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tycho
#161 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:53:11 AM
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masukuma wrote:
mbona naona kama Raila anaweza tu-shock? Aseme Ma-DVD tosha just to spite people?


Yaani you're part of this mole biz? Such a move won't spite anyone. It will be the expected move.
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segemia
#162 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:18:00 AM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
mbona naona kama Raila anaweza tu-shock? Aseme Ma-DVD tosha just to spite people?


Yaani you're part of this mole biz? Such a move won't spite anyone. It will be the expected move.

The tosha thing must be accompanied by some power trapings. What do you suppose the tosha fellow will get? The deputy president or the non existent chief minister or the speaker of the national assembly?
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tycho
#163 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:04:32 PM
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segemia wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
mbona naona kama Raila anaweza tu-shock? Aseme Ma-DVD tosha just to spite people?


Yaani you're part of this mole biz? Such a move won't spite anyone. It will be the expected move.

The tosha thing must be accompanied by some power trapings. What do you suppose the tosha fellow will get? The deputy president or the non existent chief minister or the speaker of the national assembly?


It's very difficult for NASA to win, whoever leads the pack. So the question you're asking is probably about retirement benefits, some 'capital' and promises that children and kin aren't left out of the eating in future.

And an exit with a saved face. Which is much.
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masukuma
#164 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:15:16 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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NASA would rather ‘lose’ with Raila than win with Mudavadi


With friends like these - who needs enemies?
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FRM2011
#165 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:47:36 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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NASA would rather ‘lose’ with Raila than win with Mudavadi


With friends like these - who needs enemies?


@masukuma, I made the mistake of opening the link only to meet the most uneducated political commentary I have ever read.

Apparently the writer, a Daystar graduate of course, is capital FM's political commentator. If that's mainstream media, why do we act surprised with Cyprian nyakundi ?
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limanika
#166 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:54:18 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
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NASA is a good idea, 15 yrs ago. The rainbow coalition. But to copy paste the same idea and expect same results 15 yrs later is worst mistake these guys ever made. Tell you what? The best idea would be for Kalonzo-MADVD to team up. The next best idea is everyone for himself. That way you get to negotiate during run-off....


Actually, the situation now mirrors 2002. And it's not just about facing the same candidate. Have a look at the KNBS report on consumer prices y-o-y. Or compare to 2012.

Things are bad. What Moi had borrowed cumulatively in his 24 year rule is what Jubilee grabs in a single scandal. But Moi knew how to run an inclusive govt. With Jubilee, the cake hardly reaches about 40 communities.

Take my word. Uhuru got 180K votes in Kisii and Nyamira. This time 30K will be a miracle.


Everything’s different compared to 2002:
.There’s no break-up of ruling party
.The incumbent is running
.Rao said ‘Tosha’ in 2002. He isn’t saying so in 2017
.The winning team from opposition in 2002 wasn’t running together in 1997
.2002 we had first past the post system. 2017 were are under 50+1 rule
.2002 you could run for president and MP same time, 2017 you run for president if you lose you stay in the cold

Etc, etc
In other words there’s a whole world of difference. It beats logic why one would want to employ same tactics for very different circumstances. It’s like buying Nokia 3310 today (very popular in 2002) and expect it to work like a smartphone..

Only chance for NASA is Kalooser and MADVD to break away and team up…
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#167 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 5:11:02 PM
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limanika wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
limanika wrote:
NASA is a good idea, 15 yrs ago. The rainbow coalition. But to copy paste the same idea and expect same results 15 yrs later is worst mistake these guys ever made. Tell you what? The best idea would be for Kalonzo-MADVD to team up. The next best idea is everyone for himself. That way you get to negotiate during run-off....


Actually, the situation now mirrors 2002. And it's not just about facing the same candidate. Have a look at the KNBS report on consumer prices y-o-y. Or compare to 2012.

Things are bad. What Moi had borrowed cumulatively in his 24 year rule is what Jubilee grabs in a single scandal. But Moi knew how to run an inclusive govt. With Jubilee, the cake hardly reaches about 40 communities.

Take my word. Uhuru got 180K votes in Kisii and Nyamira. This time 30K will be a miracle.


Everything’s different compared to 2002:
.There’s no break-up of ruling party
.The incumbent is running
.Rao said ‘Tosha’ in 2002. He isn’t saying so in 2017
.The winning team from opposition in 2002 wasn’t running together in 1997
.2002 we had first past the post system. 2017 were are under 50+1 rule
.2002 you could run for president and MP same time, 2017 you run for president if you lose you stay in the cold

Etc, etc
In other words there’s a whole world of difference. It beats logic why one would want to employ same tactics for very different circumstances. It’s like buying Nokia 3310 today (very popular in 2002) and expect it to work like a smartphone..

Only chance for NASA is Kalooser and MADVD to break away and team up…


MaDVD has been promised Chief Minister though his people say "Chief Minister ni wewe". Honestly, I think this is the highest he will ever rise (apart fron the few odd weeks he was the VP of the dying KANU government). Kalooser has also reached his pinnacle if the principals don't give him the mantle this time round. Aliar is past his sell by date.
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#168 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 8:54:14 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
limanika wrote:
NASA is a good idea, 15 yrs ago. The rainbow coalition. But to copy paste the same idea and expect same results 15 yrs later is worst mistake these guys ever made. Tell you what? The best idea would be for Kalonzo-MADVD to team up. The next best idea is everyone for himself. That way you get to negotiate during run-off....


Actually, the situation now mirrors 2002. And it's not just about facing the same candidate. Have a look at the KNBS report on consumer prices y-o-y. Or compare to 2012.

Things are bad. What Moi had borrowed cumulatively in his 24 year rule is what Jubilee grabs in a single scandal. But Moi knew how to run an inclusive govt. With Jubilee, the cake hardly reaches about 40 communities.

Take my word. Uhuru got 180K votes in Kisii and Nyamira. This time 30K will be a miracle.


Kenyans united to get rid of Moi and KANU in 2002. As it's said, a dog could have won the election as long as it was not on a KANU ticket.
It's true that things are not great right now but unlike 2002, this time the opposition is made up of tried and tested crooks as well. So the vote this time round is for the crooks you prefer and the field is pretty even.

BBI will solve it :)
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#169 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 10:36:04 AM
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Kalonzo and Mdvd are being a tad dishonest here. They have been quiet for the past 4.5 years as RAO has been battling the govt. Come election time they are claiming it's their turn. There are no turns when it comes to leadership. There's no some on off button to be pressed every election cycle. If they want to build credentials then they have to work every morning to evening and earn the respect that gives them the big seat.

They know that whichever method they choose to select the NASA bearer Will end with a RAO nomination. They need to take whatever is offered and work hard to build their creds for 2022. In any case, this election is a foregone victory for UK
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#170 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 11:13:49 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Kalonzo and Mdvd are being a tad dishonest here. They have been quiet for the past 4.5 years as RAO has been battling the govt. Come election time they are claiming it's their turn. There are no turns when it comes to leadership. There's no some on off button to be pressed every election cycle. If they want to build credentials then they have to work every morning to evening and earn the respect that gives them the big seat.

They know that whichever method they choose to select the NASA bearer Will end with a RAO nomination. They need to take whatever is offered and work hard to build their creds for 2022. In any case, this election is a foregone victory for UK

You also have to know at the back of their minds they don't want a crowded 2022, uhuru will have retired whatever happens in 2017, ruto will run whatever happens in 2017. Raila is the only one they can force to retire.
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#171 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 1:29:08 PM
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shocks wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Kalonzo and Mdvd are being a tad dishonest here. They have been quiet for the past 4.5 years as RAO has been battling the govt. Come election time they are claiming it's their turn. There are no turns when it comes to leadership. There's no some on off button to be pressed every election cycle. If they want to build credentials then they have to work every morning to evening and earn the respect that gives them the big seat.

They know that whichever method they choose to select the NASA bearer Will end with a RAO nomination. They need to take whatever is offered and work hard to build their creds for 2022. In any case, this election is a foregone victory for UK

You also have to know at the back of their minds they don't want a crowded 2022, uhuru will have retired whatever happens in 2017, ruto will run whatever happens in 2017. Raila is the only one they can force to retire.


Billboard and mdvd do not add much value to NASA.Rao dominates western without and inspite of them.

Kalonzo, Joho and Isaac Ruto are more relevant to RAO's plans

http://www.nation.co.ke/...92432-wf92qq/index.html

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masukuma
#172 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 1:43:28 PM
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NASA ni ya nani?
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#173 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 2:59:46 PM
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We may see "movement" anytime from Friday probably using jubilee nominations as a cover juu lazima kutakuwa drama.By the time the dust settles on both sides tutakuwa tunajua chief minister ni nani
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