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AlphDoti
#21 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:10:49 PM
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This problem is caused by environment and the kind of exposure child faced during upbringing. It is the consequence of wrong exposure to such things while growing up...

It might start when young girls play with each others genitals, or young boys experiencing with their genitals and as they do it, they might like the feeling. What happens is that sexual urge rises in the child while growing up towards the same gender and they ended up develop such habits.
AlphDoti
#22 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:17:29 PM
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As I wrote before (Posted: Tue, Jan 07, 2014 12:01:45 PM)

It takes a lot of effort to raise children. As a parent, you must put extra effort to try and make your children grow normal, and avoid influence that might lead into bad habit. Let me highlight the teachings of Islam that might be of help to us, especially parents.

The Prophet of Islam has said:
1. When the child reaches the age of 7 years, arrange a separate bed for him/her.
2. When girls reach 10 years, they must have separate individual beds, but the beds can be in same room.
3. When boys and girls reach ten years, they must have separate rooms and separate individual beds.
4. A man should not kiss his 6/7 year old daughter, and a woman should not kiss her seven year old son.

Other teachings
1. It is not proper that a four years old son takes a shower along with his mother. Similarly a four years old daughter should not bathe with her father.
2. The children and youth should NOT remain alone doing nothing, they might experiment and engage in some bad habits.
3. The private parts of a small boy must be kept covered, not exposed, to his other siblings. (I know most of you will ask what about those Turkanas walking naked)
4. The husband and wife should not sleep on one bed in the presence of their children. They should do their private relationship without giving a hint about it to the children.
5. A girl 6/7 years old should not sleep in same bed with another, even her own mother, "If a mother rubs her body against the body of her own daughter, she is doing a sort of molestation"
AlphDoti
#23 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:23:03 PM
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I disagree with those who insist that this is biological.

Such people remained alone doing nothing while they were children and youth, and they ended up experimenting among themselves and they liked the feeling, ended up engaging. Eventually became a habit. Unfortunately...
AlphDoti
#24 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:49:24 PM
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Sexual urge is natural, Sex and sexuality, that is natural.

But finding sexual pleasure within same gender is unnatural manifestation of a natural urge.

I know some people say this is beyond their control. They say they don't find women. And he says he was created this way. In response to this, we cannot go to biological arguments, because we know one thing; every one of us has temptation and desires that sometimes are harmful to us. Speaking from the point of view of Islam, my religion tells us that one of the job of the religion is to protect us from those temptations that would harm us.

LET US LOOK AT OTHER EXAMPLES OF TEMPTATIONS WHICH ARE HARMFUL TO US IF GIVEN IN.

Example 1: I'm a man and I have no quarrel in admitting that as a man I'm attracted to beautiful women. This is part and parcel of being a man. I'm sure big percentage of my fellow men agree that a beautiful woman has effects on us. Now, does that justify me lusting after every beautiful woman on earth? Does that justify me saying you know what, I can't help it? Should I go for every lady that I see beautiful? Would anybody agree to such type of logic?

Example 2: the kleptomania, those with a recurrent urge to steal, typically without regard for need or profit. One of them will say, I have plenty of money, but as I walk on the street and I see stuff on that I can put in my pocket, there is this urge inside me I can't help it, I just want to take it and steal it. What if he says this in a court of law and the judge says well it is okay God created you to be a kleptomaniac so go ahead.

Example 3: what if a murderer says I can't help it. This urge is coming to me and I just want to kill people. Of course I'm not equating murder to homosexuality but what if this person says I can't help it.

The answer is, no you can help it. The urge might be beyond your control but you can cater to it by blocking it. Or channeling it in a permissible manner.

So back to my example, if I have a lust for a woman who is not permissible to me to lust after, well then I have to control the urge. And I have to find happiness within the confine of marriage. And that's what my religions tells us to do.
Drobos fly
#25 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:28:28 PM
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Let's just take for instance a very random example about a renowned world con artist. We all know that the skill to con is first practiced, learned and perfected in life through exposure, so nothing biological there. Say this con artist in his lifetime of evading capture, had an affair with someone of the opposite sex and because of the nature of his work, he couldn't stay around to father his kid.

Here is where it gets very, very, very interesting. This kid grows up, fatherless, but somehow without anyone's intervention, becomes a con artist! See what's going on here.

There are one too many examples that I will not go into at this time. One would reason it is totally biological but that's not true. There's noting good about stealing, if anything it breaks one of the ten commandments and here we are seeing it illogically being passed down generations. It has everything to do with generational curses visiting to the fourth generation.

So essentially if homosexuality was being practiced in the first generation, somehow it get's sucked into the family lineage and more complicated identities start arising leading to the presence of transgenderism in that family lineage. The patterns in life never change!

masukuma wrote:

Do the Jews follow their ancient teachings?


That's flawed. Jews are human as much as we all are. You can't use them as a yardstick to determine your own actions. The faith originated with God, not with the Jews. The thing unique about them is that they are God's chosen nation (the apple of God's eye) and through them, the faith came.

Better even, who do you think you are going to be accountable to for every careless uttered word/action you did at the end of time before the great white throne of judgement? Do you think your question is going to mean anything?


AlphDoti wrote:
This problem is caused by environment and the kind of exposure child faced during upbringing. It is the consequence of wrong exposure to such things while growing up...

It might start when young girls play with each others genitals, or young boys experiencing with their genitals and as they do it, they might like the feeling. What happens is that sexual urge rises in the child while growing up towards the same gender and they ended up develop such habits.


Very true, that is the problem... Moral decay. In Christian terms, we call it building of mental strongholds (some are negative others are positive). These mental strongholds in many circumstances may take an equivalent amount of time to break through rehabilitation. Same exact thing with drugs, same exact thing with pornography, same exact thing with alcoholism.

AlphDoti wrote:
I disagree with those who insist that this is biological.

Such people remained alone doing nothing while they were children and youth, and they ended up experimenting among themselves and they liked the feeling, ended up engaging. Eventually became a habit. Unfortunately...


Very true! I am convinced, there is a state of mind which takes a disease like form in a person where vivid reasoning and definition between right and wrong morals seize to exist completely. To you, you can't explain or fathom how or what could lead such a person to go ahead and commit such acts of immorality and state that they were born like that.

masukuma
#26 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:59:00 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
This problem is caused by environment and the kind of exposure child faced during upbringing. It is the consequence of wrong exposure to such things while growing up...

It might start when young girls play with each others genitals, or young boys experiencing with their genitals and as they do it, they might like the feeling. What happens is that sexual urge rises in the child while growing up towards the same gender and they ended up develop such habits.

how would you know?

again... what about intersex...
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Apricot
#27 Posted : Friday, April 14, 2017 4:49:39 AM
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You know what else is not biological? Pseudo-intellectualism. It must only require that you hastily jot down whatever first thought that comes to mind – however mind boggling - as long as it massages your vanity. Leaves a smirk on your face at the thought of how intelligent you sound! Great thinker and scribe. Effortless. Perhaps a product of one’s environment since biology does not apply.

It allows you to invent assertions (usually fallacious) and hold them as truths (often not) and self-evident (logic is often hard to follow), sprinkled with some religiosity (the only selective unrelated evidence) as an anchor. Woe to you that offer alternate thought and you are reminded how futile your access to the white throne will be (whiteness and heavenly - what to make of that? ). Someone once said “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
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masukuma
#28 Posted : Friday, April 14, 2017 7:58:03 AM
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Apricot wrote:
You know what else is not biological? Pseudo-intellectualism. It must only require that you hastily jot down whatever first thought that comes to mind – however mind boggling - as long as it massages your vanity. Leaves a smirk on your face at the thought of how intelligent you sound! Great thinker and scribe. Effortless. Perhaps a product of one’s environment since biology does not apply.

It allows you to invent assertions (usually fallacious) and hold them as truths (often not) and self-evident (logic is often hard to follow), sprinkled with some religiosity (the only selective unrelated evidence) as an anchor. Woe to you that offer alternate thought and you are reminded how futile your access to the white throne will be (whiteness and heavenly - what to make of that? ). Someone once said “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

it's called closed loop thinking - I remember reading about a british Naturalist called Philip Henry Gosse who wrote a book titled 'Omphalos'. in the book he insists that the world was created in 4004BC (circa 6021 years ago) and God created lots of apparent fossils to make the world look older than it actually is. This 'trick' by God is what has been misleading scientists since they discovered dating and fossils. It was great since all evidence related to dating that would be found would be proof to his theory and his theory would be invincible. except that closed loop thinking is like an armchair - keeps us busy and takes us no where!
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Drobos fly
#29 Posted : Friday, April 14, 2017 1:41:51 PM
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Apricot wrote:
You know what else is not biological? Pseudo-intellectualism. It must only require that you hastily jot down whatever first thought that comes to mind – however mind boggling - as long as it massages your vanity. Leaves a smirk on your face at the thought of how intelligent you sound! Great thinker and scribe. Effortless. Perhaps a product of one’s environment since biology does not apply.

It allows you to invent assertions (usually fallacious) and hold them as truths (often not) and self-evident (logic is often hard to follow), sprinkled with some religiosity (the only selective unrelated evidence) as an anchor. Woe to you that offer alternate thought and you are reminded how futile your access to the white throne will be (whiteness and heavenly - what to make of that? ). Someone once said “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”


Ati pseudo-intellectualism, without evidence, fallacies and inventions........... wah! you have a very high degree of selective reading & thought processing but I expect nothing short of that from you. Your clowning skills are impressive!

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Apricot
#30 Posted : Friday, April 14, 2017 10:22:19 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Apricot wrote:
You know what else is not biological? Pseudo-intellectualism. It must only require that you hastily jot down whatever first thought that comes to mind – however mind boggling - as long as it massages your vanity. Leaves a smirk on your face at the thought of how intelligent you sound! Great thinker and scribe. Effortless. Perhaps a product of one’s environment since biology does not apply.

It allows you to invent assertions (usually fallacious) and hold them as truths (often not) and self-evident (logic is often hard to follow), sprinkled with some religiosity (the only selective unrelated evidence) as an anchor. Woe to you that offer alternate thought and you are reminded how futile your access to the white throne will be (whiteness and heavenly - what to make of that? ). Someone once said “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

it's called closed loop thinking - I remember reading about a british Naturalist called Philip Henry Gosse who wrote a book titled 'Omphalos'. in the book he insists that the world was created in 4004BC (circa 6021 years ago) and God created lots of apparent fossils to make the world look older than it actually is. This 'trick' by God is what has been misleading scientists since they discovered dating and fossils. It was great since all evidence related to dating that would be found would be proof to his theory and his theory would be invincible. except that closed loop thinking is like an armchair - keeps us busy and takes us no where!


The example you give shows how self-preservation trumps reason and can be damaging. That is a clear case of how theocratic entrapment is invented, when existing dogma can no longer hold back progress of knowledge. By so doing Gosse made sure no matter what conclusion was reached, his theory had it covered. But the profit making venture has to be retained at all costs you might say. As Pope Leo might have intimated in 1514.
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