before the angry mob ( the majority) and said, " Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?" (Mark 15:9), and they cried out, " Crucify him" (Mark 15:13). " Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him" (Mark 15:14). So majority of Jews rejected truth, which Jesus preached to them and wanted to kill him. When he returns, the majority of the Jews and other people i.e. Gentiles will try again to kill him. So, as for Israelite, the window of turning back was closed as confirmed in Deut 28:68... They are on their way to destruction.
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I think Jews have had a "largely" positive contribution to humanity... the issue of settlement on other peoples lands and their role in the slave trade are perhaps some of their more pronounced blots! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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I agree with you on this one @mavegs
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masukuma wrote:I think Jews have had a "largely" positive contribution to humanity... the issue of settlement on other peoples lands and their role in the slave trade are perhaps some of their more pronounced blots! If brother @alphDoti agrees with you (sic) I fail to see why he doesnt agree with me too! To add onto your observation, on the question of Slave trade and slavery - in retrospection, it indicts many other and diverse people of the world, whites, Arabs and indeed Africans themselves. A sad chapter in human history. Nandwa wrote:
Save for the settlement matter, people generally see Israel and Jews in general very favourably.
Their positive contribution to human development is very significant.
Part of it informed of sympathy - noting that Israel has endured immense hostility not only from her neighbours but also from..... you know who...
I wish Israel's neighbours would adopt a temperate approach and get their 'clients' around the world to follow suit.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Nandwa wrote:
Save for the settlement matter, people generally see Israel and Jews in general very favourably.
Their positive contribution to human development is very significant.
Part of it informed of sympathy - noting that Israel has endured immense hostility not only from her neighbours but also from..... you know who...
I wish Israel's neighbours would adopt a temperate approach and get their 'clients' around the world to follow suit.
Which people are these? Outside of the conservative western nations in particular. Modern day Israel is actively engaged in an apartheid policy in Palestine and has actively participated in an arms race in the most volatile region on this earth.
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Nandwa wrote:masukuma wrote:I think Jews have had a "largely" positive contribution to humanity... the issue of settlement on other peoples lands and their role in the slave trade are perhaps some of their more pronounced blots! If brother @alphDoti agrees with you (sic) I fail to see why he doesnt agree with me too! To add onto your observation, on the question of Slave trade and slavery - in retrospection, it indicts many other and diverse people of the world, whites, Arabs and indeed Africans themselves. A sad chapter in human history. @Nandwa, coz you are biased to one side. Just like the way you mis-reported by putting a on-sided headline "King Salman to consolidate Indonesia" leaving out Japan, China, Brunei etc... passing a wrong picture that he's only visiting Indonesia! 
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AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:masukuma wrote:I think Jews have had a "largely" positive contribution to humanity... the issue of settlement on other peoples lands and their role in the slave trade are perhaps some of their more pronounced blots! If brother @alphDoti agrees with you (sic) I fail to see why he doesnt agree with me too! To add onto your observation, on the question of Slave trade and slavery - in retrospection, it indicts many other and diverse people of the world, whites, Arabs and indeed Africans themselves. A sad chapter in human history. @Nandwa, coz you are biased to one side. Just like the way you mis-reported by putting a on-sided headline "King Salman to consolidate Indonesia" leaving out Japan, China, Brunei etc... passing a wrong picture that he's only visiting Indonesia! So evasive its comical! One can never bury the truth though. I already dispensed with areas where I think Israelis have erred. But on the same breath I will call out the unreasonable brigade across Middle East and their ‘client base’ that continues to hold stubborn and dogmatic position on the very existence of Israel. If Israel weren’t resolute they would probably not be in existence today. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Israel Police demolish Jewish settler homes in West Bank - in accordance with an Israel court orderQuote:Ofra (Palestinian Territories) (AFP) - Israeli police began Tuesday demolishing nine West Bank settler homes declared illegal by the Supreme Court, despite hundreds of protesters barricading themselves in them. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Nandwa wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:masukuma wrote:I think Jews have had a "largely" positive contribution to humanity... the issue of settlement on other peoples lands and their role in the slave trade are perhaps some of their more pronounced blots! If brother @alphDoti agrees with you (sic) I fail to see why he doesnt agree with me too! To add onto your observation, on the question of Slave trade and slavery - in retrospection, it indicts many other and diverse people of the world, whites, Arabs and indeed Africans themselves. A sad chapter in human history. @Nandwa, coz you are biased to one side. Just like the way you mis-reported by putting a on-sided headline "King Salman to consolidate Indonesia" leaving out Japan, China, Brunei etc... passing a wrong picture that he's only visiting Indonesia! So evasive its comical! One can never bury the truth though. I already dispensed with areas where I think Israelis have erred. But on the same breath I will call out the unreasonable brigade across Middle East and their ‘client base’ that continues to hold stubborn and dogmatic position on the very existence of Israel. If Israel weren’t resolute they would probably not be in existence today. I feel you. I am aware of all the conventional misinformation that has been spread around that it is Middle East position to destroy Israel or "wipe it off the map" ( as alluded) @Nandwa, I see you fell for that lie. And this is so ridiculous. The U.N. itself has suggested that this widely cited statement by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was actually a mistranslation. This phrase "Wipe off the map" is untrue. Unfortunately, it has become fashionable for some people to use it against countries that are anti-Israeli foreign policy.
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chemirocha wrote:Nandwa wrote:
Save for the settlement matter, people generally see Israel and Jews in general very favourably.
Their positive contribution to human development is very significant.
Part of it informed of sympathy - noting that Israel has endured immense hostility not only from her neighbours but also from..... you know who...
I wish Israel's neighbours would adopt a temperate approach and get their 'clients' around the world to follow suit.
Which people are these? Outside of the conservative western nations in particular. Modern day Israel is actively engaged in an apartheid policy in Palestine and has actively participated in an arms race in the most volatile region on this earth. Unfortunatley, with this blind support for Israel, when it becomes the world Superpower, they will bring back Jewish religion. I want to remind Christians like @nandwa, that they should not forget it is Jewish teaching that Jesus, the son of Mary, is considered to be a ‘bastard’ and an ‘imposter’ whose death "by hanging". It stated in Deuteronomy 21:23 that crucifixion as a form of hanging, where Jews confirmed him as "the cursed of the Lord-God" So this will shock them Christians who have been cheated into supporting a European + Jewish ally thinking they are supporting a Biblical prophecy... This blindness might continue until the true Messiah, the son of Mary, returns and destroys the FALSE Messiah (Anti-Christ). That would be the only time Christians will wake up to the reality of the deception. Unfortunately, that will be too late to change direction, as God's punishment of the Israel's godlessness, wickedness and oppression will have already landed...
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Israel exploiting the fissures in Islam World to curry favour with the Arab neighboursQuote:The U.S.-Israel proposal encompasses almost all Arab States, including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and other members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, as well as Egypt, Jordan and possibly Lebanon and Tunisia.
This proposal’s principal objective is a wider Arab-Israeli peace agreement and an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. However, the key selling point behind this initiative is mutual concerns regarding Iran, and the proposal has a goal to present a unified front against the Islamic Republic.
Netanyahu stated during the press conference that “for the first time in my lifetime, and for the first time in the life of my country, Arab countries in the region do not see Israel as an enemy, but, increasingly, as an ally.” He further stated that “the great opportunity for peace comes from a regional approach involving our newfound Arab partners in the pursuit of a broader peace with the Palestinians.” Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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European Union snub on IsraelQuote:BRUSSELS (AP) — European Union foreign ministers are to discuss whether to hold high-level talks with Israel soon amid concern over its settlement policy and commitment to a two-state solution, diplomats said Friday.
The diplomats said the EU must be clear in its dealings with Israel, especially given the U.S. administration's unclear position on the decades-long conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.
One said that any future official talks with Israel could not be "business as usual. Things have to be said very clearly to the Israelis."
The diplomats briefed reporters about Monday's foreign affairs talks in Brussels on the condition that they are not named.
The Palestinians want the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem — territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war — for their future state.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Russia says it now recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capitalQuote:Russia recognizes west Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated in a surprise announcement on Thursday, obtained exclusively by The Jerusalem Post. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Russia risks show down with Israel over Syria, - or is it the other way round!Quote:The theater this time is Syria, but the precipitating factor for the next conflict — believe it or not — isn’t Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad’s use of chemical weapons against his own people. It is Iran’s most lethal proxy, Hezbollah. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Hamas defanged!Quote:Hamas leader issues direct plea to Trump to seize 'historic opportunity'.
Hamas concessions In the new policy document, Hamas -- for the first time -- indicated the group was willing to accept the idea of a future Palestinian state falling within borders that existed in 1967, before Israel took control of the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Israelis Clamour for Palestinians SateQuote:Tel Aviv (AFP) - Thousands of Israelis rallied Saturday in Tel Aviv in support of a Palestinian state ahead of the 50th anniversary of Israel's occupation of Palestinian land.
Banners bearing the slogan "Two states, One Hope" featured in the demonstration organised by supporters of a Palestinian state, including the Israeli NGO Peace Now. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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